Windows 8.1 Ad Featuring Start Button

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deegee

I am a software developer in the gaming industry, so I generally have to keep up with current hardware and software.

I was hesitant at first with Windows 8, but after the initial 10 seconds of shock (where the %^&@ is the Start menu and desktop!), I have to say that the pro's definitely outweigh the con's.

Unfortunately, most people seem to be either fixated on the removed Start button, or falsely believe that there is no desktop or the desktop has somehow changed. Once you are at the desktop, it is an improved Windows 7.

It only took me a few minutes to remove, hide, or disable as much of the Metro changes as possible. The only real complaints that I have with 8 are: the annoying charms bar and the hidden screen corner hotspots.

After using 8 on one of my workstations for much of this year, I would recommend it to anyone who is building a new PC, especially for some of the pro's:
- Significantly faster startup.
- Larger RAM support per version.
- Multi-monitor Taskbar.
- Significantly better Task Manager.
- File Explorer has a Ribbon bar (I really miss this in 7).
- File History.
- Storage Spaces.
- Improvements to the file and disk system*.
- Integrated Defender and Security Essentials.
- Native USB3 support.
- ...

* Windows 8 saved my data on one of my hard drives. 8 saw the drive was failing and went into 100% Active Time to scan and repair, which was a noticeable warning. I moved the drive to a Windows 7 system and 7 thought the drive was fine, although it was getting slower and slower to access files. Two days later the drive failed with no Windows 7 warning and became unusable due to spreading platter rot.

(cool story bro)...
^ in before anyone else posts that. :p

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SliceAndDice

My tech-savy in-laws just made the switch to Windows 8 and they were complaining about how it was different. They even went so far as to say they wanted to go back to Win 7 and probably wouldn't upgrade from it in the future. Then I chimed in with my 20 years of using Windows perspective with the following assessment: 10 years from now we'll all be using Windows 9 or 10 and will be looking forward to the changes in Windows 11. You're simply not going to be using Windows 7 ten years from now on you brand new computer so you might as well get used to the new interface and move forward. Technology moves forward really fast and we all have to adapt to the changes. I resisted Android for years until I rooted my kindle fire with 4.2.2 and now I know its ins and outs as well as an iphone and WP8. It took me a couple hours to get comfortable with Windows 8 but now I can't go back . I love the Sports, News, Finance and Weather apps and miss them when I'm on a Windows 7 system. Windows 95 was better than 3.1. Windows 98 knew what a 3D accelerator was natively so it trumped 95. 98SE fixed the frequent BSODs. I skipped ME. XP was perfect 12 years ago. XP was a security nightmare 3 years later. Vista fixed the crapware issues and kernel exploits but was plagued with immature driver issues. Windows 7 was perfect. Windows 8 took windows 7's perfection and tried to mold it into a unified tablet/PC platform. Windows 8.1 will fix most of the major issues inherent with such a radical redesign. Windows 9 will further unify the smartphone/tablet/PC/console platforms and will be perfect because we'll all be used to windows 8/8.1 by then.

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PCWolf

Windows 8/8.1: No thanks, Don't need anything it offers.

Windows 9: No More Desktop? NO THANKS!!!

Windows 10: Cloud OS! FU MS!!!!!!!!!

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maxeeemum

LOL!

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PCWolf

heheh

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AFDozerman

Reminds me of 4chan with all the faggotry going on around here.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Hey, no one here is going to judge you for what you're into. The heart wants what the heart wants, and all that.

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PhuxAche

Fook I was harsh!

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PCLinuxguy

8.1 seems a little watered down from the first 8, but not too bad. So far for Windows I'm running the Win8Pro versions on the HTPC and production testing box along with the laptop. No issues whatsoever. Though the issue-free aspect comes from taking the time to learn the new OS and looking forward rather than being one of those that too scared to change.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Cool story, bro.

