Windows 8.1 Review

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Jims45wow

I've had some meat in my fridge for a year, and it doesn't seem like it's any tastier. Oh, OVEN... Well, I've left meat on the barbeque to long, and it didn't get any tastier... So, Perfect metaphor.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Did you miss the old Bullwinkle?

Well maybe some of you Windows Experts can help me with my XP Box?
It is so obviously broken...

I only have SP2 and NO MICROSOFT UPDATES at all

Please help me find malware to infect my XP Box!
I use a basic free antivirus and aftermarket firewall + Driveshield and I have NEVER found any malware that can disable my system and render it inoperable

My backups are between 487MB and 800 MB depending on driver and software installs and restore in less than 60 seconds if there ever is a problem

XP boots in less than half the time that 64-bit Windows 8.1 boots and several seconds faster than 32-bit Windows 8.1 boots on a non-UEFI BIOS

XP Full Formats a 16GB Patriot Thumbdrive in 22 seconds
Windows 7 and 8 Full Format the same thumbdrive in 33 minutes and 24 seconds

PLEASE show me how to make XP as Lame and Slow as Windows 8

I feel so left out and outdated using an O.S. that can block ALL of the Microsoft components from accessing the Internet for the NSA while still Letting Firefox or any other browser surf the net

Please help me find a way to destroy my operating system that has never had a Blue screen of death in over 5 solid years since I made my apps portable to avoid DLL errors and registry conflicts

I use a Windows 8 screencap for wallpaper so I can look at the pretty colors and Apps that I will never use even if I had Windows 8 installed but it's just not the same

I want to be as Lame as all of you and Vulnerable to the NSA too!

I feel so alone sitting here and not buying into all the lies

and I know what your thinking.....

Oh Shit, He's back!

Yeah, you missed me

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AFDozerman

I don't mind you. It's Silencer I don't want coming back.

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hornfire3

speaking of Silencer, where is he? haven't heard from him for a while.

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AFDozerman

The MaximumPC Delta Team took him off to Gitmo.

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Carlidan

That was pretty funny. :)

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JimmyD1964

Ok I have 8 Pro. Added "Classic shell" and NEVER use "Start Screen".
I don't use the cloud storage. I don't use the "Windows Store".
So, Is there anyting else to compel me to go to 8.1?
You said better search? I use one or the other. I don't search the internet for "My Photos" I search "My Photos" If I want the local hardware store, I use the internet.
Everyting else I use often I have a Desktop shortcut.
My question is: Is there anything internal in Win 8.1 new and improved?

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davelray

Other than it's basically Service Pack 1 for Windows 8 and costs you nothing to update to it?

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Bullwinkle J Moose

"Is there anything internal in Win 8.1 new and improved?"
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Yes, the Government Sponsored Spyware has been improved beyond your wildest imaginations

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Further Update:

I have been giving you all bad advice lately regarding Acronis True Image for use with Windows 8.1

Further testing revealed that the newest FREE version of Acronis for Western Digital drives actually does work after I downloaded another copy of it from Western Digital

The same copy I had tried last week turned out to be corrupt....
However, The Free copy has limited functionality to get you to purchase the program

For anyone wishing to use the easiest FREE version of Acronis with Windows 8.1, that would be Version 14192 from Western Digital.
That copy still works with Windows 8.1, is easy to use and is fully functional for what I need

The version listed at Western Digital's site "IS" version 14192 but when you click the download link, it provides the newer and crappier 2013 version with limited functionality

If you still have the older 14192 version, DO NOT LOSE IT!
Because FREE is Good!
FREE and Non-Gimped is Better
FREE, Non-Gimped and easiest to use is Best

You have been warned!

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AFDozerman

So... I uninstalll my AV, reformat my system, install the 34 updates that panda had blocked and finally upgrade, all to find that Skydrive won't let me sync files anymore now between my blackberry and desktop. Great going, M$. There's a reason I am slowly moving to linux.

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legionera

What does "slowly moving to Linux" mean? Sounds like being half pregnant or little pregnant. You either do it or not.

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AFDozerman

Dual booting and using it when I can. When I find a replacement for a particular program that works as good or better on Linux, I start using it exclusively on linux. One big one is Unity. I'm learning game development on Windows right now, and at the same time, learning C++. Eventually, when I get good enough at both, I'll start writing my own little 2D engine in Linux and move on from there.

