Ubuntu Boss Full of Praise for Microsoft’s 'Design Vision'

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maxeeemum

Of course Shuttleworth is praising M$! Why??? They both have embraced the delusional concept of one OS for everything.

That's why so many have stopped using Ubuntu and Windows 8 is meeting so much resistance. Only the Ubuntu and M$ sheep will blindly follow!

And that's why I now use Linux Mint and Windows 7!

This crowdfund will fail! I will not donate!

Don't worry people! This foolishness will pass!

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PCLinuxguy

Maybe I'm daft, but I don't understand this one thing.. If a person really likes/liked Ubuntu but detests Unity, why switch to a different distro? Ubuntu does come in other flavors besides unity, such as XFCE, LXDE, and KDE (or you can add other window managers to it other than the official ones) to switch to instead of jumping ship completely.
I mean it'd be like "I don't like the wheels that came on my car so instead of getting different ones, I'll just get a different car."

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H1N1theI

It's a symbolic form of boycotting, if you don't like it, you don't use it, you don't recommend it. Also, none of those are canonical-sponsored variants, so I don't count them as "ubuntu". It's like counting it as Debian.

That being said, I take great offense at the actions of canonical, especially with Unity and Ubuntu One, and using Kubuntu or Lubuntu would only negate one of those issues.

That's I was an Arch user.

APT and Unity has nothing on Pacman and Cinnamon.

EDIT: Apparently Kubuntu is supported by canonical.

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PCLinuxguy

if it's a symbolic case of boycotting, then everyone who hates the XBoxOne should be switching to linux or OSX instead of Windows as a way to boycott MS for their console.

Kubuntu and the like are other respins, but one could still install another DE on Ubuntu itself as well (such as cinnamon). i.m.h.o. I'm not a fan of cinnamon or Mate as Gnome 2 replacements, as Gnome 3 is pretty good but I've found XFCE to work better for me as a Gnome 2 replacement, especially on older laptops.

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H1N1theI

Fair enough.

I've personally found that I cannot stand any other DE except cinnamon, but it's sadly just so unstable.

I believe Canonical lost the Linux way, and they took Ubuntu along with them, I used to respect Ubuntu 10.04 as a nice beginner *NIX install, but now I've turned to advising Mint and Deb instead of Ubuntu.

I suppose there is a large degree of personal preference, but I personally would advise people away from Ubuntu, due to this unease I feel for letting a distro have almost proprietary software made just for it.

Ubuntu font, Ubuntu one, Unity, and so on. I can understand Unity, but to me, Canonical has overstepped the line a few times.

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PCLinuxguy

Fair enough =) I can definitely see where you're coming from. Though I still like the unity UI. On my server I use Debian with Ubuntu on the desktop.laptop. Though tempted to move the laptop to fedora dual booted with mint so i can mess around with it, as the laptop is a testbed machine.
Ah yes 10.04. Loved that version of Ubuntu, along with 9.10 and 10.10. Until 12.04 Unity was too unstable for me to use, and 13.04 is feeling a bit bloated and heavy even on pretty good hardware (i5-680 gtx 470 8gb ram, but I'll be upgrading soon).

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jgottberg

No, I just think you're smarter than the average Linux user. They don't understand that various builds and mods can come from the same vendor (Ubuntu). It's not like Windows where it's all developed by Microsoft so Windows 8 is Windows 8, is Windows 8. There isn't DICE Windows and stuff like that.

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PCLinuxguy

Thank you jgottberg and Engelsstaub for the replies. it's good to know I'm not crazy by having those thoughts! =)

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Engelsstaub

It's ridiculous. It is nearly nothing to change the Unity UI to something else in Ubuntu. It's easy to disable the Unity Shopping Lens as well. Linux users are supposed to be savvy and some of them, that litter message boards with their snimperings and evidence of ineptitude, ironically can't be bothered to Google "disable Unity shopping lens" for the simple Terminal command.

People just like to whine and piss and moan. They expect Ubuntu to do everything their way, for freaking free---"no Shopping Lens or any other attempt at making a living!"

One obviously does have choice both within and without Ubuntu. People just like to get all indignant and act like there's some noble purpose to whatever OS they choose. ...and then there's the FOSS-zealots.

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Shaharil Ahmad

Nice os and nice vision.
Cogratulation to comunity that has come this far. This is really something amazing for a community to come together and built gadjet for everyone. Something that cannot achieve without unity, passion and love.

Nice!

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DeltaFIVEengineer

I don't think there is any revolutionary "design vision" coming from anyone. Basic shapes and vibrant colors filling the screen isn't much of a vision.

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VanDaMan

Umm, yeah. I used to like Ubuntu but Unity has changed so much from when I did like it, that I had to switch to Linux Mint to get something I enjoyed using.

Windows 8 has some nice stuff under the hood, but they really needed to have given us a "classic" mode start menu, so we could gradually transition over to the new "metro" style start screen. I am using it on my gaming pc but in order to enjoy the experience I installed start8.

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Gezzer

+1
Totally agree.

