Windows 8 Market Share Stands Pat as Windows 7 Gains Ground

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WarpathPS

Get with the times nitwits. Windows 8.1 driver support alone is worth getting. Not to mention it is optimized for touch screen and when you are on the desktop it is virtually identical to windows 7. Windows 7 makes zero sense at this point unless you already own it.

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Hey.That_Dude

Last time I tried to load Win8.1 on a laptop (which was made for win8 and should have been upgradable), the driver support is what forced me back to 7. While I'm sure that it's all been fixed, I don't have a reason to move back to Win8.1, now. There is no incentive, especially without another service pack on the way to extended support. When Win9 comes out, I'll take a year to let them get all the diver issues/ bugs flattened out and then consider a move (since there'll only be a year or two more support for 7 left).

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maxeeemum

LOL! Have you used Windows 8?

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philipa25

Just upgraded my computer at work and decided to go with Windows 8.1 I'm now kicking myself for waiting so long. I thought windows 8 was fine on tablets, but 8.1 is just awesome. So fast and love all the links present right clicking on the windows button. Now thinking of reformatting my home computer to 8.1

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Your commission is based on how many of these you write?

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WarpathPS

Actually use it, then comment, trust me it helps make you a more credible person.

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philipa25

Right because I actually have the intelligence to think for myself. Wait, intelligence isn't too big of a word for you, right? Just spell it out

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hornfire3

every haters out there who feel there is no hope with M$, don't want to waste on a Mac, and decided their next OS is Linux, should just get Zorin OS. the Look Changer can bring a windows 7 look onto your PC, or hell if you love Apple products then it can also turn into a Mac.

Since the damn thing is Linux-based, expect free.

zorin-os.com/

they are at version 9 now. go ahead and try it now.

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WarpathPS

Linux distros are buggy and have no software to choose from. Linux distros main strengths were the fact they were free, could be booted from a USB, and their impressive driver support. Windows 8.1 driver support, peformance, stability, and touch screen optimization just slaps around all previous OS's. Microsoft has a done a bad job of marketing the OS and the only people hating on windows 8 are the ones who look at the start screen, and just start looking for a windows 7 DVD/USB. Many do not even realize that windows 8 desktop is virtually windows 7. Windows 7 is a great OS, windows 8.1 is just better.

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Chad727

"Linux distros are buggy and have no software to choose from." Really? Hmmm... I guess those 45317 packages in the software manager that I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW on Linux Mint 17 (Mate) must be figments of my imagination. The thing is, Linux shines when it comes to machines that should be in a museum such as the HP dv2315nr I'm typing on right now. As far as buggy is concerned, everything but the terribad Broadcom wifi adapter has been plug 'n' play. And if my own ignorance prevented something from working I could get back on track from the wealth of users on the distro's forum that are always willing to help. Right now my resource monitor is showing 56% cpu usage (AMD Turion 800MHz x 2) and 603.5 MB memory usage with Firefox, System Monitor, and Software Manager open. And disk space? I've used up 8.3 GB and I've installed dozens of programs! Windows 7 32-bit BARELY ran on this machine but it bangs along nicely on Mint 17. I'm not saying Windows sucks because the machine I use for gaming runs Win7 and I have a great time using it. I've also used a laptop running Win8 and it's been fine. What I am saying is that every OS was programmed with a certain type of users in mind and not every person use willconform to what the developers had in mind.

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JosephColt

Interesting. I like that is has the design of a Windows desktop there. I'll give it a whirl on VMware.

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blacksand

I've heard great things about Zorin. I would try it, but I already installed Linux Mint (Xfce) on my old WinXP netbook. I must say that it's running beautifully, and I'm very impressed with how fast and stable it is. With Microsoft abandoning the desktop with Win8, you should give Linux a shot. Here's a good Linux resource: distrowatch.com

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WarpathPS

They never abandoned the desktop, you obviously have never used windows 8 by such a comment. Get some experience under your belt, it makes you more credible.

Sent from Windows 8.1 desktop.

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Chad727

Troll harder.

