Windows 9 and Windows 10 Rumors Already Making the Rounds

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LesserAnimal

wah wah windows 8 is a different colored turd than the last piece of shit m$ put out i'm going to complain on the internets until they decide to apparently resurrect everything bad about the last turd and merge it with the worst part of this turd.

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tarheelunc458

noo they dont need to bring back aero i believe that was the cause of the memory hog well one of the main causes. if anything bring back the 3D flip

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sartinski

Anyone who thinks the direction of future Microsoft OS's is a good idea is not an enthusiast.

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Mark White

I'm looking forward to 9 and Aero.
I'm that weird guy that likes windows 8, didn't mind the start screen... but just couldn't go back to the flat non-glassy XP look. LOL

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BINARYGOD

LOL @ all the assumptions regarding "Cloud OS" and everyone assuming it will automatically be whatever worst thing they can come up with.

I mean, some of the assumptions are totally moronic...

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

This guy actually joined just to post that insult?

That's sad.

Very sad.

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Paper Jam

...totally moronic...

Like coming to the comments section of a tech blog and calling people with differing opinions stupid. If I hate Windows 8 and don't want a Cloud OS, these are my choices. What is moronic is how butt hurt you seem to be over other people's opinions. Grow up.

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DeltaFIVEengineer

No offense but I think that's the status quo of a tech blog. God forbid you mention Apple "crApple" or the like. Very few people are truly tolerant of other people's opinions. If they were, there would probably be far less war and hatred on this planet.

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maxeeemum

Yep! Just look at the new user name he just signed up under! New user "BINARYGOD"! Is Ballmer posting comments? Anyone using "God" in their user name just sends signals of a dysfunctional problem. Like I'm always right! You just can't make this stuff up!

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Scatter

The cloud huh?

As in, if Microsoft servers have a temporary meltdown like Hotmail (er, Outlook.com) occasionally does I won't be able to boot my PC?

No thank you.

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maxeeemum

Looks like someone in Russia is taking advantage of the Microsoft meltdown and just stirring the pot.

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whitneymr

This guy or guys has a long record of being spot on or damn close. Don't discount what he says. There's be a few times I think he's told the truth and MS has changed track just to discredit him.

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DR_JDUBZ

Fuck microsoft, a cloud OS would require internet connection, and ms office has allways been a waste of money. Libre office is way better- its free and has most if not all feature of ms office. Ubuntu is also seeing increased application developement so by the time I build my next computer it will be running Ubuntu

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Hilarity

Good. About time Windows was an annual price like Office 365 that is constantly updated as long as you subscribe. The whole local update every once in a while is a pain in the ass. Just imagine, $100 a year for Office + Windows on 3 PC's each? SOLD

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whitneymr

So you going after Bass or Northern Pike with that trolling rig?

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maxeeemum

LOL! What a great comment! I'll have to put that in my arsenal!

I wasn't going to say anything but I love it coming from a 7 year member!

Microsoft employee??? No doubt!

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Ghost XFX

I didn't even trust Cloud when it was introduced. I sure as hell don't trust my OS being ran from it! Especially goes double, since the NSA fiasco. They can take W8 And any dreams of a Cloud OS, and shove it up their sour candy asses!

Rumor or not...!!!

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

The plan to force us to rent our own computers remains?

On paper, this appears a more reliable revenue stream for Microsoft than the tradition sales model of its operating system and business software, which has always followed a boom and bust cycle.

Shortcomings in the traditional model stem not from some inherent flaw in business practices easily traced back to the dawn of civilization, but instead spring from Microsoft's frequent and deep misunderstanding of its customer base.

"We're Microsoft. They'll buy anything we produce" thinking has evolved from an irrational competition with Apple. The desperate need to emulate Apple business practices has Microsoft casually disregarding customer input under the guise of "innovation." Only innovation is innovation. Disrespecting customers is suicide.

The bust periods owe more to mismanagement and micromanagement than technical ineptitude. Clearly, when sales people design products, things go south rather quickly: Windows ME, Windows Vista, Windows 8, Windows 8.1. Oh, let's not forget that ribbon....

Microsoft trips itself up like clockwork, and the solution becomes to force customers into a walled garden wherein they will pay a monthly rent to use their computers? No longer will Microsoft rely on producing quality products to secure revenue. Instead, they will demand tribute and cut off anyone who cannot pay from engaging in the modern digital society.

I hope this blows up in their face and pushes consumer computing to open source solutions. Microsoft as planetary monthly utility bill must not come to pass.

