Windows 8.1 Still Not Enough to Convert Windows 7 Users

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tonyblaze

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Gamer4Life

I am a Win 8.1 Pro user and I am very dissapionted in it. Most of my games won't even start and the ones that work with compatibility mode just crash as soon as I load a save. This week I will reinstall Win 7 Ultimate and hope that the problems will be fixed sometime in the near future.

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axiomatic

There is a difference? There is no difference if you are willing to spend LITERALLY 3 minutes configuring things. Hell I spend 10 minutes or more on icon placement so I think you can spend 3 min reconfigure windows 8 / 8.1 to feel like Win 7.

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dandoz

I have been using Windows 8.1 and find it generally pretty good...

...WITH Classic Start shell. Otherwise, full-screen Metro Apps cause an instant blood-pressure spike for me. I'm only using it for Server Farm maintenance and gaming.

Anyone else notice how the "upgraded" .Net of Win8 breaks some older, useful utilities, too? From RKTools to Box Sync.

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maxeeemum

It’s starting to look like Windows 8 has reached uninformed user PC replacement and "sheep" saturation.

How you say "Big Fail!"

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OpTicaL

People who support Windows 8 are the same people who don't acknowledge a problem when there is one.

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Ghost XFX

Right now, Balmer is the Sith Lord of computing.
May power users slay his jerkness for eternity....

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misterz100

My Dad knows nothing of computers, I keep his PC up-kept and it has win 8.1, and even he noticed it crashes more than windows 7 he wants me to put it back on his PC, I'm going to wait to see if stuff gets fixed but if he keeps having issues then I swapping. Only reason I have Win 8 was from a really good deal they had to upgrade at one time and for 40$ hey why not try hehe

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edchombeau

I also got the $40 deal on-line last January. It crashed last month. fortuneatly this old HP Desktop had a Factory Restore. Since Windows wouldn't load , even to do safe mode, or Command Prompt; I had to revert back to Original Factory Installation with W7.Since Windows would not open--you can't find the Factory Restore there; You must start your puter and tap the F11 button until it appears; it gave me options to save all my files and favorites. Of course I had to update everything and install my Office, various other programs and apps. But I'm very happy now being back to W7 for my 76th Birthday.

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Ghost XFX

Don't disappoint your father....
<.<

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Shalbatana

I would check your hardware configuration and other software/drivers. I've never had win8 crash once, and 7 has only ever crashed about 3 times, and that's over 4 different computers and many years.

If it's crashing that regularly, there's something wrong there. Could be win8 with your specific computer, I don't deny that possibility. But if 7 crashes even infrequently, but enough for you to notice, there's something else going on.

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Rocky Augustein

Windows XP & Windows 7 both can use touch screen minitors also. There is no need to upgrade to Windows 8 or 8.1 for that. We need to make Microsoft better support its older software, by not buying anything with their latest OS - Win 8.

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Granite

Yawn...

Here we are with another round of idiotic, ill-informed Win8 bashing.

People, y'all have been doing this for over a year now.

I can just see it...it's 2016, we are up to Win9 and the same people will STILL be bashing Windows...while the rest of the world moves on with an OS that integrates across all of their platforms...all their devices.

I think the bashers just get some kind of vicarious enjoyment out of pointlessly complaining about Windows.

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CyberCam

Why is it that you feel the need to defend an OS, an inadament object that you use as a tool? You act like you are a part of the development team and take every negative comment personally as if these comments are directed at you.

It's people like you that start these personal attacks on others (basically calling them idiotic, ill-informed) and starting these fights on comment sections & forums.

You do you have a right to voice your opinion like everyone else, but why start insulting poeple that are having problems and are very frustrated? Why not try to help with a solution, instead of adding fuel to fire and attacking others verbally?

You qutoed: "I think the bashers just get some kind of vicarious enjoyment out of pointlessly complaining about Windows."

You are no better, you seem to get enjoyment or "kicks" yourself, by insulting them and causing pointless confrontations. How does this help the whole situation? You're definitely not going change anyones mind with your condescending appoach.

It's better to reach out a helping hand up, than to kick people farther down! But then again, you don't care about the human factor!

