Valve Updates SteamOS Beta to Support Dual-Booting

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maleficarus™

Anyone that puts down what Steam is trying to do is not a true PC gamer! Do you guys realize Steam more or less saved PC gaming? Actualy come to think of it Steam saved Nvidia as well! AMD saved ATi with the merger. You idiots need to support Steam and stop with the negative crap or one day all you might have to choose from is an Xbox and a Playstation!! And if that comes true then they control everything right down to when we can upgrade and how much we pay to play games online! Stop being idiots and look past the end of your nose...

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aarcane

I'll just leave this here and walk away...

http://directhex.github.io/steamos-installer/

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H1N1theI

SteamBoxes/SteamOS won't matter unless they can manage to subvert the bootstrap paradox (Users won't come unless you have software, software doesn't come until you have users). Unless Steam suddenly supports WINE emulation, I can't see that happening.

It's also a massive developer problem, see the disparity between DirectX and GL, and how developers choose DirectX over GL (don't get me wrong, both are massive piles of shit, but DirectX is just a slightly more standardized and "newer" pile of shit, seeing 1/2 of GL-based apps have only support for GL 2.1, and don't even get me started on GL Extensions), the C# + XNA framework, and the fact that, well, linux drivers are terrible, hell, half of the nouvaeu drivers are likely blackbox reverse engineering.

Unless Valve decides to write their own drivers and provide linux devkits (speaking of which, an alternative to cygwin/mingw would be appricated), and start actually investing in the linux software ecosystem (E.G. commits to winehq, have linux-based SDKs), the SteamBox/SteamOS will not truely take off.

I'd still like the controller though. :U

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aarcane

Wow. 2000 called. They want their review back.

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jbitzer

Can't wait for a page and a half of comments about how SteamOS and steamboxes are the dumbest things ever and Valve should die in a fire.

Don't let me down guys, it's a slow day.

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Joe The Plummer

It's not necessarily about being right or wrong. I was super excited when Gaben announced SteamOS. I was thinking, finally! The problem is their vision, or lack thereof. It's apparent he doesn't want to challenge the existing ecosystem for whatever reason. It appears more like he's trying to increase the Linux install base and then turn to developers and say "hey there is a large Linux install base to cater to, please make your games compatible from the jump".

That's not going to happen because there is no compelling reason to jump to SteamOS over Windows with Steam. Plus EA has Origin and none of EA's games I'm aware of run on Linux. Ubisoft has their system and again, I don't think any of their games run on Linux. Maybe he can convince Ubisoft, but not EA nor Blizzard or Sony and their many MMO games.

Valve's only shot is as the Ars article says is to offer exclusives. If they made Half Life 3, Left 4 Dead 3 and Team Fortress 3 and released them all exclusively on SteamOS they would immediately create a market of at least 300k-500k SteamOS users in a matter of weeks. That would get the attention of a lot of developers.

Unfortunately the article quotes Valve employees saying that's not going to happen. Thus SteamOS is most likely not going to work. It will occupy the status of those before it. Can anyone say Linspire?

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jbitzer

I don't think it's the problem you think it is. If you recall 15 or so years ago, ES wan't going to make games on xbox1.

What got people away from PC gaming was the difficulty of maintaining and setting up your PC, as well as the influx of non techncal users from nintendo and sega. What Valve is hoping to bring back is the ability to play games beyond the mandatory 5 year life cycle of consoles. What do the current gen consoles do that couldn't have been done on last gen ones? better graphics? woooo woooo! a $200 graphics upgrade looks a lot more attractive than a $500 system that you need all new accessories and none of your old games work on.

I look at it like every evolution of steam. When steam came out with HL2, it was shit, and I vowed never to buy another Valve game again.

Look at it now.

People like John P and others on here are comparing a frigging beta to consoles that have been in deve for 5+ years and have had consumer release. I'm looking forward to the day I have 1 powerhouse PC, and 4-5 NUCs or something similar that are essentially a dumb terminal for streaming games and media, that all use the same accessories, and don't have to pay goddamned xbox live fees to watch netflix.

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Joe The Plummer

Don't want to disappoint one's blind devotion to a company in business to make a profit.

Analysis: Why SteamOS probably won’t cause a PC gaming revolution:
Valve lacks many compelling reasons for Windows gamers to make the switch.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/01/analysis-why-steamos-probably-wont-cause-a-pc-gaming-revolution/

I agree with most everything the article puts forth.

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jbitzer

Yeah joe, profit is BAD!!!!!!!

Or, how about I'm excited to hook up a cheap little crapbox to my TV instead of having to use a PC full of expensive parts.

But don't let my ability to see possibilities of a platform rain on the parade of hatred you tards got for it.

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legionera

Your hatred standards have escalated. Every potential comment becomes hatred. Don't let the rage control your life. devote yourself to something more meaningful like drugs and alcohol.

SteamOS and box sux

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Carlidan

What hatred? Every post I've read at the moment are constructive criticism. I guess criticizing something equates to hatred these days. :(

I'll be going install Steam OS when they get AMD gfx support. Or did they? I'll check it out like most people here.

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John Pombrio

Thank you for the link, Joe. I too agree with the article. The two upshots for having a Steam box from the Ars article is game streaming and no cost for the Windows license. With a $600 computer, the cost of Win 8 is a small part (don't really need Pro), and no one has seen streaming work yet, have they?

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jbitzer

Streaming works. Not great, but it's beta. I found some issues with the mouse minimizing the screen when in bioshock infinite's menus as if it wasn't capturing mouse input in the game, but using it to look around and aim worked fine.

The sound is somewhat muted for some reason, but it might be that I don't have the options tuned. Something about the visuals were giving me a headache, though it looked good.

This is of course on an i7 laptop with a 770. I really want to try it on a low power machine, but can't find my netbook. This was also over wifi, I was getting between 30-60 fps. Nothing magical, but good enough for a TV display.

Borderlands 2 looked horrible, low res, bad framerate. Same with Skyrim.

When I restarted bioshock after those two the mouse issue cleared up.

I have to play with it more to see why the res and FR are terrible for some games. Probably because I know BL2 and Skyrim are resource hogs, but I don't want to rule out my configuration.

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Carlidan

No one is saying that Steam doesn't work. Most people and I think it will not suede most PC Gamers to switch. Or that it will gain traction. I could be wrong.

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jbitzer

I actually just got the invite today, so I'll let you know how it works when I get a chance.

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JosephColt

Joe is right, but I think the OS itself is a good choice as an alternative to Windows for the future.

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H1N1theI

I disagree in that situation, Linux isn't a particularly good OS for everything, as I'd rather have Hurd take over.

A far fetched dream, but a man can dream.