Windows XP Users May Wait Until Last Minute to Upgrade

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CaptainFabulous

Many people seem to overlook the fact that most older machines running XP can't run 7 or 8 very well, if at all. So if one has an XP machine that does everything you need it to do you have zero motivation to replace it, which is why the userbase for XP isn't shrinking. I currently have 8 Windows boxes: 2 laptops and 6 desktops. Of them two are running 7, one Vista, and the rest XP simply because it's the OS that came with them, it runs well on them, and none of them are worth spending hundreds of dollars (more than any of them are worth) to upgrade the hardware and OSs to fix what ain't broke.

Hell, the OS itself costs over $120. Who is going to spent that much to upgrade an old laptop or desktop that isn't even worth that much? No one in their right mind would do it.

If MS were smart (and they're clearly not) they would develop a stripped down version of Windows 8 that runs really well on old hardware with slow processors and 1-2 GBs of RAM (the typical Windows XP machine) and either give it away as an XP-only upgrade or sell it dirt cheap, like $20. This would alleviate the future security problems that will inevitably happen AND get all those XP users running Windows 8. I mean, they pretty much already have it, as in the version of 8 that runs on Surface Pro. Just package it up and offer it to all current XP users. Hell, they could even have it show up right in Windows Update like a service pack to make it as easy as possible. Not to mention the instant boost in market share of Windows 8 if you can convert a significant number of those XP machines.

But like I said, MS ain't too smart so I'm sure the thought never once crossed their minds. And if it did I'm sure some knucklehead executive shot it down.

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Innomasta

The surface pro runs stock 8, no changes. Do you mean RT? because that was designed from the ground up for ARM and as such would not work on PC's.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Don't be silly....

If MS gave away an XP replacement for free, then who would pay for the NSA operating costs for that new Spyware Platform?

But if "YOU" pay for the O.S., then you pay for your own enslavement....

It's Business 101

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burntham77

Is it still well-liked? Or is part of it just general business practices? At my work, we still had some XP machines up until a couple of months ago only because those machines were owned and not leased, so the company had no real obligation to replace them for the longest time. Finally, IT released some sort of online software and because it was easier to support it if everyone was on Windows 7, they replaced the XP machines.

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mitcoes

XP machines do not work well with MS WOS 8
So migration would be to GNU/linux as XUBUNTU MINT or MANJARO
Or if you CHANGE your machine to migrate the old one in order to be used would have to install any XFCE based GNU/Linux distribution.
And users, having to buy a new machine can migrate to OSX or Chrome OS being cheaper or better for long term use.

So where will this XP users migrate their actual machines?

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maxeeemum

I don't think XP is dead this April 2014. It will be the number 2 OS probably till 2016. Mainly due to foreign countries like China. I know people that are completely unaware that XP support is ending. I even have read stories that speculate Microsoft may have to continue support if it causes internet problems. Time will tell!

But M$ will support some businesses beyond April 2014 for a price. And Google will update the Chrome browser for XP till April 2015. That's so far! I'm sure others will follow like AV. You can't ignore that many users. $$$!!!

http://gcn.com/blogs/pulse/2013/09/xp-support-for-a-price.aspx

http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/16/4844466/google-continuing-chrome-updates-windows-xp-through-april-2015

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Xenux

*complete re-write*

First off what I want to know is when support does completely stop what immediate impact would that have? Somehow I doubt continuing to use XP is going to result in being infected by an upatched exploit right away from normal use but over time black hats are going to find more and more exploits unless M$ does an uncanny job of finding and patching every possible exploit before the April deadline but somehow that doesn't seem likely.

Possible solutions to keeping XP machines past end of life support.