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LesserAnimal

Anyone who's fixed a significant number of computers.(by that I mean several thousand) will be able to tell you that vista is still the biggest turd in the punch bowl in the post xp era. It was a veritable step backwards trying to make the step forward that was 7. 8 was more a sideways step with .1 being a half step forward and hopefully 9 seeing the vision completed. The problem is in trying to not replicate their past mistakes they settled for getting their next gen in place with out breaking everything with little time spent thinking about how they would need to adjust around it to create a seamless experience. Wasnt enough time to do it all and not have it come out a buggy vista like mess. From here though now that they have a face for every device they can work towards more device specific customization with out breaking the uniformity that makes it a "windows" device. This is starting with 8.1 but the .1 is a pretty clear indicator that its there to fix the more obvious oversights that made operation ungangly. In a long hault towards building something that spans all smart devices with out sacrificing for any one device. I think pissing off desktop fans was they only way to not go down with the desktop ship. Even if they don't plan on abandoning that ship till much much later.

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BINARYGOD

Apparently you and a bunch of other people do not get it, and your post, and many others, are the proof.

It is amazing what people will assume when they hear "cloud os" - apparently stupidity knows no bounds!

You would not rent your computer or the os, you pay a sub for the OS, if you stop paying, you simply stop getting updates beyond the security based ones. OH NOES!!!

PS - Keep dreaming re open source - you can proclaim any year to be the year os Linux, and it is never going to happen. Sorry, Android doesn't count!

OTOH - the part about a salesman managing the company, that was probably the only true thing you said, but you could have ripped that idea form just about nay tech blog - try to stay original, why don't ya?

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

How much does Microsoft pay trolls?

Seriously, joining just to post a few insults? Who do you think you're fooling?

You've only managed to support my observations regarding the way Microsoft disregards and disrespects its customer base.

But do keep it up. I love watching your profits drop.

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iheartpcs

Very well said!

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BINARYGOD

no, it was not, it was a bunch of whining and trolling.

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maxeeemum

Agreed!

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BINARYGOD

wow, two idiots in a row!

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limitbreaker

You're the idiot binaryboy

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maxeeemum

Agreed!

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davelray

Yeah having my operating system "in the cloud" isn't going to happen. Also, there's far too many people that don't have or use a dedicated internet access for that to be feasible. Heck I've got family in Texas that have to use the hot spot feature on their cell phone when they want to get on the net because they can't get anything better than dialup so far out in the country. Now I could see them having that as an option like they have with Office 365's subscription model. Seems like a slow trend to hop on the subscription based, software as a service model. Adobe's already hopped on that train.

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steven4570

Windows 8 with start is back is pretty awesome, just fix the start menu issue and we're good MS...were all good

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fung0

If all the worthwhile features of Windows 8 - and none of the anti-features - were offered as a free Windows 7.1 update, I still wouldn't call it "awesome." I'd say: "Oh, cool, a slightly nicer File Copy dialog." And think seriously about whether it was worth the download.

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warptek2010

If true... (which I doubt) then that would be the death knell of Microsoft. Surely they must know that (that's why the doubt), then again with that looney Ballmer at the helm you never know.

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hornfire3

WHAT?? WINDOWS 9 AND 10 ARE BECOMING CLOUD OS????? OMG SRSLY i dont have a problem with win8 or previous OS but going completely in a cloud OS path.... M$ YOU'RE GOING TOO FAR THIS TIME!!!!!!! STOP IT!!!!!!! leave my PC data/information alone!!!

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techjuan

I wonder:
1) Why care so much as to pay attention to posts about Windows?
2) If they favor Linux over Windows, why dual boot with Windows?
3) If Mac is superior, why buy a Windows PC, make sour comments about Windows8 and not have a Mac?

My translation of their comments:
1) They cared, liked Windows8 but can't adapt to change.
2) Windows is easier to use and some apps are Windows only.
3) Windows PC is cheaper, they can't adapt to change, blame Windows8 to hide that they are stupid, and can't afford Macs.

Stop pretending people.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

The "You're my bitch" argument isn't going to help you make friends.

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davelray

If anyone is coming here to "make friends" they are in trouble already regardless.

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wolfing

I think I'll be using Windows 7 forever, or until games require more than 16 GB RAM.

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Vano

or directx 12

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Jox

Vano - "or directx 12"

Here's an interesting, if somewhat dated, article espousing the virtues of OpenGL over DirectX. It's a position I've shared since the days of Unreal, circa 1998. Back then, Unreal performed extremely poorly in DirectX but smooth as silk in OpenGL. Fast-forward 15 years and games run just fine in DirectX, but they still run better in OpenGL and OpenGL provides broader support for different/older operating systems (something Microsoft loathes). Essentially, DirectX exists to do just 2 things: funnel users to a Microsoft OS and encourage existing users of Microsoft OS's to upgrade to a newer Microsoft OS.

http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-and-not-DirectX

Read the article; draw your own conclusions.

-Jox

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fung0

When DirectX first gained popularity, OpenGL was not a good option. It was never intended for realtime graphics, especially not gaming. It was not well supported on Windows. And it did not include all the stuff that DirectX had, beyond just Direct3D. DirectX was Microsoft's greatest creation... a way of giving games fast, standardized access to hardware within its general-purpose OS. And, back then, Microsoft were not being total dicks, so there was no pressing need to avoid DirectX.