It's not the vision so much for me, it's the way MS went about it. It's the same "deal with it" bit that they tried as a tactic with the Xbone.
Anyone I know from enthusiast to novice that has used a previous Windows and then ends up with 8 in a non touch environment finds it very cumbersome and unintuitive. After all it's a touch centric OS.

As the old saying goes you get more flies with honey than vinegar. If MS had made Windows 8 with a start up choice of either the regular desktop or the new touch interface and also allowed apps to run in windows on the desktop (Stardock has shown this can work) everyone would of upgraded. Then they could make Windows 9 very similar to our current Win8, and finally eliminate the desktop in Windows 10.
IMHO there wouldn't of been nearly the reaction that there has been because it would of been a gradual change. Instead MS got lazy and heavy handed so they told us this is your new windows so "deal with it". Some did, and great for them. Me don't have any touch screens so I don't "need" Win8, plus I hate having something shoved down my throat.
Maybe it's childish, maybe not.
But it's the way I am, so M$ can just "deal with it".

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Volleynova

Microsoft is not a fail, and neither is Windows 8. It's constantly growing more users on a daily basis. The number 2 64-bit Operating System on STEAM is Windows 8, and it is stealing from Windows 7's numbers everyday.

Yes, there is always room for improvement but for goodness sakes, run it for a month, get used to it, and then begin to realize it is every bit as functional, faster, and more stable than Windows 7.

Ubuntu Boss is right.

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Scatter

Of course it's gaining more users every day. Most consumers don't have a choice since it comes pre-loaded on practically every PC and laptop sold in retail stores. The real question would be home many new users voluntarily chose Windows 8.

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Formedras

I purchased and downloaded 8 day of release, largely due to Release Preview. If my only Win8 experience was Developer Preview, though, I would have rather let myself be put into a horror film plot.

8 isn't bad; it's merely as different from Windows 7 as Windows 95 was from Windows 3.1. Only the morons refuse to even give it a chance, and there are a lot more morons using computers nowadays. That's why all the flak about it. Not because of a lack of quality like Vista had.

I will say, though, 8 needs a basic usage tutorial like 3.1 had, not that half-assed first-run demonstration.

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fung0

I'm getting very tired of this "only morons refuse to give Windows 8 a chance" line of argument. I gave it a chance. On several devices, for extended periods of time. I had no trouble verifying that it's an ugly, badly-engineered, two-headed beast, that degrades productivity compared to Windows 7. And no, don't bother suggesting that I'm averse to change; I've been a vocal Windows supporter through every previous version, and I mean EVERY version, from 1.0 onward. But Windows 8 is looking like the end of that road.

It's not that I'm abandoning Windows. It's that with Windows 8, Microsoft has abandoned power users (like me) as its core customer base.

Under Steve Ballmer, Microsoft has ceased to be a technology company, and become a marketing company. (Every manager I used to meet ten years ago spoke C++ as a second language; today, they don't even know the Registry.) Microsoft is no longer listening to users. It's not moving forward, pushing the envelope as it did under Gates. It's no longer delivering maximum computing power at minimum cost; instead, it's closing the system down and maximizing lock-in. If I'd appreciated that approach, I'd have been a Mac user long ago.

I'm not crazy about Unity, specifically. But when I look at any flavor of GNU/Linux, I feel a fresh breeze of innovation and empowerment. The exact sort of buzz I USED to get from a new release of Windows.

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Renegade Knight

I did. Vista blows. 7 is dang nice. 8 is better, but not better enough to upgrade from 7 if you don't have a touch screen.

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Vano

Yes, Ubuntu, who's UI turned into unusable nonsense. It used to be my number one choice of Windows replacements, now I can't even look at it, I'd rather go with Windows 3.1 then THAT.

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Renegade Knight

Ever since the unity interface I haven't much liked Ubuntu. Maybe the touch version helps...

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iheartpcs

"Bold"?

"Design Vision"?

They're coloured squares!!

MS is in an epic fail and Ubuntu thinks it's good?

This is why Ubuntu is the 1% OS.

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machew100

Every UI is a colored square in one form or another. That's not ALL that goes into it. It's the tasty and fresh new PC form factors that Windows 8 has created. That alone is great for consumers imo.

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DoctorX

well... this is no suprise... unity sux really bad... i know that is where ms got its inspiration

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Formedras

Really? Not from the lauded MP3 players that Microsoft made years before Ubuntu Unity?

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H1N1theI

Ubuntu makes me sick.

Subversion of community leaders, "partnering" with data mining corporations, proprietary standards, "modernized" design that's designed to be "workable" on both touch and keyboard/mouse, but falls short in both...

Wait, deja vu much?

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Renegade Knight

Touch, Keyboard, Mouse, Gestures. All part of the future. It's only a question of getting them right.

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H1N1theI

Which is why I included "falling short".

I agree, a well designed touch API can feel intuitive, natural, and can be more productive in certain tasks, but I really feel that most software hasn't gotten them right yet. That being said, it would really help if they differentiated the inputs so you don't get problems like hot corners or touch-unfriendly applications.