1. If the machine capable then maybe just shopping around for a deal on windows 7 and doing a clean install would be the best bet. I've seen Home Premium go as low as around $75 dollars.
2. If the machine is too ancient and not worth upgrading then what? Stop connecting it to the internet?
3. Linux. This is the best solution for pcs too old for win7. Lubuntu 12.04 LTS (Long Term Support) or Linux Mint 13 XFCE edition would work as a great alternative to XP for everyday tasks. Supported until 2017 so that's 3 more year of support to squeeze out of an aging machine. Keep in mind though that if the machine in question is running an AMD/ATI legacy card or if it's a laptop with an AMD/ATI IGP then Flash performance is going to be abysmal. Nvidia and Intel hardware is a much much better Linux experience.

That's about all I can think of for anyone wanting to keep an old XP computer around for desktop use without turning it into a file or print server or just going Office Space on it.

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bpstone

Cinnamon shell might feel more familiar to a Windows user. AMD proprietary drivers work just fine for those who want to use their system to surf the web and create documents. Linux kernel based OSs are capable of doing a lot more than that of course. Note: Older computer systems should be backed up more often due to an increased risk of abrupt failure however.

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Xenux

I never throw old computers away as I like to tinker on them with different Linux distros for different reasons so I've noticed that Cinnamon doesn't run that smooth on ancient pcs so that's why I usually recommend Lubuntu 12.04 LTS/Linux Mint 13 XFCE. As far as familiarity goes you can't get any more familiar than Zorin OS.

http://zorin-os.com/index.html

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TheMissingPiece

About f*cking time. Seriously. Windows XP was good from 2002-on, but that's long enough. The machines at my school all run XP, and still insist on running it, despite how dated it is. Sure, it works. But isn't it about time that we get something that works better?

And of course, all the Macs at my school are top of the line... (and the older Macs that are only a few years old? Yeah, they run worse than the XP machines from 2005...)

Gah, I just don't understand.

Hopefully this lack of support will coerce my school's administrators to change...but they'll probably just replace them with iMacs.

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hornfire3

Wow... my high school was almost in the same situation as yours back in 2011, except we don't turn to Macs. Back then all our computers run XP, until in 2012 our district had [critically] enough money-funding to get 2/3 of our PCs to 7 (1/3 still hold back to XP due to limited/weak hardware). Now it's near start of 2014 we would've replaced every single outdated desktop (about as old as 2004 or so) in our school (except for the new Ivy-based PC), but for some stupid reasons someone in the administration decided to spend all the remaining savings on Chromebooks, which I loathe. Now the hardcore-PC-enthusiasts at our school will have to wait for several years to get the desktop replaced. Oh wait, our IT guy is a Windows 8 hater, so our future desktops might be Linux or unsupported Windows 7, if M$ is just going to continue with this Metro BS. I don't hate Win8, just metro ui.

I too personally agree that XP is becoming outdated as sh!t, regardless of how Bullwinkle would object.

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Engelsstaub

XP will live on for me for a long time in VMs. Who cares if it's not secure? I can reinstall a preconfigured VM in minutes or roll it back to an earlier snapshot.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

But XP "IS" secure with driveshield, a basic antivirus and a good firewall

I still have NO M.S. critical updates and only service pack 2 with "THIS" XP Box and have never had any virus or malware wreck it

I "DO" own a legit copy of XP and updated it to SP3 with all the critical updates this weekend and then made a backup just in case I ever do have a malware problem that cannot be fixed on this machine, but I do not foresee ANY malware that can wreck this machine after April 2014, including CryptoLocker or anything like it

I also have Win2Go for Windows 8 and 8.1 to fix any problem that may arise, but after "YEARS" of testing, I still cannot wreck the unpatched XP Box I already have even after years of searching for a malware program to do just that at every malware site on the planet

Backups of Windows2Go were made on day 1 of the 90 day trial and will remain good for 90 days after I restore them even up to year 2099 as long as I use them offline to fix other systems

VM's are worthless to me because I refuse to run a non-spyware platform from within a spyware platform

I can block ALL Microsoft component from accessing the net in XP but not in Windows 7 or 8

Can YOU?

