Windows 8.1 Ad Featuring Start Button

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Engelsstaub

@ jgottberg, PCLinuxguy, and davelray:

I'm sticking with Ubuntu for now. It has most of what I need in a Linux distro (albeit at the expense of a little bloat.) I tried Mint and it was cool. They need to add full disk encryption though.

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FatOldGuy

I hated 8 as well, especially when it was forced on me when I got a new pc, then I did something crazy!! and tried to get used to it, and now while I can't say I love it, because like every OS it has it's flaws, but it does everything 7 did on my old pc, and boots up faster while doing it.

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Scatter

I did something crazy as well. I didn't settle for an interface that I wasn't happy or comfortable with so I downloaded and installed StartIsBack, one of the many Start button replacements. Now I have the OS that I want even if Microsoft didn't thin that I should.

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Carlidan

But you're still using an OS you hate? Or the only flaw you hate was the start menu but you think the OS itself is good.

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Scatter

I think that the OS itself is pretty good but MS has a bad habit of thinking that they know what's best for everyone and giving its customers what they want us to have rather than what the customers say they want. They could have easily included the classic start button in Windows 8 and even disabled it by default and most people would have been ok with it. Other than the Start button and hideous Start menu Windows 8 seems to run quicker on my PC than Windows 7 used to and so far I haven't run into any compatibility issues.

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Carlidan

nevermind, it's the latter. :0

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Christmas

Pretty much Echoing what everyone else is already saying, I won't let this gimmick p.o.s. OS anywhere near my machines - Microsoft think they're being 'Hip' or something, they think this is the right way forward.. IF I WANTED SOMETHING USELESS AND HIP I WOULD'VE BOUGHT A MAC! Don't Sell me Windows If it ain't windows, they should call this OS what it is "Microsoft Tiles"

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FatOldGuy

Wow, so edgy and cool, can I be your friend?

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Mikey109105

I don't care if they put a fully functional Windows 7 Start button on 8.1, I still won't touch it with a 5 foot pole. Hated 8 the day it was announced, and still hate it now!

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Mikey109105

And here is where you are wrong. I DID try it after some prodding from a couple of friends told me it wasn't that bad. It lasted about 3 days before I went back to 7. Never again.

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FatOldGuy

No need these days to actually try something, be one of the cool kids and hate it when it is announced.

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Neufeldt2002

I'm very well in the minority, but I don't want one experience for everything in my life. I also don't want one interface for my various devices. To me that means that they are a jack of all trades, master of none. I want a desktop interface for my desktop, a phone interface for my phone, and a tablet interface for my tablet if I get one, and a console interface for my console. To have one interface for all means that they couldn't be bothered to optimize the interface for the device I am on, I am not investing my hard earned money on something that is half ass.

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Rift2

I was expected something like the dubstep mix Too Close by Alex Claire to show me what I'm missing. No way am I going to upgrade unless I tired the Beta and didn't like it alone with the darn watermark.

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yammerpickle2

This seems like a little too little, and a little too late. WIN 8 has a very bad rep in the circles I run in, and I doubt WIN 8.1 is going to make fans of any of them. Advise for the next CEO. Retrain your sale and marketing team to LISTEN to customers wants and needs. Then tell your engineers to take that feedback and make the customers happy. Call it WIN 9 and release a highly optimized Direct x 12 with it.

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dgrmouse

This is the worst possible time to try to force customers to upgrade by bundling a DirectX upgrade. I don't know that Linux is a great threat to Windows just yet, but if I were MS, I would be trying to get my best DirectX into the hands of every woman, man, and child.

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MiGreen

Bloggers haven't yet realized that you can no longer get 400 comments just by headlining "Start Button." Hear is a tip "Nixon" won't work either.

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Nixon

That's actually my name. :(

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firefox91

"One experience for everything in your life."

That is the statement Microsoft committed this whole mess to and it is the statement that really defines the failure of it all. No one was clamoring to have their PC to work the same as their PC or phone. I sure as hell wasn't. Tables and phones have smaller screens and are touch based. The functionality is different for a reason. But laptop or desktop that comes with additional interface devices (keyboard and mouse/touchpad) SHOULD NOT work the same way. They are more powerful and give you more control. Yet Microsoft intentionally cripples them with an O/S that was created for a tablet. It's just foolish.

I had Windows 8 on a laptop I got about 6 months ago. I used it for that 6 months with the addition of Classic Shell and it was tolerable, but I felt handcuffed the entire time. All the power user options get hidden, troubleshooting functions cut buried. When I encountered a software problem and had to jump through hoops to do basic troubleshooting, I dumped it all and went to Windows 7.