Like I said, though, SLOWLY. This is gonna take me years.

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TheStewardess

What the hell is the matter with all of you?
What works for you is what works for you.
Is it now that people are such lemmings that they can't think for themselves!!

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lordfirefox

"Take, for example, Windows 8.1’s lack of cooperation with those who made the foolhardy decision to move their entire \user folders over to a separate drive from Windows itself. Good luck with the update."

Have you seen the shit that gets installed into a User profile on Windows 7 and 8? Have you ever installed a SSD? Heaven forbid should you want to save any space on your SSD by moving the User profiles. Microsoft needs to address this and let system administrators move User profiles to different drives without screwing up the entire system.

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maxeeemum

Here's another point of view on Windows 8.1.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/168910-windows-8-1-and-the-desktop-a-modest-improvement-we-still-cant-recommend

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Backup Update

If you are a cheap-ass like me, the Latest Free Western Digital edition of Acronis True Image is out of date and will not work with Windows 8.1 yet

However,
Acronis Backup works fine if you download the 2014 Trial or Full Edition from Acronis directly

Sorry for any confusion from my earlier posts

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Rift2

I won't install it for simple reasons windows Experience index is gone and I'm not totally sure if Add Gadgets CPU meter still works cause it was broken in preview.

I like Windows Experiece Index I rather have it then have a start button =)

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kixofmyg0t

It works. You need the 8gadgetpack installed.

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skinnymanmusic

Okay. I need somewhere to unload my biggest gripes with Win8/8.1. Let's get the easy stuff out of the way. Windows 8.1 did not do so well for Lenovo users who have y500/y510s with SLI setups. SLI capabilities went out the window. There is an unofficial fix for it somewhere on the interweb, so if you're reading this, google it and you shall find. That's more an Nvidia/Lenovo issue to be honest(nvidia denying all claims and passing the blame to lenovo, lenovo claims to be looking into it), but w/e M$ changed something and created an issue...

Now onto my serious issues. Can someone please explain to me...what are tiles? What are the uses of tiles? M$ wants a cleaner, simpler easier to use interface. They want the devices that use their OS to have longer battery life. But the entire concept around tiles is completely counter-productive to what they want.

There is so much that's wrong with tiles that sometimes I don't even know where to begin. Don't get me wrong, yes they offer us some useful information. Sometimes it's nice to get a glimpse of the text message that came in so that I don't have to open my phone to check it. But there are other ways of doing that in a more conformed fashion that doesn't mean I have to go scrolling through my phone just to see it. This may sound trivial...but the more you do with your phone, the more energy you are using, the shorter the battery life. Hacked iPhones had apps that allowed you to view all your notifications in a clean simple user interface (btw, I'm not advertising iPhones, I'm giving an example) w/o unlocking the device. You want to encourage users to work smarter, not harder. So why is M$ forcing it's users to pin every app they want to have updates to on their start screen? Then forcing them to go look for that app to get the update, then on top of that (if you are on a phone for eg) limiting the amount of apps that you can have updates to because of battery usage. 15 apps is the limit for phones. This concept is generally flawed and the reason I'm using phones for an example is because it is the smallest form factor of windows 8 and proving my point of the flaws of tiles.

That is the next thing M$ needs to tackle IMO to make their OS a fully functioning software that makes sense and does far more than just twist and turn and look pretty. I thought that's why they removed Aero in the first place....tiles take up space when you need that info, turning into more scrolling and more time taken into sorting. There is no grouping for tiles...nothing about tiles is simplistic and that needs fixing pronto.

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Analogkid

15 apps is not the limit for phones. I elected to go with the Nokia 1020 over getting an Iphone 5s and I'm very happy with it. I miss a few weather apps but they've said they'll be on WP8 soon. The camera and video performance was my focus; I was sick of going to concerts and getting horrible shots/videos. At least now I'll know who I went to see!

As a bonus I discovered how much I like WP8. I really like what they did with 8.1 and I'm a week from putting it on my PC (put it on my wife's laptop first). I'm more excited about the DirectX using SysRAM for textures; hopefully I'll get a bit longer life out of my GTX690's.

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Granite

I run 2 GT680's in SLI on my desktop and have no problems under Win8.1. That leads me to believe the Lenova problem is due to...Lenova.