You would learn more about malware in the next 10 days than the so-called security experts taught you in the past 10 years by trying what I have done to the machine I am on right now

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Engelsstaub

I actually wouldn't mind trying it on a different computer. (Since I sold my last Windows PC I'm still getting around to building a gaming rig. Just not high on my list of priorities at the mo.) My primary is a Macintosh. I'm pretty invested software-wise and have no intentions of using any Windows as a "primary" OS again.

Honestly if I had serious concerns about the gov't spying on me I don't think XP would be my first choice. I'd go with Fedora or something completely FOSS. IDK. This doesn't mean I think your approach is "incorrect." You obviously seem to know what you're doing and what's right for you.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

If I had serious concerns about the Gov't spying on me, I don't think XP would be my 1st choice either

I might use a Live Linux ISO on a thumbdrive so it remains read-only and boot it with unetbootin
That way you only need to remember your Internet access passwords and since it's read only, there is nothing to hide so it never needs to be encrypted
Encrypted Systems look suspicious to the mighty morphing power mongers

But most likely I would use the secret sauce I have never discussed here at this site........ because It's Classified!
National Security & Crap like that
You understand!

Nothing to see here folks
Just another red flag
Move along

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The Mac

hey, stop enabling the nut job.

lol

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hornfire3

i can't imagine how Bullwinkle will respond to this.

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bpstone

Thankfully no. Arch Linux (Desktop), Windows 7 (Workstation/Desktop/Notebook), Slackware Linux (NAS) and CentOS (Web Server).

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Renegade Knight

Funny you should ask. I put Linux on my one XP machine. Then took the other and put Windows 98 on it.

XP has nothing on 7. Anything that I needed that ran in XP also runs in 7. However some things (a few legacy games I need to get around too playing) only run on 95/98.

That said. Waiting until you actually need to upgrade is always a wise idea. There is no need to rush out and buy the latest OS when the last one still runs the programs you are using.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Many hardware vendors won't provide drivers for newer versions of Windows, so those XP boxes remain an integral component of larger business systems. Many folks have printers and scanners that aren't supported under Windows 7 and beyond.

Don't understand why some girls around here have to be so bitchy about it.

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lordfirefox

Some games are coming out 64-bit only and minimum 6GB of RAM, Have fun XP users. Oh and they require DX11 so don't think you can get away with just XP 64-bit. You're being left behind.

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Scatter

And a lot of older games won't work at all on windows 8 or 64 bit operating systems. So what was your point?

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Do they have a pill you can take for that?

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Arnulf

"Are you still rocking any Windows XP-based machines? If so, do you plan to upgrade by April 2014?"

Indeed I do and no I don't. I bought a Win7 x64 Pro "just in case" if Mayan calendar runs out of days or something but I don't see me installing it anytime soon.

M$ is downright stupid - if they took their time and built a new kernel + supporting libraries as WinXP "SP4" (they had to do this anyway for Vista, 7 and 8, except that they were fiddling with the display interface along with these updates; something that nobody asked for) they could easily charge double of what they did for Win8 Upgrade (which was $40 I believe) for such a release and corporate clients would be *DELIGHTED* to pay to have their systems running for another 6 years with up-to-date support.

Instead, businesses are delaying the move [to Win7, of course] until the very last moment and are contemplating alternatives where possible as well.

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Jeffredo

I had one XP machine at home up until August. Caught an OEM copy of Win 7 on sale for $79 and finally bit the bullet for it. I prefer Win 7 - its on my main gaming PC, but the XP machine was very serviceable and had several very old PC games on it that will not run on 7 or 8. I do have a very poor sister who uses an XP rig. I built the old Athlon X2 5200+ machine for her back in 2009 from old parts and she simply can't afford $100 or more for Windows 7 or 8. That would force a decision as to whether to pay a utility bill, buy groceries or buy something she really doesn't want or need (like a new OS). Her XP PC does exactly what she needs it to do. I'm going to do some investing of Linux for her before the deadline next spring.