Like one of the previous posters said, Windows 8 will never work in a corporate environment. The company I work for is in the process of rolling from XP to Win7. As good as Win7 is, some people complain because they don't like change. But they are getting used to it. Give those same people Win8 and they will riot. No intelligent corporation will roll to Win8 until they make it more like a desktop O/S and not a tablet O/S.

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maxeeemum

@firefox91

Well said! And I'd like to add no intelligent PC user can say that Windows 8.1, out of the box, is superior in functionality to Windows 7 (except the sheep). You can tweak and add on all you want to make it tolerable but who wants tolerable. Not me and like yourself many more!

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legionera

@ maxeeemum

Hey everybody! LOOK! WE HAVE A GENERALIST OVER HERE!!!! Isn't he "cool"?!

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Nixon

I'm used to Windows 8 now and I like it. It's pretty much the same thing as Win7, but with a few additional features. The start button / metro UI isn't much of an issue for me as it may be for others, but what I would really like to see is -

A complete replacement of File History for a return back to Shadow Copies.
A better Programs and Files search on the Metro search feature. Oh, and the ability to change the default search from apps to Settings. A lot of users don't care about the apps.
Built in tabs for Windows Explorer (I'm still relying on QTtab bar for that.)
Better support between Wind8 and Games For Windows Live (Yeah hate that POS too, but I still have some games that require it.)
A patch to the People app. It's probably the only one I use and it's annoying when it auto disconnects from my chat session just because I left it running for too long in the background.

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bjoswald

It doesn't matter what their ridiculous marketing department tries to sell you; the people have spoken and they don't want Windows 8.

The only reason it is selling is because it's installed on new PC's, and MS knows your average Joe would sooner buy a new one than mess around with upgrades or shop-hopping for deals.

And businesses? Forget about it. They _just_ migrated from XP to 7 (or have started to), so the current cycle will be all but skipped.

Nobody needs nor wants Windows 8. They tried to put it on your desktop, and it backfired. They tried to put it on your tablet, and it backfired (ever seen a Surface in the wild?). They put it on your phone, and it backfired.

Windows 7 is the new XP.

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Cyk0

Actually, the "people who have spoken" are changing their minds about windows 8. The only reason people don't like it is because of bad press and not liking change. Once they learn windows 8, most actually come to lime it as it is much faster than 7 and works on more types of devices.

As for businesses who just migrated to 7 from XP have nothing to fear about windows 8. Windows 8 works with just about any app/software that worked with windows 7. Corporations don't like upgrading every new windows release because of the cost to upgrade across the board. The reason most moved to 7 is not because 8 is undesired but because 7 would be more cost effective in terms of training its people.

If only MS didn't do such a poor job at marketing how to use the new UI, people would be better informed on passing judgment on windows 8.

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Ghost XFX

"Actually, the "people who have spoken" are changing their minds about windows 8. The only reason people don't like it is because of bad press and not liking change."

Not so sure about that. Because if this were the case, more people would have latched onto Vista than they actually did.

Because while it was considered a media hog and dealt with a few bugs early on, look at what Intel has done in the intern. They've given us more of a reason to use even moar RAM, more of an ability to expand drive options. And case makers are constantly expanding their drive options as well.

Gone are the days of 4-8GB computing when Vista came out. At that time, 16GB was all the rage. The only reason you'd stay at 4 GB, is because...? And those on 8GB are looking at upgrading to keep up, even if they don't necessarily need to right now.

But that's not what happened. Rage and fury reigned down upon MS, and eventually, W7 was born.

W8 might be faster, but that doesn't necessarily make it better.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Oh, so everyone's just too stupid to know what they like, unless Microsoft tells them?

ROTFLMAO

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FatOldGuy

And some are too stupid to know what they like so they go along with the internet croud.

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Mikey109105

Since you can't seem to spell simple words like crowd (you spelled it croud), it would seem you are part of the "stupid" you mention.

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Damnlogin

"Mentioned"
Just saying...

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FatOldGuy

typed on my phone, good thing we have grammar Nazi's such as yourself to police internet forums.

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Armedes

Typed*, missing a "this", run-on sentence, Nazis*.

/just saying.

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FatOldGuy

Fuck off junior, that better?

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Nastyman

I said it before...if the idiots just gave you the CHOICE of a Win 7 interface with Aero or the new front end they couldn't keep up with the demand....what a bunch of jerks!

Way to sink the ship guys!

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Great way to sum it all up. All we ever wanted was a choice. I've been using Windows for 25 years and would have moved on to version 8 had I the option to stay with the work environment I'm familiar with. I never wanted or needed to turn my PC into an over-sized smart phone.

The article sugar coats the function of this Start button. All it does is flip between Metro and the traditional desktop. It does not call up a list of programs. It is not the Start button we want.

I know that Microsoft is pressuring the press to help return the flock to the fold, but to hell with that noise. I expect greater clarity and transparency than this.

