Windows XP Market Share Outnumbers Windows 8/8.1 and Vista Combined

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edchombeau

I will buy a new PC with W8.1 if I have to; but would like to wait for W9. I've set my Ultrabook with W8.1 for Desktop Mode; and that's fine. HP sells new PC's with W7; but if my 3 yr old Desktop breaks; would probably get an HP Elite with Haswell graphics, and for sure an SSD, and set it for desktop mode. Retired travelers still like mouses.

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Benjo

The in-laws' laptop still runs Vista Business that originally came with it. It does everything they need it to do. Too much of a pain to reconfigure and restore all the data on it but we have a Windows 7 disc ready for the day it ever needs a clean install.

I have a couple of older $5 laptops running XP. Planning on loading Debian GNU/Linux on it when the hard drive crashes or XP crashes.

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PCWolf

I tried to upgrade my friends PC from XP to Windows 7 (No, he did not want Windows 8). It was a PC with a 4CoreDual-SATA2 r2 Motherboard and Core 2 Duo 2.15GHz CPU. After installing Windows 7 64bit, It was clear that something was wrong. After extensive troubleshooting, I noticed that when ever anything was plugged into the USB port, or there was a file transfer in progress, the system would randomly hard lock. Would also hard lock if you left it alone for 20+ minutes. I tried installing the VIA vista 64bit drivers to see if anything changed. It helped a little bit, but it would still hard lock during file transfers. I realized that without proper working drivers, the Upgrade would have to be aborted, & I was forced to re-install XP. After that, everything worked fine once again.

You see Paul, some computers will never be anything more than XP machines because a lot of times, the lack of updated working drivers means older hardware will sometimes not work or work wrong. Especially if you have FAIL chipsets from VIA and Nvidia, or Fail Sound cards from Creative. No working Drivers means no moving forward unless you replace those parts. And a lot of people don't want to pony up $400+ for a massive hardware Upgrade.

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MrHasselblad

Where did the four hundred dollar perceived upgrade come from?

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Ghost XFX

The "z0mbi OS"

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Volleynova

Even though I first started running XP at the beginning of October 2001, I actually went back to 98, Me, and even the paltry 2000 a few times until I settled with Windows XP in late 2002 and early 2003. It took a lot of driver releases and software compatibility for it to be a rock solid operating system.

Since Vista's release candidate I have jumped onto the latest Microsoft OS and stayed with it since, I feel it is important to get used to the new stuff before the rest of the population does, it helps.

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D00dlavy

Two opinions on display here:

1) It sucks to read about that much legacy software in the wild, unsupported and potentially unsecured.

2) If something works for a customer, why should they “fix” it? When a user who is perfectly happy with XP is managing to use it uneventfully, how can you look them in the eye and tell them to spend money on a new OS?

Both are valid concerns. I do wish users were more compelled to stay current, but that's not always practical, is it?

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PCWolf

For some, it's simply that they can't afford it. It's not just an OS upgrade, sometimes, the whole computer has to be thrown out & replaced with a new one. Very hard to tell someone to throw out a working computer because
"Oh The Viruses!!" while telling them that the new OS's have the same issues.

Would people stop driving a 10+ yr old car that was working great because the Car Maker wanted them to Upgrade to a newer model because the older car was less safer than the newer current models? I bet most people won't. If they tried that, there would be riots in the streets!

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btdog

Oh goodie! Another article where the 12 percenters can pontificate, whine and moan about how the rest are all wrong.

In regards to the security, I'm not buying into all the hysteria. Yes, there may be some additional concerns but these computers were either 1) secure or 2) insecure well before the April deadline. It's not like April hit and everybody running XP suddenly uninstalled AV, pitched their firewalls and began surfing nefarious sites. If the computers are insecure, then the security threat existed long ago.

Looking at Net App (since they readily provide historical data), it looks like Win 8 peaked at 8% and has since dropped to around 6%. This tells me that part of 8's users migrated to Win 8.1 and the rest of 8.1's share is from upgrades or new computers. I'm willing to bet most of these are residential and not businesses. On the other hand, the 5% jump in Win 7 over the last year is most likely businesses converting from XP to Win 7. I expect that number will continue to rise in the coming months as IT departments overwhelmed with the transition continue to migrate work computers to Win 7.

I have to admit, I thought Win 7 would have jumped more. Interesting.

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drevas

Win7 availability is tightening. MS is trying to dry up the retail distribution channel, unless you are savvy enough to go online and buy an OEM copy or purchase a machine with Win7 already installed you probably aren't going to get Win7. I'm guessing that is why you didn't see a jump.

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bpstone

Some companies are like sloths when there is change involved.

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PCWolf

Corporations are into saving money & making profits, Upgrading means increased costs & they don't want that. I know Hospitals still running XP SP1. Too cheap to upgrade because that would mean throwing out all those old single core XP machines. Microsoft needs to make a Windows 8 ATM Edition that can run on all those ATM's and Hospital computers running on XP hardware.

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bpstone

Whether or not companies using XP decide to upgrade is their decision. There are several who intend to upgrade or are looking at other options besides Windows. Linux distros have continued to grow in popularity on desktops. They already dominate so many other areas.

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Blues22475

"Too cheap to upgrade because that would mean throwing out all those old single core XP machines."

Which they will have to upgrade anyway if said machine's mobo/processor up and dies. Ever tried to find parts for a 20 year old machine? Hong Kong anyone?