Sent from Linux Mint (Mate) 17 running on an HP dv2315nr laptop.

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dbqfan

Zorin is not well known but I am sure that will change. I have a friend that has it installed and it is now his main OS. I have played with it on his computer and I really like it. I am considering putting a partition on my HD and installing it. I am considering dumping MS if Win9 is anything like the Win8 disaster. He can open all my MS Word and Excel files. Changes made to Word and Excel are compatible with my Office10 and Win7.

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maxeeemum

M$ made their bed and now has to lie in it!

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Hey.That_Dude

Is anyone surprised? The next OS comes out in 2015 (Whatever be it's real name [Win9]). I think we will see a spike in Win 8.1 just before it is released for all the people seeking a free upgrade to the new OS.

What happens after that is up to M$ and their new OS.

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WarpathPS

M$? I take it you don't like when companies make money. Heaven forbid a company makes money, and then hires people, and conducts research and development. We can't have that now can we. Maybe we should just create a software bureau with the govt. and while we are at it, throw in a union in there, I'm sure that will be much more efficient, govt. always is.

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Hey.That_Dude

Yet how amazing that Linux still exists in the form of a non-profit... but that aside.

Get off your high horse. My comments didn't have anything to do with governments of any kind. Your insinuation that anyone that doesn't like Microsoft making money must be communist is such a thin argument.

My reasons for M$ instead of MS:
I don't have an issue with M$ making money. I do take issue that they have a verifiable monopoly in the PC industry. That, and they maintain their profit margins by using their heavy reserves of money to extend (by litigation with and without solid legal stance) their IP portfolio. They do this NOT to the benefit of their customers, but to line their pockets and continue the cycle to make money. Yeah, I have an issue with a company when they ONLY care about profit. That mentality is the reason we even had to make laws limiting businesses, because they weren't capable of limiting themselves.

M$ isn't in the business of providing a great product; they're in the business to make money. Where as MS provided a great product that made them money because of the fact that is was a great product.

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Renegade Knight

I can feel the H8 for 8. I've ditched my Android tablets in favor of 8. I can't say upgrading my desktops to 8 was worth it but I don't regret it either. 7 is a good OS. 8 better. Next PC I build I'll put 8 on it.

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maxeeemum

LOL!

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dbqfan

Who knows what is going on at MS. Win8 was designed for tablets and phones with the desktop PC as an afterthought. I do not want a tablet interface on my PC. Now MS is trending towards monthly subscriptions to there apps such as Office etc. The Win8 interface is terrible and I will never pay by the month to use any software. Have you noticed what Amazon is doing with there new Fire phone? It only works with Amazon apps. Google apps are blocked. Amazon and MS want too much control on our machines. I think the new Fire phone will be a failure unless you want to be married to Amazon and MS is trending the same way.

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WarpathPS

Obviously you have never used the OS as the desktop is virtually identical to windows 7. Always get experience in something and then talk about it, anything else is bullshit.

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Asterixx

And yet people buy up Apple stuff with absolutely no reservations about being married to Apple. I know, I bought an iPhone 4S three years ago, my first iThing. I'm eligible for an upgrade now, but I doubt I will go with Apple again. Just waiting to see whether the iPhone 6 is anything spectacular, then I'll probably pull the trigger on a new HTC One (M8) or Galaxy S5

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maxeeemum

Apple users are just sheep! You can't compare them to PC users!

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paul_deemer

Microsoft's Woes with Windows 8 came about because they wanted to get into Mobile Market.So some Genius at Microsoft convinced them that a Mobile and Desktop all in one OS was the way to go. Now Tablet sales are stagnant.PC sales are making a bit of a comeback and the Ultra Slim Laptop sales are booming.

Microsoft can still turn it around if they just realize that Gamers and Office Workers want, need and prefer a power OS. If Microsoft wants to be on Phones and Tablets then they need to create a separate division to work on a compatible mobile version of Windows.

The one size or one OS fits everyones needs mentality will cause Windows 8 to Bomb. Go back to Windows 7 and improve it. Take the best of windows 7 and 8 and merge them together but still remain true to your base which is power users. It's really that simple.