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MarioJP

LOL@XPusers

Macs don't suffer from legacy syndrome. I am just shocked. I wonder what else in their lives that seems perfectly normal to them but to the world they're outdated lol.

Now don't bring corporate into this as this is an exception and completely understand, especially when it cost to upgrade. But home users and the majority?? Man LOL@XPusers.

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Arnulf

LOL, a Macturd ... Is it $30 or $40 for every service pack (= once a year) ?

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Peanut Fox

Apple's software is free. They no longer charge for the OS.

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The Mac

i can guarantee you 90% of those xp users are corportate.

the other 10% are grandma who doesnt give a damn.

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Zstreek

There may be a lot of corporate users but that isn't a bad thing, it meant that the OS works well and is useful. And to your 2nd point. I am 30 and I run XP on an old machine. My primary computer is on 7 but the XP computer is in another part of the house and is still quite useful. Unless someone is a power user, and very few users are, XP will do most of what you want to do and do it well.

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The Mac

then you count as grandma. mail, web, and dont give a damn.

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PCLinuxguy

We migrated all of our users to Debian Linux and upgraded the server backend from hosting XP-based VDIs to Windows 7 based VDIs. Just got an NVIDIA GRID unit too, though those are only for one of the departments that need the extra graphical horsepower.

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Budman_NC

They will have to pry XP out of my blood-stained dead clenched fist.

Really though, I wonder what will happen...will people continue to use it as it becomes more and more susceptible to online criminals by the ending of security updates; thereby, providing easy access to otherwise secure networks? This has to be more serious than it seems.

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iheartpcs

It's so sad that MS doesn't care about their clients and users.

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Granite

You're right. MS doesn't care about anyone but themselves. Heck, they showed us that when they ended support for DOS.

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Baer

We have no more Xp machines but while we have some tablets and notebooks with Win 8 (8.1) we have no plan to frustrate everyone who use Desktop workstations with the Win 8 touch centric U I. Don't get me wrong, Win 8.1 runs well and fast but then, Win 7 (as did Xp in its day) runs very well and is intuitive. We will look at it again when Win 9 comes out.

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Ghost XFX

When you think about it, it's really not hard to understand why. After the whole ME release, once XP came out, it simply worked. It was sort of a precursor to W7. It simply worked and it made sense. When I had XP installed, I never did have a problem with it. It was a very sound OS and it was stable.

When Vista came out, those that bought Vista early on, went back to XP. And those that heard the horror stories with Vista, stayed put with XP. And even with Vista having been fixed, there were users that felt much like many do today about W7 and W8 right now, why replace what's not broken? They had a perfectly good OS that didn't need a huge amount of RAM to stay viable. Eventually, it became more cost effective to keep it.

Whether MS expects it to be replaced or not, I think W7 will become the next XP. I don't see in any case where W8 overcomes all of the OS'es before it. And with the rumors of an OS being controlled by Cloud, many of us have mis-givens about having an OS that can be tampered with from a hacker or NSA. I want my OS on my PC, not someplace that can be controlled from elsewhere, without my consent.

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The Mac

also, there are many in the corporate world who cannot upgrade from xp due to the missing 16bit/windows2000/NTLM compatible environment.

I have a number of dos programs we require to run with network access, that cannot be run in 7/8

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dbqfan

I have one system that runs XP and one that runs Win 7. I will switch the XP system to Win 7 soon. I have no plans to ever switch to Win 8. I do not need a tablet like OS as my operating system. When Microsoft ends support for Win 7 I will switch to Linux. The interface for Win8, in my opinion, is terrible.

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FireGarden

Some of our computers are still XP at work. Mine was up until last Friday when I was migrated to the new server and given a new machine with windows 7 on. XP was perfectly fine, but 7 is better! :)

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legionera

No