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Granite

>"Why is it that you feel the need to defend an OS, an inadament object that you use as a tool? You act like you are a part of the development team and take every negative comment personally as if these comments are directed at you."

All I've ever done is state my experiences with Win8. I'm not part of any development team and I don't take any comments personally. I think you are reading way more into my comments than is really there. Why is that?

>"It's people like you that start these personally attacking others (basically calling them idiotic, ill-informed) and starting these fights on comment sections & forums.

You do you have a right to voice your opinion like everyone else, but why start insulting poeple that are having problems and are very frustrated? Why not try to help with a solution, instead of adding fuel to fire and attacking others verbally?"

Do you REALLY think anything I can say will change the mind of one single Win8 basher? I don't.

>"You qutoed: "I think the bashers just get some kind of vicarious enjoyment out of pointlessly complaining about Windows."

You are no better, you seem to get enjoyment or "kicks" yourself, by insulting them and causing pointless confrontations. How does this help the whole situation? You're definitely not going change anyones mind with your condescending appoach."

Hmmm...perhaps I hit a bit close to home with my "vicarious" remark?? Do you take my remarks personally? Hey...if the shoe fits, wear it with pride, eh?

>"It's better to reach out a helping hand up, 'than to kick em down!"

I haven't kicked anyone. I've only stated my thoughts and opinions. If you find that disturbing, perhaps you should look deep into yourself and wonder why that is.

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CyberCam

Reading your response, I can see you have totally missed the point!

You have not just stated your experiences in the original comment of this thread! You were insulting people that have gripes with Win8, period. I see nothing about your experiences in there.

Wether you can change anyones opinion or not is not what the point of that statement, again missing the point. Helping others to understand the issues of Win8, was what I was driving at.

You actually missed far from home, because I have no alliegence to any OS, I use and support them all, it's my living (I own my own IT shop). When I do quotes for customers I usually do three, a Windows solution, a Mac solution and a Linux solution and I explain the pros & cons for all three the best of my ability to help the customer meet their needs, because that's what I get paid to do.

So then, have you've helped, anyone understand the little quirks that Win8 have in you original post? I don't find it disturbing as I find it sad. You opinion hasn't insulted me at all, but as you can see many here did take offense to it.

I'm just trying to get you think before typing and more importantly think of the human factor first.

As the famous fictional detective Charlie Chan would say: "Tongue (or pen or typing) can hang a man quicker than rope!" I've know way too many people whom have gotten themselves into trouble by not thinking before hitting that ENTER key!

Cheers!

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Granite

I've stated my experiences with Win8 many times in conjunction with many articles about Win8...especially articles about the actual operation of the OS. This article isn't about that. But the Win8 bashers won't let that stop them from their bashing.

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CyberCam

Glad to see that you've stated your positive experiences and shown other users that Win8 isn't all bad, that's a good thing. Msft would be proud to have a customer like you.

Indirectly this article is about the overall operation of the OS. The stats in the the article are a result of the users overall experiences with the OS. So people sharing their exposure to the OS, does in part contrbute to the theme of the article.

You seem very hung up on these "Win8 bashers" (I call them everyday people that have issues with a tool). They have issues wtih an OS... you, for some reason, have issues with them? Why... I don't know? Something to think about.

For the record, I have had issues with all OS's (Unix, BSD, Windows, Mac and Linux), I've stated positive and negative attributes about all of them, but I would never put a tool or corporation, before my fellow man!

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maxeeemum

+1

Well said!

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Xenite

Go away Balmer!

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vrmlbasic

"vicarious enjoyment"? That doesn't sound right, not in the context.

Count me amongst those who bash Windows 8 because it sucks.

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Granite

I think "vicarious" is a perfect word...at least, for most of the Win8 bashers. I don't think most of them have even used Win8, but are living their hatred for it through the experiences of others. Hence, vicarious.

The sad thing is that people who live vicariously through other's experiences usually realize that they are living a fantasy. The Win8 bashers actually believe their vicarious experiences are real.

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Random

If you are so informed you would know that people are bashing windows 8 because it sucks. I've been running windows 8 for about 6 months now and I'm planning to "upgrade" back to windows 7. I'm tired of having my games crash for no apparent reason ever since I installed the windows 8.1 patch.

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Granite

shrug...