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maxeeemum

I agree!

IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE!

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dbqfan

That is exactly the point I was trying to make. Win7 works so why change it? MS needs to make an OS for the tablet market if that is what they want to do. The tablet market is dying so why bother. I feel that a tablet is a waste of money. They are great to play with for a few weeks but then the fun dies off and you are left with an expensive toy.

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Alpha-Zulu

Well.....duh! Windows 8 is utter garbage. It's essentially a modern Windows ME.

Windows 7 is infinitely better than that god forsaken piece of "software" called Windows 8.

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WarpathPS

Yeah its so bad it has more driver support than windows 7 on its best day and any other windows OS combined. I'm not sure why so many of you, who have never used windows feel fit to comment on it.

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JosephColt

No, no it is NOT garbage. If they just put the start menu back and removed metro then no one would be complaining.

Comparing ME to 8, that's a good laugh right there.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

I disagree. There is the required Live account. Have some NSA Cloud storage crammed down your throat? Ever want to play games? And driver issues—lots of driver issues.

And on top of all these problems with Windows 8 is the overarching direction Microsoft is headed with future versions of the operating system: pay-by-month OS subscription and an app store ALL software has to go through. These problems are bigger than a crippled UI. They'd like investors and the board to think our only problem is with the UI, but that is just the tip of the iceberg, Captain Smith.

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WarpathPS

Another guy with zero experience. Required? That is interesting because I use it without an account. Actually use something and then comment.

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JosephColt

* You don't need to use a Microsoft account.

* OneDrive is optional, and offers storage as cheap as Google Drive. 1TB + Office 365 for 10 dollars a month is a good deal.

NSA? - lol, okay that isn't relevant.

* Pay by month isn't a bad thing if it's cheaper in the long run. Paying a small amount every month instead of one giant payment can be more appealing, but I am sure there will still be copies that are one time payments.

* Who cares if there is an app store, and it does not prevent you from downloading software via traditional methods. The app store is for x86 tablets such as their Surface at the moment.

The app store could be really useful in the future too if all you have to do is login and all your software downloads and syncs up without having to go to all the different websites to download things again. Think of it like Google Play, you can install .apks without app store, but it's easier and more convent to use Google Play. Similar thing has been done with gaming, and it's called Steam.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

The DEFAULT behaviors of WIndows 8 are the DEFAULT behaviors of Windows 8 because Marketing and Operations know they can trap less tech-savvy users simply by walling off alternatives.

► Bing Smart Search makes local search data available to Microsoft. Most users won't realize this, let alone figure out how to disable it.

► OneDrive integration is the DEFAULT behavior, with M$ banking on average users not realizing the privacy being sacrificed for a dubious "convenience." It cannot be uninstalled.

► Paying to use your PC is a bad thing. Period.

► Paying to access your own data unnecessarily is a bad thing.

► Giving third parties access to your data is a bad thing.

► By default, Windows Store apps collect user data.

► Long-term, the goal is that ALL software pass through the app store, no exceptions. Data aggregation, data monetization, and DRM on steroids.

► At M$, you may be trained to tell people how to think about the company's products, but some of us prefer to do our own thinking.

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WarpathPS

Your data is collected everywhere.

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JosephColt

► Bing Smart Search makes local search data available to Microsoft. Most users won't realize this, let alone figure out how to disable it.

I do agree that this it is a bit invasive.

► OneDrive integration is the DEFAULT behavior, with M$ banking on average users not realizing the privacy being sacrificed for a dubious "convenience." It cannot be uninstalled.

So what if OneDrive is on Windows 8 by default? Just because Internet Explorer is there doesn't mean people use it. OneDrive can be disabled anyway. I use OneDrive, and it is great, but I wish they would offer higher tiers like Google does.

► Paying to use your PC is a bad thing. Period.

Paying a subscription is no different than paying for the OS in one lump of cash. The only difference is you pay in cheap increments which is appealing to a good chunk of people. You pay to use your PC the second you buy a copy of Windows. There will probably be the typical buy it now for good option, and the buy in small sums every month.

