Updated Microsoft Privacy Policy Details What Xbox One Is Recording

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samduhman

"How will you be spending your launch day with it?"

This is assuming everyone is buying one. I'm not and never planning on it. My boy got a 360 and it gathered dust in our house. That's one reason, its boring as hell compared to our gaming pcs. Another is I refuse to pay the rental fee (xbox live) every year.

So now they are adding another layer where your privacy is in danger. Who in their right mind that have a family, many of which are non technical would have this ilk of a device in their home? I know fanboys will justify the invasion of their home/privacy just so they can play a game but everyone else should avoid it like the plague.

Like someone else said. Kids these days are being conditioned to believe its ok for the gov/corps to spy on them. Its up to the grownups to educate them about person freedom and privacy before its to late.

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germanogre

Once enough people have bought them, they'll just change the policy.
The only reason I want one is because most of my friends are on Live. They don't want to bother building a gaming pc.
I can imagine some kind of home security app that utilizes the Kinect. That could be useful to me.

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Sons Of Mogh

No good.Why would they need to view what a person is doing in their enviroment? On xbox 1 Launchday I'll be on kz on ps4!

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Jasker

If they keep making games on 360, which I think they will for longer than have supported outdated consoles in the past, I may never. Steam has fulfilled almost all of my gaming needs. I can probably just suck it up and skip console exclusives in the future and be fine.

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carage

"you probably won't want to sit around in the nude while playing"

Hmm...I don't typically play games naked but I typically play games in my underwear while slouching on my couch. Not something I would do while being watched.
That's strike one for Xbone in my book.

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Modroneman

Everyone's like, "OMG, Microsoft is watching me!"
I'm like, "I can turn my MF'ing Xbox on with my voice!"

My preorder is in. I have a kick ass $1,200 PC and I still want consoles! I want all the games!

Besides! Your laptop camera or netcam has been spying on you for years! MWahahahaha!

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Nothing a single piece of opaque tape or poster putty can't fix.

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lordfirefox

Yeah but you can unplug and disabled webcams.

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Arthur Dent

You can also switch off and unplug Kinect, so your point is invalid.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/12/4615458/disconnect-kinect-and-xbox-one-will-still-work

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AFDozerman

Come to think of it, I think i'll get an Xbone and game naked in front of it just to let MS know what I think of them...

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lordfirefox

"It's not long now until the Xbox One is released. How will you be spending your launch day with it?"

By not buying one and sitting back laughing at the people with day 1 launch issues. Of which there will be many.

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MrHasselblad

For the most part - incorrect.

It's already been tested "fully loaded", the system works. One has to also remember how many consoles will be out there during both initial release and also for the remainder of this year.

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bigrigross

Yeah that sounds familiar. I went through 4 RROD's before I finally got a working one. I preorded my 360 and it went out on the second shipment. There will be issues and no one can say otherwise. A room full of 32 fully maxed out Xbox Ones is one thing. 1 Million Xbox ones in different environments and usage amounts is another.

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firefox91

"and you probably won't want to sit around in the nude while playing."

So they are capturing images off the Kinect camera and sending them back to Microsoft? What supposedly legitimate reason could they possibly have for that one?

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

"But that's all pretty basic."

It's sad how much privacy people are perfectly willing to give up, while considering the whole affair normal or reasonable.

It's not. Shame young people are being conditioned to live without basic privacy. You don't even expect it in the sanctity of your own home, now.

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MrHasselblad

Watch and/or read The Shadow Factory.

Privacy has not existed for well over ten years now; even in ones home.

Regardless of level of computer proficiency, any attempts to try to bypass "the system", etc... That I assure everyone out there, most every keystroke can be monitored live, screened, and even rather completely logged.

There is literally no way around it

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dgrmouse

Well stated, Rus.

The most core axiom of good security (of any sort) is the principle of least privilege. If a game doesn't need to scan your body, face, voice, report your usage habits, gameplay patterns, or tie in to an online identity for the purpose of providing gameplay, then it shouldn't. Just because it is possible to build a sensor in my refrigerator (perhaps with the overt claim that a weather display-panel, coupon locator, or dietary aid is a worthwhile feature) that will report to GE what I store in the device, how often I open it, how often I walk by, etc, doesn't mean it should be done or that GE has the right to collect such information. Everything should be on a need-to-know basis, and we should be able to depend on our operating platforms (OS, game devices, whatever) to help protect our information. Instead, Microsoft absolutely insists on betraying our trust and our security.

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legionera

...And I was planning to organize a Drunk and Naked kinect party... (for real)

now... I doubt that will happen

If you turn off the wifi and remove the network cable, will that prevent any kinect recordings? That qs applies also for 360s kinect as well.

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Sons Of Mogh

Throw a towel over it!

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dgrmouse

legionera asked, "If you turn off the wifi and remove the network cable, will that prevent any kinect recordings?"

Any information that the XBox collects can be cached and uploaded to MS and its partners the next time you connect for a mandatory update, download, etc.

With respect to the Kinect, the only way to disable it is through its use; this doesn't provide much solace for those that want nothing to do with it.

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Volleynova

About 10 of my friends are going XBOX One, only 1 is going PS4.

