Valve's Second Big Reveal is a Steam Box Prototype with Third Party Steam Machines to Follow

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UgLyStYk13

Valve is essentially creating a PC gaming "console" which will bridge the gap between traditional console gamers, and PC gamers. They are going to completely change the gaming industry with linux being the backbone. No longer will you have to buy windows as an added cost to your gaming machines. All software will be optimized for gaming purposes. As a console gamer looks at a steam box, it will be more familiar and less scary because they will not be overwhelmed with the confusion that accompanies traditional gaming computers. They dont understand the need to upgrade a machine so they want a machine that simply works. ValveOS will be THE operating system to game on whether you are a casual game pad couch gamer or a hard core PC gamer with a $3,000 machine. Gamers of all kinds can unite for the first time in the history of gaming. Embrace the vision!!!!!!! Support Valve and they will lead us to the gaming grace land!!!!!!!

Oh, and outsourcing the steam boxes themselves will create competition between the builders keeping pricing down and will push for different options at varying degrees of graphical power and speed. I would imagine that the base level machines will play most....if not all games produced at graphic detail/FPS comparable to the xbox one and PS4. Yes, games for linux suck right now due to lack of support. But if this catches on......like it will, you now have an open source operating system designed specifically for gaming in which any producer can create games for. They could essentially abandon windows all together. And there will be no need for anybody to get upset or feel abandoned if they are still running windows because SteamOS will be FREE and be able to dual boot just like Ubuntu or XBMC.

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xeones

i can't see who would want to buy one of these if they are limited to only linux titles. Have you checked the the lineup of linux games available on steam lately? Seriously it's quite grim and nowhere near ready to support a dedicated piece of hardware.

There's not much on linux yet that I want to play anyways.

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Ghok

I like to game on my PC, and I need my PC to be powerful for things other than gaming, so I don't see the point for another box. It's all good though, I buy almost all my games on Steam, so any other product I can access them from is good.

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UgLyStYk13

Thats the beauty of it, keep your machine and dual boot windows and valveOS. The steambox itself is to convert console gamers.

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Ghok

Oh, and if this (and it most certainly will, if not solely from Valve) gets me more games developed with local co-op? That's a huge win for me, I buy games specifically because they work as local co-op, even if they're not that good.

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Granite

I can see this stuff from Valve putting a dent in the console market...at least with the people who want to be able to tweak their systems. I don't think you can really do that with a console...right? Those who are not interested in tweaking their systems probably won't be interested.

But PC gamers...especially Windows users...already have the ability to do everything this SteamBox/SteamOS stuff can do, and more. (except, right now, streaming games over a network) I don't see anything here that interests me.

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Obsidian

Looking forward to seeing how well the "in-home streaming" feature will work. Although this very clearly means TWO boxes are needed, mo' hardware, mo' money, mo' problems. Still, it would be interesting to see. I have wired gigabit to every TV and room in my house so wireless performance isn't important regarding this feature, but streaming interface commands and at least 1080p video through even wired networking protocol without lag is going to be an interesting feat to witness.

I wonder if the gaming workhorse Windows PC will be able to have a different user on the system while someone is streaming a game to SteamOS. (This could be answered in the forums or FAQ already, I didn't check.) Wonder how hard the Steam Box will work as far as energy efficiency while streaming.

This is also very telling regarding the continued support for Windows products. There must be a virtualization client of some sort running on the Windows box for streamed gaming to function.

I wonder if Steam users will finally be able to be logged in at two places at once. I wonder if there can be any number of streaming Steam Boxes in my network?

Lots of questions, answers will be revealed once the hardware and OS reaches the hands of gamers and reviewers. Pretty nice gaming news.

Now give me some Grand Theft Auto 5 love on the Steam service. Rockstar needs to take my money.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

I'm more interested in an alternative to a subscription-based Windows operating system. I want to know if the SteamOS will find its way to the PC, or if it's destined to live in a console I'll never use.

I don't do consoles. Mouse and keyboard, until I die.

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PCLinuxguy

the steam machines will be PCs :)

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Obsidian

Steam Box isn't a console, it's a Linux computer. It will use a keyboard and mouse just like every Linux install since the dawn of that operating system. Valve said users can build our own rigs if we want and the SteamOS is free.