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PCLinuxguy

Thanks XD

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jgottberg

Damn. It must never get old with you guys. Bitching and moaning about the same stuff for every article pertaining to win8. . It's an operating system designed by Microsoft. It' wasn't a democratic design process by them. They put something out there that they thought was a good product. Whether that's the case or not, I don't know but it's not like MS is going to say they screwed the pooch and redo it. Live it with it or use something else. It really is that simple.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Wow. You like totally put everyone in their place. It must be great having that kind of power.

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jgottberg

lol!

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PhuxAche

Ok then...

How about you develop an outstanding OS?!

No?! I didn't think so!!

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jgottberg

Umm... What?

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PCLinuxguy

People are idiots and the simple fact that you pointed out at the end seems to elude them despite their so called knowledge.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

What's it like being smarter than everyone else? Tell us more about yourself, please!

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PCLinuxguy

it was in regards to his original comment about people complaining about change. People as a whole are stupid, but there are exceptions to that "rule". Stop taking it so personal :)

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PhuxAche

Fact!

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pastorbob

I understand some of the frustration so many people have with Windows 8 and 8.1, though I don't feel any of it myself. I never used the start button/menu in previous versions of Windows so I don't miss it. For me it is a non-issue. I use the same six programs about 95% of the time, so I have shortcuts to them on my taskbar. For those other programs that I use on occasion it is simply a matter of one keystroke and one mouse-click to open them. And I have found Windows 8 to be much faster and more responsive overall in my experience.

But that is my experience. I don't understand why Microsoft chooses to ignore the majority who have asked for a functional start button/menu. The mod in 8.1 that gives users a button to take them to the tiles is akin to thumbing their noses at their customers. One can accomplish the same thing by hitting the Windows key.

Oh well. Still a happy Windows 8 user, but I suspect I am in the minority.

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Baer

Pastorbob, well said. I agree 100%

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riopato

It's probably because they want their users to progress along with them and this whole desktop/start menu BS is really holding them back. It's no wonder why Microsoft is so behind the competition. It's because their user base doesn't like change. Always complaining and offer no real solutions. It's no wonder why Apple and Google are surpassing Microsoft, they don't cater to their user base, they just exploit them and maybe Microsoft should do the same.
The start button/menu and desktop ui is a dying interface which should be regulated to small program accessories where MS DOS and the calculator resides. If Microsoft always responded to criticisms the way they are with windows 8 back in 1990s, users would still be using the dam command prompt!

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maxeeemum

I've said M$ would claim they fixed the problems in Win8 with 8.1. It's all just typical smoke and mirrors marketing to what amounts to SP1. I've been using W8.1 Preview since July and if you didn't like 8 you won't change your mind with 8.1. It's still 8 with a few tweaks.

Microsoft continues to use this OS to try to sell Windows Phone 8 and Tablets. M$ desperately wants to sell smartphones mainly. Just look at what they've been doing lately. They are so desperate that they've thrown their core users under the bus. You know Desktop PC users are now just second class citizens. "Just deal with it or just use Win7 peasants".

But instead of creating their delusional "M$ everything world" they have drove many away and caused more distrust in the company. So M$ don't expect products with "8" or "One" in the title to be big sellers.

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riopato

Your complaint has the same tone and criticism as people who was bashing Windows 95 almost 20 years ago for the confusing interface with too many options.
It's time for a change after 20 years. Adapt or die, Microsoft can't wait for your kind any longer.
When I was a kid, windows took awhile to understand it's concept. When I showed my 8 Year old nephew windows 8, he took to it as if he's been using it for years. This is where PCs are going and there's no stop to it.
BTW You can actually blame Apple for this, not Microsoft.

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maxeeemum

@riopato

It's obvious you did not read or understand anything I wrote. Just got the M$ Kool Aid drinkers standard reply. But you left out that your 80 year old mother has no problem using Win8. LOL!

All that is easy to say but Win8 is still selling worse than Vista and Stardock is making a fortune selling Start8 to those who got stuck with 8 on their new PC. Don't forget the head honchos getting fired or forced out at M$. And...... things are a lot different today than in 1995. Nuff said!