As to you "serious issues"...it appears that you are confusing Windows Phone 8 with Windows 8.1. They are two different beasts that, at this point, only look similar. They are really quite different. So complaining about tiles on a phone really doesn't address the issues of tiles on a desktop or an Intel powered tablet.

btw, Win8.1 does support grouping tiles.

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jgottberg

Farewell guys - it's been fun and all but I gotta jump ship.

MaxPC used to offer some decent stuff but lately it's all the same. "Why Win8 ain't that bad" - "Are PC's dead?" - "Can PC's compete with consoles" blah, blah, blah... Same rhetoric, different day and all of it just to generate some page hits. I get it... the site doesn't pay for itself but MaxPC has powered itself to the lowest common denominator.

Have fun with this baited discussion.

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legionera

No one can handle the truth. Even you. We lost one hell of a soldier here. Get the guns out and shoot in his memory fellas!

I meant real guns, not your penises!

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Engelsstaub

Come on, dude: you're one of a handful of frequent commentators that isn't predictable, irrationally angry, and/or obnoxious as all-hell.

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kixofmyg0t

Bye.

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kevaskous

BAAAAAIIIIIII

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kixofmyg0t

Been using Windows 8 since I built this PC earlier in the year.

I never installed Start8 or Classic Shell or whatever else you people use either.

I was fine with 8 before, sure it took about 5 minutes to adapt to the new layout but it wasn't "bad" at all IMO. Heck i even use a few of the Win 8 apps(the Win 8 Netflix app is the BEST version of the service) 8.1 has a few nice changes that I can now say I'm totally fine with the OS and would never go back to 7. In fact using my laptop(which runs 7 Pro) feels awkward and sluggish.

I do suggest that Microsoft makes the desktop tile large by default. 95% of the Win 8 haters don't even know that 8 still has desktop anyway. A few of my coworkers made that argument and it was only until I showed them on my PC that they believed it.

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PCWolf

I don't need to install no Stinkin' Netflix App to use Netflix. I just click on the Web Link & I'm there! Only noobs like you think that's great because you go for that "APP" hype. But if Windows 8 works for you, then by all means, Enjoy.

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macmooda

I couldn't really use the new interface. I mean I could, but I really didn't like to. So I installed startisback from startisback.com .. Wow what a difference. Looks and functions like windows 7 but without the horrible user interface of 8. Also it still boots wicked fast and boots straight to the desktop and removes all the hot corners. Worked really good for me. I wonder if it will still work with 8.1?

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Bucket_Monster

Win 7 works fine for me and MS has already stated it's receiving support through 2020. I'll hop on a new Windows release after they iron out everything and perfect it, rather than being a guinea pig. Maybe with Win 9 they'll realize cramming tablet features in a desktop environment was a bad idea.

Or we can hope that Win 8 and up pushes hardware and software vendors into giving full support for Linux and I'll never touch Windows again.

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Renegade Knight

I use 8 on a tablet PC and I use 8 on a gaming PC with no touch interface. Since they didn't disable my mouse and keyboard and I can do everything I need with those I'm not at all sure how including a touch interface actually hurts anything. Actually I'll say it doesn't. It's a bonus.

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Zedro

Steam and Valve is leading the charge on the gaming front. By the time support ends for Win7, I believe that Linux will be a very viable replacement for Windows.

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PCWolf

The only thing that might push most Windows users to Linux is if Microsoft goes ahead with their plans to make Windows 10 a Cloud OS. Other than that, Most people will steer clear of Linux. Linux is just too complicated for most users to even grasp. & Video Driver support is a bad joke at this time. Same goes for games & software. & yes, Steam for Linux will make it more easy to game, that is if your favorite USB Controller even has Linux Drivers. Who knows.

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legionera

Dude, you serious? I mean, c'mon! Do you really think people will go for Linux distros instead of Windows? I have background in computing and I can tell you that linux is a hell of a borscht soup. You have to spend 9/10 of your time in the forums to figure out how to make your printer works because the company does not provide linux drivers. Or, you end up with 1k issues because linux distros do not support your hardware.

I mean srsly?!

If I could not move my ass to find out how to run my G700's additional buttons, what are the chances for someone with less experience to spend time looking for all that???

People like the easy and cheap.
What is easy?- MACOS (Hackintosh doesn't count)
What is cheap? - Linux distros
What is medium easy and medium cheap? - Windows

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PCWolf

I agree 100%

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Zedro

If you bothered to read the original post and my reply, you'd understand the context. Win7 will receive support till 2020. I'll stick with Win7 till then. Linux will have matured by then and be very much a threat to both Windows and Mac. Big names throwing support behind Linux like Valve only help to boost support for the long run.