I have a PC connected to and placed next to a TV, this doesn't make it a console. It would be nice to be able to dual boot that system to try this option out.

I know very few console gamers any more, I'm with you brother, I favor a mouse over a controller stick any day for most of the games I enjoy.

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Nixon

I don't have 10 friends. :(

Sounds really interesting. This might be beside the point, but I do wonder just how possibly well games will run (provided that video drivers are good) without the numerous background processes found in Windows? It doesn't really seem like Windows is causing any performance impact issues for me. Perhaps if I was running on old hardware?

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ShawnO.

Just finished the requirements to be entered. As of tonight I have a 1 in 300 shot out of 77k people.

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Panwo1

Don't need nor want a dedicated steam box.

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CaptainFabulous

And you won't be forced to buy one. Your point?

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Caboose

He wants something to bitch about.

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Neufeldt2002

Love this from the Questions section of the page.

Q: Can I hack this box? Run another OS? Change the hardware? Install my own software? Use it to build a robot?
A: Sure.

Q: Can I download the OS to try it out?
A: You will be able to download it (including the source code, if you're into that) but not yet.

That should alleviate some fears of it being a closed ecosystem, although I wouldn't be surprised if there are some proprietary bits in there.

Edit: Also seems that there won't be a NDA attached to this.

Q: Will beta testers be allowed to share info about their experience and post pictures and opinions online?
A: Yes, that really is the whole point. The input from testers should come in many forms: bug reports, forum posts, concept art, 3D prints, haikus, and also very publicly stated opinions.

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MaximumMike

So, where's the "Steam Box is vaporware" troll hiding?

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PCLinuxguy

I'm not a troll, and I did say that elsewhere on here once. to be a troll one would have to just be negative and spout that it's vaporware all the time etc etc.. IMO I'll believe it when I see it. Not that i'm trying to say it'll never happen/vaporware/etc, but alot of us have been waiting for HL3 from Vale for a very long time and while they do follow through on things, they seem to not follow through on bigger or more requested things. I'm looking to be pleasantly surprised by Valve while trying not to get my hopes up if they don't follow through. No Expectations = No Dissapointment

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MaximumMike

I wasn't talking about you. There's a troll who shows up on every article related to consoles and rants about how superior they are to PC's. He always manages to fit some ridiculous comment about the steam box being vaporware into his rant. But he's seemingly absent from this discussion.

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jgottberg

@MaximumMike - I think you mean Warrior247 or something like that lol. At first it was amusing how steadfast he held on to a losing argument but the act got pretty old.

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MaximumMike

Yea, that's the one. Obnoxious guys like him never show up to eat their crow.

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jbitzer

That's because warrior got banned.

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MaximumMike

That explains it.

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PCLinuxguy

and here we spent all day slaving over a warm PC to get it cooked just right.

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legionera

"...IMO I'll believe it when I see it."

We are not psychiatrists bud! We can't solve your mental issues. But you definitely could try to behave nicer and show some respect to the others when you comment.

Apology accepted! ;D

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Neufeldt2002

@PCLinuxguy, I don't think he was talking about you. I don't remember who it was exactly (I think it was Warrio or something like that), but there is/was a commenter that was adamant that there was never going to be a Steam Box.

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legionera

@ Neufeldt2002
He definitely meant him.

http://www.maximumpc.com/steamos_first_valves_three_big_reveals2013

PCLinuxguy
September 24, 2013 at 7:18am

and you are hating. so what? :)
Right now it's all vaporware and not worth getting irked about until it's real .

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PCLinuxguy

AH. Thanks for the clarification. However I have been guilty of saying the same thing before, and I know at time I may come off as rather trollish.

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andrewc513

I know the "Half Life 3 is coming" thing gets old year after year... But seriously, if there was ever a time to announce HL3, it's NOW, as a Steam/SteamOS exclusive (for a few months at least, before a delayed console release).

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FrancesTheMute

I think they still have one more big announcement on Friday, still hope for a HL3 announcement!

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UgLyStYk13

If they did HL3 for linux in support for the new OS and Steam machine..........it would do for Valve what the original HALO did for xBox!!!! lets see if my prediction is right!!!

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Timberbeast

IT would be cool if Nvidia made a deal with Steam for the steam boxes, like AMD did for the consoles. It would get us steam boxes with good GPU cheaper than we could get on our own.