XBOX has a larger following than Internet Forums or Internet Data reveals.

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Renegade Knight

Xbox doesn't have a bigger following than internet (aka market share) data reveal.

I would fully expect groups of friends to get the same console. Overall though it's a fairly even match.

My family is 1/3 PS3 and 2/3 Xbox and 100% not getting a next gen console at release.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

14 weeks....

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Engelsstaub

This is likely true. A lot of my XBL-friends don't want to switch because they want to keep their gamerscores/achievements and all that stuff. I don't care about achievements anymore. I did for maybe the first year but the only thing that may keep me on XBL is the possibility that none of my friends will switch. I'm personally sick of Microsoft (when it comes to the XBox.)

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Drew7

PS4 will be the winner in this round... By a huge margin. Personally, I'm a PC gamer at this point. However, I have "gone console" on occasion. And I do have a new apartment with a livingroom which hasn't been decked-out, yet. I like to go with what's cutting edge, as far as gaming consoles go. I got the original XBOX because it was cutting edge at the time compared to the PS2. Then I went with the 360 because although the "Cell" processor was superior to the 360 CPU, the GPU in the 360 was superior for gaming in the XBOX 360; Over time, screen shot comparisons showed that. I have never owned a Sony product for gaming. But this time, I think it's time to go with Sony; The hardware is more cutting edge, it's cheaper, and they do have a solid reputation for gaming, so their library is awesome. My advice to Microsoft; THINK FOR YOURSELVES IN THE HARDWARE DEPARTMENT. You guys obviously tried to copy Sony to the T on this next console, except you UNDER-powered yourselves (probably in an attempt to avoid infringement lawsuits). And it's a shame, too, as I was once an XBOX fan-boy (sigh).

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kixofmyg0t

A lot of my friends are getting PS4's this time. Even ones that were solely entrenched into the Xbox ecosystem. I don't know of a single person that is getting a Xbox One.

I'm getting a PS4 on lauch day. If you want the widest selection of games, PS4 and PC is the way to go. You can get all the Xbox One games(if they're worth anything)on PC and the PS4 is by far the better console.

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devin3627

32mb esram can be utilized by anything though. including texture bandwidth. its up to developers to utilize it. you are right thought. PC gaming and ps4 are similar in nature. xbox one take a "console" invented their own esram which has always been around but nobody uses it because its expensive. the esram actually a pump that forces more out of a pipeline. let me remind you the DDR is shared by cpu and gpu. a lot of magic can come out 32mb esram even though it is small.

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kixofmyg0t

ESRAM isn't at all like a "pump that forces more out of a pipline". How high were you when you thought that one up!?!?

It doesn't matter in the end how much "magic" you can get out of that little 32MB. It's absolutely dwarfed by the PS4's 8GB of GDDR5. Even if you combine the Xbox One's maximum memory bandwidth and add the esram after....it's STILL laughably outclassed by the PS4's memory.

esram provides no actual benefits. It only makes development harder for the system.

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Drew7

Another caveat of the XBOX One is that you can NOT replace the internal HDD with a larger one. According to various online sources, you CAN hot-swap the HDD in the PS4... Even with an SSD. The PS4 can be coupled with laptop drives. The PS4 ALSO has quite a bit larger amount of bandwidth. From Tech Radar: "Then there's memory bandwith. The PS4 packs 8GB of GDDR5 running at 5.5GHz data rate and thus packs 176GB/s of bandwidth. The Xbox One? 8GB of DDR3 at 2.13GHz and thus just 68.33GB/s. Oh dear.". SO~ Take all of that bandwidth from the PS4, and couple THAT with an SSD. Talk about RAW POWER. And since Sony went with GDDR5, that 32 MB of ESRAM is not going to be enough to compensate. Especially if there's an SSD present ;)

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AFDozerman

I'll be surprised if they sell a single console.

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Jasker

Really? A single console. Really?

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ziggyinc

But,..... what if I want to game in the nude. A computer game should not have the right to tell me no.

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Engelsstaub

I've had a 360 since it launched but I may be switching this time. Can someone remind me what the point of the Kinect is? If few games use it for any meaningful input then it just seems like a way for Microsoft to get in the business of creepily collecting data and advertising to us. They already obnoxiously enough advertise to paying XBL Gold customers with irrelevant Mountain Dew ads and crap via their 360 dashboards.

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legionera

Apparently you've never had drunk kinect parties. You are MISSING A LOT!

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Engelsstaub

I used to play Uno with friends on the old XBox Vision Camera* and not one hour went by where some random little bastard wouldn't pop into our game just to show us his butthole and leave.

* The XB Vision Camera was an accessory that MS sold us specifically for certain functionalities and then they took said functionalities away so they could sell us the stupid Kinect too. Can't video chat with it either now. Apparently the only thing it's good for at this point is sending picture messages.

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legionera

I meant offline - a group of people at your place.

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Paper Jam

Right there with you, brother. The idea of hands-free interactions through the Kinect is a neat one, but the possibilities for abuse by MS and hackers for data mining and outright spying are too many to be ignored. And I will always be displeased with MS for what they have done to the dashboard and their paying subscribers with all the advertising they shove down our throat.

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devin3627

im sharing the same feelings about xbox one.