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Carlidan

Doubtful. They have said that so many times. It's just a broken record. There have been big name companies before that try to mainstream Linux in the past. Steam isn't the first to try. And it won't be the last.

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Carlidan

I can't even get my wifi to work b/c the new ubuntu 13.10 can't even find my hard wired connection for my laptop. Kinda of ticking me off. I tried some of the tricks on forums. But none worked. And Unbuntu is suppose to be easier to use.

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PCWolf

It's easier to use for the super geeks who enjoy traversing thru countless forums looking for countless ways to get something working. Most computer users would rather get a Mac than even go near a Linux Machine. Saying that Linux will take over windows is just a wet dream that Linux Lovers have had for years, but never comes true.

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Zedro

I've used Windows 8 extensively. I bought a tablet hybrid for work and it's quite serviceable. I still installed Start8 and it's tweaked to run similar to Win7. I can effectively navigate my way around without Start8 as well. Doesn't change anything! Windows 7 is better for desktop environment and it's not coming off my home computer any time soon.

The whole problem is "why " have metro at all? I don't need apps for Windows. I got programs for that. Why not have the option to disable the metro? Why remove the start "menu" instead of giving us a choice? It was already there. Why take it out instead of turning it off and letting us choose? Then no one could complain. It's the strategy of M$ to emulate Apple and force us to use its app store. That is why Aero was removed from the desktop. To make the desktop as unappealing as possible. But M$ says, "Aero and Glass was a huge drain on battery life for notebook and tablets." Ok, then. GIVE US THE OPTION AND LET US CHOOSE FOR OURSELVES!

Nope. M$ knows better. And soon you'll be renting your computer for M$, the desktop will be gone, programs like start8 will be blocked, and youll have no choice about it. You win8 fanboys will have only yourself to blame.

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Renegade Knight

My experience is different. I'll take 8 over 7 for desktop environment and use it on them as well.

If I had 7 I wouldn't upgrade. It's better but not better enough to be worth the hundred bucks.

As for emulating Apple. Apple is on record saying "Touch in a PC sucks". Personally I think Apple is wrong and Microsoft is right. Touch works well and the desktop works well and both in one OS is the future of full powered OS's. Microsofts Stragety to get there can be questioned but I've never seen anyone use any logic in the argument.= against touch.

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CaptainFabulous

By then we'll all be using SteamOS anyway, so I don't think it'll matter.

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legionera

By when? I will put it in my calendar so I could laugh at you after that.

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lordfirefox

And I'll remember to laugh at you when it succeeds and you have to eat your own words.

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legionera

@ lordfirefox

Dude, where will you type your documents? In the Valve's games console?

An entire OS taking place on your hdd, and you will have to dualboot.

Practical? I don't think so.

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kevaskous

More likely Ubuntu

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Jasker

I've been using Windows 8 and now 8.1 (SP1) for about 3 months. I've had very little issue adjusting. I've pinned File Explorer and Control Panel to my Start Screen and don't miss Start Menu one bit. I've been using Windows since 95. I actually prefer Windows 8.

I feel that Homegroups function more fluidly, I like the integrated Parental Controls (Win 7's are nice but 8 adds a timer that warns them and boots them), and I like simply pressing the Windows key and starting to type and Bam there's Dragon Age Origins icon (which is why I don't miss the start menu and also have almost no shortcuts on my desktop. There are a number of other things I like that I simply won't list here.

I think honestly a lot of the negativity is just perception and resistance to change. I was one of them. I hated Win8 at first but it was simply just because it's different.

P.S. Not to be confused with Jacker.

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Zedro

In windows 7, I can click on the start menu or hit the windows key to bring up the start menu and type in the program and BAM, there it is. I can click to start or press enter to run the program all done without the obtrusive full screen metro.

Since when is this a novel feature of Win8 when Win7 has done it since the beginning?

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Bucket_Monster

No I think a lot of the negativity is it doesn't aid productivity in a desktop environment whatsoever. If I'm doing serious work on a PC, I don't want Win 8's Frankenstein of a system. Most of these new features seem catered directly towards the social mobile scene and thus have no value to power users or people doing serious work. For the email and web surfing crowd I'm sure it might be okay.