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HiGHRoLLeR038

no link to the announcement page?

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Paul_Lilly

The Valve FAQ link at the bottom of the article takes you to the announcement page (the FAQ portion is towards the bottom).

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vrmlbasic

Wait a sec, the Steam box will have different "levels" of performance?! That defeats one of the key tenets of consoles.

So Valve itself is making the prototype Steam boxes but is relying on 3rd parties to make the real deal?

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Caboose

But it's not really a console. It's a Gaming PC.

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PCLinuxguy

Current steambox being offered in the market: Alienware X51 with Ubuntu for $699

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jgottberg

This goes back to my previous post on the same subject... This is nothing more than a console running Linux.

For most hardcore gamers, they want the flexibility to tune and upgrade their boxes to run the latest games at the best frame rates, textures, etc.. If one has to buy a preconfigured SteamOS box or conform to a "supported hardware" list, why wouldn't I just buy an Xbox or a PS3??

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CaptainFabulous

I guess you missed the part about being able to use any hardware you want. Perhaps you should read before opening your mouth. It would prevent the taste of smelly feet.

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jgottberg

And I guess you missed the part of Linux and it's lack of driver support. btw, nice rainbow.

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CaptainFabulous

Linux has been around for a long time. Driver support is not really an issue. And Valve did say they were working on special GPU, sound, and input drivers, so they've got that covered.

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Obsidian

I mentioned this same issue in the other announcement thread. I wonder if SteamOS has some genius team of experts working this out. I realize it's just a USB input device but it would be kind of amusing using an XBox 360 controller on a Linux instal (although I think they already have some support for the wired version).

Drivers will become very important for the future of this platform. It would be horribly unwise to spend $300-$1000 on a Steam Box that didn't support all the major hardware gaming accessories; steering wheels, game pads, mice, keyboards, bluetooth, RF wireless like Logitech devices still use, flight sticks, pedals, push-to-talk headsets. Future products like the Oculus Rift and/or other VR headsets or multi-monitor support.

Sadly I will only believe this works when I see it working or reviewed as such. Linux and gaming are about as synonymous as Apple and gaming at this point. I really think Valve can change that, but it's going to take some seriously inspired development. If any of that was easy Linux contributors would have done them by now.

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jgottberg

This is exactly my point. The Windows-based peripheral support is light years ahead of Linux right now and probably the foreseeable future. I'd be royally pissed if I bought a SteamOS PC to play a flight sim only to find out that the peripheral wasn't supported.

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MaximumMike

Yea, but those peripherals don't even exist on consoles. So, at least with a steam box you have a chance. I don't think the steam box will kill Windows gaming for many of the reasons you and others already mentioned. But it is a welcome edition to the gaming marketplace. And once the platform matures, I could really see it becoming the more viable option.

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jgottberg

@Max - No, the consoles don't but then none of the console games require them either. If Steam is really going to make their entire game library available, which I'm sure includes games that use those peripherals, then they'll need to have support for them.

I don't have a vested interest either way - just questioning the viability of it.

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MaximumMike

I think it's viable. If paid developers can write those drivers for Windows, I see no reason why equally competent paid developers couldn't write some for Steam OS. But we'll see what happens as the platform matures. Like you, I really have no vested interest, but I do think it's an interesting platform and will pay attention to where it goes.

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jgottberg

very true with driver development... IMO, that is going to be what makes this platform sink or swim.

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Timberbeast

If I bought a console then I would have to buy all new games to play on it. If it is a steam box then I would have access to all of my pc games. I would also be able to upgrade the box any time I want with out having to wait on the next console to come out.

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jgottberg

I dunno... If I had to get a new box to play games on, why would I spend $700 for a low-end SteamOS PC to play games on when I could build a similar Windows-based PC that runs all of the software I've already purchased? Especially when I can install the Steam client and have access to all of Steam's content anyway? I just don't get it.

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CaptainFabulous

Again... READ. You're completely missing the point. SteamOS will be available to anyone who wants to put it on any hardware they choose. They will ALSO be selling pre-configured boxes with SteamOS on it, for those that want the functionality without having to build their own rigs.

You don't get it cause you clearly haven't read anything about it.