In the end, the Start button is just a little bump in the road, compared to what is coming next. When Windows 9 requires a monthly subscription, the Titanic that is Microsoft is going under for good.

Forcing a subscription because Microsoft can't deliver a consistently high-quality product is the ultimate betrayal of customers and a telling sign that the company is being mismanaged, it's products sabotaged by inept salesmen dictating design and engineering decisions.

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davelray

Someone please put up a "Don't Feed the Trolls" sign. @Sweetness and @maxeeemum and the rest of your Hate8 MS bashing crew give it a rest. Your opinion has been noted and disregarded as the utter garbage it is. You've yet to bring a valid point to the table showing Windows 8 as bad. Stop going off about the start menu you don't need (the start screen's a blown up and far more easily searched version.) It'd be different if you had a legitimate gripe, but all you can do is call Ballmer a "coke" head, (he kept MS profitable during his term might I remind you,) and lament the loss of a treed program menu that's a fall back to the 90's. Give it a freaking rest.

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hewittc4

Sorry davelray, but it is you who are trolling. A significant portion of Windows users do not like Win8. It doesn't matter why or if it is justified, we do not like it. We told Microsoft we didn't like it during beta testing and were ignored, so we will continue to tell the business that their customers are not happy. That is how business works, make a product the people will buy or they will not buy it.

Up until your comment, I have not seen any insulting comments or name calling. You did not add anything constructive to the conversation, nor did you make any points about what is good about Win8. You only insulted people.

It is you who are a troll. Please grow up.

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davelray

@hewittc4 Before you start calling me a troll and telling me to grow up, do your research first. You'll find that I have yet to call anyone a name or toss around insults. The two people I called out have done that time and time again. And if you had bothered reading any of my posts over the years, I have offered and given more than a few help with their issues. As well as given intelligent and experienced based opinions. What I have not done, is accuse people of being morons, unintelligent, or called anyone a shill. What I have not done is mindlessly bash something just because it's trendy to do so. So go read a few more articles. You have the ability to click on any posters name and see articles they have posted to. Go read mine and then go read theirs. You will find your opinion unwarranted and non factual. Have a nice day. (Us grown ups tend to do our research beforehand so we don't look foolish.)

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limitbreaker

+1 hewit.

davelray said "the start screen's a blown up and far more easily searched version." ..... Maybe that's what i hate about it! It is very inefficient for my entire screen to go away into a start screen when i just need to grab an app quickly. I hate it and if it wansn't for Classic shell i'd be stuck using windows7. If microsoft continues in this path and force me to use a mobile centric OS, i'll just use android instead.

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Engelsstaub

@ everybody: let me be a voice of moderation this time (I know; irony haha.) I don't really use Windows 8 at the moment and spend most of my time on OS X.

I can see both sides of this. I personally don't dislike Windows 8. I think it does a lot of things right like start up and shut down time and such. But I also get that a lot of people hated Metro and told MS this and feel ignored.

Isn't there third-party solutions to the Start Menu though? I totally get that people want access to their programs in such a way. One thing I've always hated about my Windows desktops was all the clutter of icons to launch my frequently-used programs. OS X's Spotlight function goes a long way to eliminate the need for this (hit ⌘+Spacebar...type first two letters of Photoshop...smash the return key and boom. Photoshop opens) but I hardly ever used the Start button to do the same thing...it just seems less logical and more involved to me.

Admittedly my time on Windows these days is mostly limited to a cracked copy of XP in a VM but I've tried Win 8 and, when I build a gaming rig, I'll have no problems using it. Is it ideal or optimal? Fuck no, that's why I mostly use Mac OS and Linux these days. ...but I don't think it sucks either.

The mobile UI idea, while innovative, is understandably a bit awkward for many. I think they were trying hard, in catching up to Google and Apple in the mobile market, to push something new that would supposedly be more uniform. The problem is they were really late to teh mobile-party and they *have to* take big risks to gain relevance or offer a compelling alternative in that department.

Microsoft is going to have to do much worse than this to change its grip on OS marketshare TBH. If Windows users really hate it so much perhaps they'll listen for Windows 9 because they actually did a lot of things right in Win 8 (IMO) too.

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legionera

@ Englesstaub

The magnify glass icon actually plays the role of the start button full screen. In other words, it gives you a better perspective of the stuff you have on your computer and he option to search.

You don't even need 3rd party software.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKDZ7CVKgt8

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davelray

@Englesstaub +10 for one of your usual, well thought out posts. Thank you.

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Xenite

So... Microsoft, now that you have hosed over and ignored desktop users with that monstrosity that you call Windows 8. What are you going to do when the tablet fad dies off? A lot of tech industry insiders have all said that tablets are on the way out.

So you've created a touch OS we don't want and won't be in demand.

Bang up job!

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Coked-up sales monkeys don't make good executives? What? Really?