► Paying to access your own data unnecessarily is a bad thing.

Paying to access your own data, no shit? You are paying for a service that stores your data and allows you to access it anywhere. Is a 200GB online backup supposed to be free? Don't like it then store your data locally only.

► Giving third parties access to your data is a bad thing.

Then don't use Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Yahoo, or any other services entirely. You're tracked everywhere you go online.

► By default, Windows Store apps collect user data.

Any how is this new? Google and Apple does the same thing on mobile devices. That will happen with any application store.

► Long-term, the goal is that ALL software pass through the app store, no exceptions. Data aggregation, data monetization, and DRM on steroids.

I can't say that won't happen for sure, and that happening is only a theory. That could be a probable future for operating systems from Apple, Microsoft, and Google. I really doubt that will as bad as you make it out to be though. I'm sure we will have the ability to continue to install from traditional sources despite the app store. Desktop PCs are going to be a niche market in the future though, but devices like the Microsoft Surface, Google Glasses, Smart watches and phones, etc will be the majority of the market.

► At M$, you may be trained to tell people how to think about the company's products, but some of us prefer to do our own thinking.

Oh yes, like Microsoft is the only company that does that. /Sarcasm
You act like all this stuff is new, but it has been happening for years. You can "think" all you want, but when every company does the same thing your "thinking" is moot.

You are just a Microsoft hater, and probably can't believe it when people say they like Windows 8. If it had that damn start menu back it would have sold really well.

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Renegade Knight

The Live account is optional.

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Asterixx

Agreed. I'm running 8.1 with Classic Shell and no Live account. Granted the "Metro" side is pretty much useless without one, but then again, the Metro side is pretty much useless anyway...

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Blues22475

"...Metro side is pretty much useless anyway..."

Which is pretty much everyone's beef with W8 (mine too on top of some other things). Had they actually not used the Metro interface and kept the OS with an option to use a Desktop Environment or Mobile Environment W8 would have been fine.

W8 runs great, but the UI and methodology are stupid. Say having to be able to troubleshoot a computer and Safe Mode be set while you are able to boot normally. If you can't boot normally you're SOL, but if you have a W8 installation disk (or recovery partition if you're lucky) not so much.

They should have taken the best bits from Windows 7, like stated, and expand upon it.

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Random

MS failed with Windows 8 and their attempt to force the Metro UI down our throats.

I see no reason to choose Windows 8 over Windows 7.

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Innomasta

I STILL get people bitching left and right about W8 at work. 2 years later. W7 has a lot of life ahead of it

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WarpathPS

I guess they never found the desktop on windows 8, in that case maybe they should never change an OS after barely learning the previous.

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Mikey109105

If MS had bothered to do the right thing with the desktop version of Windows 8 from the start instead of waiting a year, then perhaps Windows 8 would be dominating the market share right now. But oh wait that's right, MS are sometimes idiots.

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DoctorX

sometimes?

I have been having relatives and friends come out of the woodwork for me to install linux... especially linux mint 17 in the past 4 months. I have used every ms production since msdos 4... and windows 8 finally did me in. I tried to live with it.. but the final straw was 8.1 insistance on using a live account for local account. I just had my father in law bring his laptop over yesterday to put linux on it.

Personally, I have converted 4 of my windows boxes so far and just have the server that i am going to convert. No longer using mce due to constantly breaking and ms not giving a shit. Mythtv works beautifully.

The only windows i will have left in the house will be a 2007 eee netbook running my software for my car. Everything else is running either ubuntu gnome or linux mint 17 mate.

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The Mac

"No longer using mce due to constantly breaking and ms not giving a shit. Mythtv works beautifully."

not an option if you are using MOCUR.

MediaCenter is the only software that supports cablecard encryption.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

"especially linux mint 17 in the past 4 months."

You mean Linux in general in the past 4 months and Mint 17 in the past 2 months

Mint 17 released May 31st 2014

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Sometimes?

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Arnulf

LOL, so true :)