On top of that, what if they can't get a copy of their OS? They have no In-House tech team with images they can use? What if the company doesn't have the image and says "Oh you gotta upgrade your system and software! We don't care!"?

Doesn't matter to MS though. They want your money.

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vgrig

That should shut Ed Bott up for a bit. :-)

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hornfire3

what about W7?

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Paul_Lilly

Windows 7 is king of the hill (in terms of market share) -- 49.27 percent according to Net Applications, and 51.86 percent according to Stat Counter.

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beatyas

Paul,

"Lies, damn lies, and statistics."

XP is amazingly entrenched in healthcare, where I work, multi-site, muliti-hospital, multi-IDN. Machines without Internet access, so these ratings companies have no clue about them. They remain solid, installed, used, unchanged in a corporate environment that allocates money elsewhere to make a change happen to their equipment, so XP/32 will stay right where it is.

Think FORTUNE-20-COMPANIES that are still making PC images for their equipment (radiology/endoscopy/neurology/etc). Windows XP 32-bit is still being actively deployed on NEW equipment. It is alive and well. I really need not say anything more.

MPC is NOT a fortune 20 organization, although medical has several. Just putting it in perspective for a web journalist.

XP is NOT going away any time soon. M$ is being paid by these companies for POST-APRIL-8 support. It is real, despite whatever marketing propaganda you are reading.

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PCWolf

I have also seen this. Hospital where I work are still using XP machines. Whats scary is, they are mostly all still using SP1.

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severnia

Its not just medical, industrial environments are at a point where they are UPGRADEING to XP right now... Im installing 2 new industrial automation systems in a few weeks that cost millions of dollars each that are based on a realtime soft controller running on windows XP. it will never see the internet and will never be included in these statistics the same as your medical gear.

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drevas

We had a Grocer near us do a remodel and install 4 new self-checkout machines. I saw one of them reboot, and sure as Hell it was running XP. Those thing have to be connected in some fashion to validate your Bank Card, so I'm not using them until I learn more.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Yes,
Government propaganda makes all the NSA spyware systems the most popular

But Yumi 2.0 makes your Linux system much more secure than Windows Spyware 7

Wouldn't you rather have security than the most popular spyware?

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MaximumMike

Not really. I just recently installed Klez on my machine. I have a fun variant that makes the desktop icons run away from the mouse. Computers are much more fun when they're riddled with malware and spyware.

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MaximumMike

double post

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Solarscreen

Who cares if a bunch of users don't want to update.

Same thing happened when XP first came out and a bunch of people declared they were not upgrading from 98 and ME.

There's way too much noise about nothing.

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AFDozerman

You should care. Half of all PCs being vulnerable, unsupported machines is a bad thing in a lot of different ways. Just think about what happens when your favorite website gets DDOSed by a botnet and you'll understand.

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Paul_Lilly

I disagree that it's "noise about nothing." That might be the case if Windows XP held a small share of the market, but it doesn't, and that has all kinds of ramifications. One is security -- that's a lot of unsecured PCs in the wild for hackers, spammers, and malware writers to take advantage of, and that affects us all. There's also the indirect impact on the PC industry in terms of lost sales, which really started when Vista limped out the gate.

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Scatter

I find it hard to feel bad for the PC industry whining about lost sales. If a product still suits a users need then they should't be strong armed into replacing it anyway just to support large corporations.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

If security was your top concern, you should try YUMI 2.0 with any Linux OS

Or YUMI with TAILS 1.0 if you are REALLY paranoid!

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Jeffredo

"Points and laughs at MS"

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Updates are back for XP and I doubt this is the last one >

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2150248/microsoft-backs-down-will-fix-internet-explorer-vulnerability-even-on-windows-xp.html

I was expecting Max PC to cover TAILS 1.0 today or at least cover the XP update news

How about Yumi 2.0?
http://www.techspot.com/guides/809-run-linux-from-usb-drive/

I already have Yumi 2.0 booting Tails 1.0, Mint 16 and the newest Zorin OS from the same thumbdrive

Anyone wanting to avoid the spyware in Windows 7 or 8 and the problems with running XP securely should try YUMI

It basically runs a Linux Live ISO from a thumbdrive SECURELY in read only mode by setting aside a small portion of the thumbdrive for session changes

No changes are made to the OS itself as the changes are made outside the OS in a reserved portion of the Flash

THAT should be the news for today!

Reporting that XP is more popular than Vista AND Windows 8, 8.1 is not even news

We already knew that or "should" have known it

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steven4570

There is no "spyware" in Windows 7 or 8.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Hahahahahhahahhahhahaha

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steven4570

well, its true...there isn't

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Bullwinkle J Moose

It was funnier the 1st time

Tell me another unprovable factoid but try something new

I've already heard about the alien abductions and that little monster hanging around Taco-Bell
The ChalupaCabra!

You people never have facts to back up your nonsense
You enjoy being Trolls
If you con-artists had to survive on provable facts, you'd starve to death

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steven4570

and you don't bring facts either...

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Paul_Lilly

Given the timing and severity of the IE vulnerability, I wouldn't read too much into Microsoft patching it for XP as well. I can't say this will be the last time Microsoft does something like this for XP, but I certainly think it's a limited time exeption.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

So Paul......

Waddaya think about Yumi 2.0?

Or Tails 1.0?

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AFDozerman

J... just... wow...