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legionera

and what are the reasons (problems) that drive the people away? Like, specific examples. This is a sincere request.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

The Metro UI should have been entirely optional, similar to the accessibility options already present in Windows. It should never have been forced on business and desktop users.

The Aero interface should never have been abandoned. Same with gadgets.

Unfortunately, the current advertising is a clear measure of Microsoft's commitment to Metro UI going into posterity. They are not going to alter a thing to please customers. Rather, they regard customers as dumb animals that need to be conditioned to like the new interface and ecosystem.

The next phase in Windows evolution, with its walled garden market and subscription requirement, will cement the operating system's doom.

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Fray

The problems that have irritated me are as follows:

1. In the past when I bought a Windows OS upgrade there would be an improvement. I'd enjoy starting afresh, finding the changes and getting a better computer. This time I paid them to make my OS worse than it was before. I was scammed by money-hungry idiots who didn't understand that jumping up and down on their golden goose is definitely not going to produce more golden eggs.
2. They degraded the desktop by removing the gadgets that showed the weather and times around the world. And no, I'm not going to open Metro to look for these alongside 7,000 other rectangles.
3. The Metro apps are retarded in terms of a lack of control. For example, taking away the option to have a dozen programs open on the taskbar. It's ridiculous to think this would help people using a desktop. Hey guys, let's make it into Microsoft Window.
4. I am also aware of, and hate, how they are trying to force people to get used to accepting Metro apps via the Windows store so that Windows 9 might possibly be Windows store only. To this I can only advise raging against the retarded machine.
5. Thank God for Classic Shell which has made Windows 8 bearable by getting rid of almost all Windows 8.
However, it still burns my ass that that I paid Microsoft good money to disappoint me with such a shitty waste of time.

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riopato

It seems what irritates you with windows 8 is really your personal problem because of concepts that you don't agree with. what is stopping you from just installing windows 7 and be done with "Metro" all together?
Frankly I'm happy with all the improvements windows 8 has, for one thing it is faster than any windows 7 os I've used and so far the most expensive new app I've bought this past year was $10 (was a game).
I especially like the fact that a dam pop up ad couldn't infect any malware into the gimped version of ie on my pc and curious fact that I haven't caught one bug so far in the whole year of using it. You can rant about how careful you are when surfing online and follow practices that won't infect yourself but the bottom line is, I didn't have to do all of that and I'm safe as you are.

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poppy211

I am using win 8.1 finel as tecknet user and this is the worst I ever seen the start is phony water down lemon of a start ie 11 I have a lot of trouble with some web sites and ie 11 has a bug or a hacker has input code every 2 to 3 web site I go to a box comes up asking me if the pawn site nudteens.com or vile pawn sites is trying to load I have the 8.1 on 4 computers all are doing the same ie 11 keeps trying to load pawn sites I have run virus checks none found
stay away from this gross failure

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Ninjawithagun

Wow. You're an idiot - through and through. How about next time you intall a decent firewall and anti-virus tool before surfing naughty websites... Blaming Windows 8 for your indiscretions is pure stupidity.

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riopato

I would think a TechNet user would know how to spell and be able to write in sentences. I would also think this user would at least know how to use spell check?!?

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HiGHRoLLeR038

well, that was a long sentence

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michaellstokes

So we ask for a start menu and they give us a dang button to take us to the UI that we've been trying to avoid. I'll go ahead and use StartIsBack from now on.

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legionera

What do you need a start button for?

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Fray

What do I need a start menu for?

I just installed the latest (release candidate) version of Classic Shell. This gives me a nice alphabetized tree menu of the programs I have installed on my computer. I can easily find programs one handed with my mouse - no need to close other programs, no need to type anything, no need to do an endless scroll through pages of uni-level bullshit.

Try it out. It's way superior to Windows 8 and very similar to the superior earlier versions of Windows before they messed it up.

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Ninjawithagun

Uh, you can do this now in Windows 8. What planet are you from? And the search function is much faster then meandering through a list of programs. You really need to be told this, huh? Wow. No wonder why Windows 8 has such a bad reputation...bad users is the problem.