Since that time, the gap has continually narrowed. I'm sure OpenGL and Direct3D are (roughly) comparable today, although I'm not hearing that OpenGL has duplicated the rest of DirectX. On the other hand, Microsoft seems bent on abandoning DirectX. Promised features never arrived, and use of DirectInput for gamepads has seemingly been abandoned, to the point that only Microsoft's own gamepad is really viable today.

Longer-term, I'm sure OpenGL will win, partly because Microsoft is determined to lose, and partly because open is just fundamentally better. But I can't see that we're there yet.

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Jox

"When DirectX first gained popularity, OpenGL was not a good option"

This is patently false. When DirectX was first gaining "popularity", it was incapable of rendering high-resolution 3D graphics as fast as OpenGL. Look at Unreal (circa 1997). It was unplayable in DirectX, but ran quite smoothly in OpenGL.

"It was not well supported on Windows."

This was by design, as Microsoft was trying to kill OpenGL as a competitor. Microsoft had it's own OpenGL driver that was widely derided as barely functional.

"And it did not include all the stuff that DirectX had"

OpenGL had and continues to have a more robust feature set than DirectX. DirectX games have to wait until Microsoft adds features to the library. OpenGl is open-source, meaning that anyone can add features and no-one has to wait for Microsoft to get off its ass.

"DirectX was Microsoft's greatest creation... a way of giving games fast, standardized access to hardware within its general-purpose OS. And, back then, Microsoft were not being total dicks, so there was no pressing need to avoid DirectX."

DirectX has never been about anything but convincing people to use and upgrade Microsoft operating systems. It was largely unusable until version 7 and continues to be the ne'er do well cousin to OpenGL when used in software that is OpenGL-coded by people who know what they're doing (i.e. John Carmack). Microsoft is being a total dick and companies like Valve and Id Software (which always embraced OpenGL) are promoting OpenGL like never before.

"Since that time, the gap has continually narrowed. I'm sure OpenGL and Direct3D are (roughly) comparable today, although I'm not hearing that OpenGL has duplicated the rest of DirectX"

OpenGL and DirectX ARE roughly comparable, but it's OpenGL that leads the way, not DirectX:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/133824-valve-opengl-is-faster-than-directx-even-on-windows

DirectX was only ever about controlling the market. OpenGL was only ever about rendering 3D graphics as efficiently as possible.

DirectX is the reason newer games won't run in Windows XP, or on a Mac or in Linux. OpenGl works in all of these environments with only minor code tweaks so the software will run in a different kernel. DirectX is about selling Xbox consoles. DirectX is about selling new operating systems. DirectX is about control, and it needs to die.

-Jox

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Jox

Windows 7 Professional 64-bit supports up to 192 GB of RAM.

-Jox

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aaronj2906

I totally agree. First time I saw Windows8, I winced. As an MCP, I actually felt ashamed of the Microsoft certifications I had paid/earned.

Sticking with Win7 here. But hey, I'm just one person, so, meh...

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BINARYGOD

what a very odd reaction - you must work with very immature people, or stupid people (considering your certs have nothing to do with the OS that makes you oh so embarrassed - grow up!)

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yammerpickle2

While I can see some minor advantages in convenience for having your computer everywhere. I do not want the major liabilities of monthly fees, operational unavailability, and serious security risk for that minor convenience.
It reminds me of drug ads. For a monthly fee we can relieve your minor rash. Side effects include uncontrolled explosive bowl movements, serious infection, cancer, death, etc.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

9 and 10 will both be virtual machines running off of my Linux Thumbdrive...

...just like every other OS that came before them

or they won't run at all

Muahahahahahahahahahhaha

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Baer

Cloud OS? Like the P O S Chromebook? Any guarantee that I will have net connection 24 7 ? Their servers will NEVER be hacked?? Guaranteed 100% not 99.999%??
Just because you can do something does not mean that many of us want to do it. If that were confirmed many of us would rethink our commitment to Windows.

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PCWolf

Dear Microsoft, I will NEVER buy a Cloud OS!! NEVER!!! You can take that future cloud OS & stick it where the sun does not shine! I'm dam sick & tired of Monthly fees & I don't need to add anymore Monthly fees to my already bloated Nickle & Dime list of monthly fees I have to pay each month!

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Renegade Knight

It's worse than that. If it's a cloud OS there is nothing to buy. Only rent.

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firefox91

Ok rumors, I got that. But just in case Microsoft is listening... cloud OS really bad idea. Not everyone is willing to just put their data out there for the taking no matter what kind of security you claim to have.

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methuselah

Take off the tin foil hats boys.

Let's wait until things get closer to "official" before you start claiming alien abductions complete w/ anal probes.