I've been using Win8 since release and I've never experienced a crash. But then, I don't play games that were made for XP. Do you?

If you want to backtrack to Win7, then do so. Ranting about how much Win8 sucks...while you are using it...is counterproductive, don't you think?

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JlzMT

When there are more touchscreen monitors in the wild, people will have more incentive to buy it.

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Jox

"When there are more touchscreen monitors in the wild, people will have more incentive to buy it."

I disagree. There is certainly a place for touchscreen apps, but a desktop PC is simply not that place. Cell phones? Yup. Tablets? For sure! Laptops? The argument could be made... But not desktops.

Why? I presently own a 24" screen which sits about 12 to 18 inches beyond my reach when seated comfortably in my chair. Having to lean forward all the time to use touch features is far less convenient that simply using my mouse. Also, I don't want fingerprints all over my screen. This is a gaming rig; trying to play most PC games with a touch interface is, to say the least, an exercise in frustration.

As I mentioned, there are plenty of places where a touch interface makes sense, but I don't see that place EVER being a desktop PC.

Microsoft was embarrassingly late to the game with regard to smart phones. Now they are trying to catch up, but they know that will never happen in a world where Google and Apple dominate. The only hope they have to compete in this space is if they can unify the desktop and mobile tech in a way that the other players have heretofore failed to do. Unfortunately, Microsoft's heavy-handed tactics in this regard have left many of us with a bad taste in our mouths. All they are doing (in the desktop space) is making alternatives like Linux more attractive.

-Jox

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CyberCam

I have to agree with you... you've summed it up perfectly! I and my technicians have tried using the touchscreen on the desktop (all OS's) and it's quite a pain in the butt.

The majority of people don't like Win8 because of their first impressions was not a good one. No matter how you try to help them adjust, they are too turned off to continue using it.

I've seen many a customer parading to my service area, asking to downgrade Win8 to Win7. Many complaints are usually centered around, frustrating UI, frequent OS/apps/games crashing, poor multi-tasking when not in Desktop mode and an general hatread of the charms menu.

On the flip side Mac and Linux have benefited from, MSFT's misstep. We've had many more customers asking about Mac/Linux desktops & laptops, in my IT shop. We have configured more of them in 2013 than we have in the last 4 years combined.

And our corporate clients are scared to death of Win8, just from hearsay and their personal experiences as well. The ones that have Windows implemented, are hanging on to Win7 for dear life!

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rsaotome

Bought my nephew his first laptop/computer last Christmas, it came pre-loaded with Win 8, after a month, he asked if he could try Win 7, so I bought him a copy & he's still using it today.

So, yeah, not really surprised.

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ThomFrost

because microsoft ignored their customers is why win8 is not doing as good as it should be.
in the rush to make a unified os that crosses over all platforms they forget that what is good for a tablet is not always good for a computer.
what ms should had done is gave the users the option from the start to start up with the classic screen or the metro ui.
i alpha and beta tested win8 and i found it un-necessarily hard to use with out a touch screen.
i also run in to programs that will not work or run right on win8.

if i was in charge of ms os department, i would start the development of a new windows.
just totally ditch the current windows and start fresh.
i have even have a name for it as well windows next.
for backwards compatibility i would include a virtual copy of win7 in it.
that would give the consumer time to upgrade their software as well as developers.

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Renegade Knight

I beta tested and hated it. I bought it at release and find it better than 7. Not enough to upgrade from but enough to where it's not actually guilty of 90% of the things it's accused of. If buying a new computer Win 8 is a no brainer. Get it.

A non backwards compatible windows would cut me off from the only reason I run windows. Software. Once that happens I'm not invested in the windows world and I can get any OS that I want going forward. It probably wouldn't be windows for cutting me off like that. The Win 7 VM wouldn't work for most of my needs. Not without some new tech that made it viable for games.

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fdhealy

That's pretty amazing considering that almost all new PC's come with 8.*

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ThomFrost

you can still order systems with win7 on them, and ones that you can't most companies are allowing downgrades.
i did that with my new asus laptop.

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hornfire3

yeah, the main reason is here:

>they want a new computer

>found nearly all computer come with win8, and they pissed.