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riopato

That isn't superior, that is just the old way of doing things. I would think going to the start screen and actually typing the name of the program/app is much more efficient instead of digging through virtual folders and subfolders that aren't really there.
I suppose you still have a real filing cabinet in your home office also.

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opticallog

I used the old start menu / button just like this, where I would press the Windows key and then type a few letters of the app / mmc I was looking for, then press enter and launch it after just a few key strokes. Windows 8 has degraded this functionality, because now it filters results into Apps / Settings / Files, and doesn't have the intelligence to identify when you're looking for a setting and just to display that. For example, if you press the windows key then type "Power Options" in Windows 7, The Power Options item in Control Panel is displayed and you can press enter and open up the Power Options. If you do the same thing in Windows 8, the OS returns "No apps match your search." This is of course despite the fact that there are 9 results under the Settings sub-section of the search results, that Windows 8 can't be bothered to intelligently display for me. So if I want to get to power options, my keystrokes go from Windows Key->Power O->Enter to "Windows Key->Power O->Down Arrow->Down Arrow->Enter->Enter". This is true for every part of the OS that Windows considers a "Setting" and not an App, as well as for all of your files.

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PCLinuxguy

Classic ID 10 T error from the End User side of the machine.

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Ninjawithagun

Nice! Way to go riopato...you hit it right on! The problem is not Windows 8...the problem is the user who doesn't take the time to properly learn how to use the OS. I have Windows 8 Pro installed on both of my high end gaming systems and LOVE IT. I have zero issues with either installation. I actually upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 8. It took me a little over a month to really get used to the interface. But once I died, there was no going back to Windows 7...nuff said!

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hypersonic

I knew 8.1 start menu was going to be watered down and I was right. Although Win8 is better than 7 it isn't by much.
If want to get straight to work & enjoy simplicity with all the bugs taken out with unbelievable stability then go with win7, if you like bells & whistles while still exploring a new system then go with 8.
The price for win8 is a rip off.
It should be $40 because we are worth it !
P.S: Win7 is the last of its kind, so take the opportunity & grab it before its gone forever !

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Ninjawithagun

Actually, Windows 8 Pro sold for $40 last year on pre-order. Don't blame Microsoft because you didn't buy a copy then. Then published several warning prior to the official release and told customers that the price for Windows 8 would increase dramatically from the pre-order price. Needless to say, you have no basis for a complaint. You were warned and you ignored that warning. So now, you are paying up because of that mistake. I bought a copy of Windows 8 Pro off of amazon.com for a whopping $40 during pre-order sales. I then bought another copy of Windows 8 Pro off of ebay for $50. Nuff said!

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nivek999

I've been using Windows 8 since last January. I've yet to find anything that Windows 7 can do and that 8 can't. The people who are crying about 8 refuse to spend the 15 minutes it takes to navigate the new operating system. Metro could be improved, but the Windows 8 desktop is vastly superior to 7. Stop whining spend a few minutes changing the settings around to your liking and your experience will but much better. If you want to bitch about learning a new operating system, go try Linux.

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nivek999

I've been using Windows 8 since last January. I've yet to find anything that Windows 7 can do and that 8 can't. The people who are crying about 8 refuse to spend the 15 minutes it takes to navigate the new operating system. Metro could be improved, but the Windows 8 desktop is vastly superior to 7. Stop whining spend a few minutes changing the settings around to your liking and your experience will but much better. If you want to bitch about learning a new operating system, go try Linux.

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Engelsstaub

Regarding trying and getting used to different OSes like Linux: I nearly lost my freaking mind as a novice-user of Fedora for a month a few years ago. One of these days I'm going to give it another try....but not before I get some anger management or something.

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jgottberg

I've been using Mint 15 - seems decent enough.

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PCLinuxguy

Fedora is o.k., OpenSuse is a little better. I'm more on the Debian side of the fence,and versed nicely in apt-get rather than yum. Eventually I may try running ArchLinux again.

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davelray

Fedora used to be ok..... now its just a mess. Mint has been really decent of late if you are in to Linux.