>reluctantly bought the computer with the OS

>activates the Win8 copy

>OPTIONALLY: goes to Windows Store to get 8.1 update. tried it, didn't like it, despite all new options available

>ordered a Win7 disc (or used a spare from home)

>downgrade to 7

>customers are finally happy.

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firefox91

Downgrade? Going from Win8 to Win7 isn't a downgrade by any means.

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legionera

Interesting perspective. If you get offered a ferrari but you wish to upgrade to a trabant, could you please send me the ferrari?

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dedgar

You get a trabant and everything is where it was the last time you looked at a trabant.
You buy a ferrari and everything is changed. The start is nowhere to be found. The gages all read in mandarin, the shifter is behind the driver seat, the right pedal is the brake, the middle pedal does nothing and the right pedal is missing. (It was there in the last model. Why not this one?)
To start the ferrari you have to step outside, lift your left foot up behind your right ear and shout Hail to the Chief in Swahili.
But it's the new ferrari. So buy it and like it.

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legionera

Don't worry! I am flexible and open minded. I will figure it out. Just send it to me :).

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Jeffredo

Hilarious. Windows XP is slated to have its support from Microsoft cut in April and it STILL commands over three times and many users as Win 8.

As far as Win 7 goes I guess I'm part of that statistic. I assembled a PC from spare parts this fall for my mother and put an OEM copy of Windows 7 on it. There's no way I'd saddle her with 8.

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Ghost XFX

Yeah, I bet. can you imagine your mom calling you every hour complaining about something the computer did? No way I'd stick a family member with W8...

Like I told me sister after I built hers, make sure you install W7, W8 is not worth the hassle. Haven't heard a complaint after 2 years...

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Granite

Two years ago you COULDN'T install Win8. It's only been available for just over a year.

Are you sure you know anything at all about Win8?

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vrmlbasic

Windows 8.1 still isn't for me.

The transition between the actual desktop and the metro "start screen" in Windows 8 is just too jarring for me, and switching between the 2 is mandated (since many apps open on the desktop instead of "in metro").

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Blam

I have a fresh copy of Win7 ready for my next computer ... Maybe when the R9 390X and DDR4 come out :p

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lordfirefox

And GDDR6 :)

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fung0

Hats off to Paul and MaxPC for including links to the original stats. Too many sites don't bother with 'footnotes,' which allow readers to verify the facts, and/or dig deeper.

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dbqfan

Win 8 will never be in my future. I think is was a huge mistake for Microsoft to force a tablet like interface on users. Why not just update Win7. Apple is laughing there ass off at this blunder. I just bought a new Lenovo W530 with Win7. I almost bought an Apple but my software would not run on an Apple but it will run on Lunix so that will be my next operating system unless Microsoft sees the light.

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legionera

Every time I see the word 'forced' in a sentence with W8.1, I feel the need to ask: did you file a rape complaint to the police?

Nobody is forcing you to do anything. 8.1 has a desktop. Your argument is invalid.

Have a good day.

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fung0

You are "forced" to install the tablet code on your PC - there's no option to avoid it. You are "forced" to use the new tablet program launcher - there's no option to avoid it. In fact, the only way to avoid the Metro UI is to install third-party software. And even then, you need to go to the Windows Store to get vital updates.

That's about as "forced" as you can get, short of dumping the traditional UI entirely. Which Microsoft has also hinted at, with its constant references to "the legacy desktop."

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legionera

"You are "forced" to install the tablet code on your PC - there's no option to avoid it."

MS is definitely pointing a gun to your face when you are installing the OS. Keep using 7 if you don't like 8. How hard could it be? That was the point of my reply.

It is understandable that some ppl don't like the metro UI. I don't blame them. I don't like chocolate ice-cream. But saying that they are forced to use 8.1 sounds like one is being molested.

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vrmlbasic

Microsoft pointed the DirectX 10 "gun" at our heads for Vista.

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CoryGott

As you've pointed out, we aren't forced to use Win8 because Windows 7 is a perfectly fine alternative. But what happens if all future versions of Windows continue with these poor design decisions, and Windows 7 gradually becomes as obsolete and unsupported as Windows 98? Then what?

Then it's too late. We aren't just fighting Windows 8, we're fighting for the future of Windows in general.