graphics card en Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 Video Card Review <!--paging_filter--><h3>Asus and EVGA represent, plus DSR and VSR benchmarks</h3> <p>One of the nice things about PCs is that your budget has a wide range of entry points. If you don't need the heavy lifting of <a href="" target="_blank">an Nvidia GeForce GTX 980</a> or an AMD Radeon R9 290X, you don't have to cough up hundreds of dollars for one. Both companies offer a variety of stuff to fit your budget. Historically, Nvidia's cards ending in "60" -- like the 560, 660 and 760 – have offered performance in between the premium cards and the more economical choices, putting them in a "Goldilocks zone" of balanced price and performance. Nvidia's latest, the GTX 960 is no exception. With a 128-bit memory bus, a little over a thousand shader cores, and 2GB of VRAM, it's not designed to be a giant leap over the GTX 660. But it's not designed to be modest, either.</p> <p>Let's take a look at the Asus Strix DirectCU II OC Edition of the GTX 960. (EVGA sent us a "Super Superclocked" version that uses the company's ACX 2.0 cooler, but Nvidia distributed the Asus card as the official one to test for review, so we'll talk about the Asus card first.) This mouthful of a card comes overclocked out of the box, and the company claims a 12% average increase in performance, versus Nvidia's stock or "reference" model. It features dual fans sitting on top of heatsinks that are fed by several heatpipes, and these fans are designed to not spin until the GPU core gets up to 65 degrees Celsius. When it does, the Strix fans are designed to operate quietly, yet still run the chip cooler than the stock version can. About 30% cooler, in fact.</p> <p><img src="/files/u160416/asus_960_620.jpg" alt="Asus Strix GTX 960" title="Asus Strix GTX 960" width="620" height="465" style="vertical-align: middle;" /></p> <p>The company also asserts that its cards will be free of coil whine, which is an annoying high-pitched squeal that some faulty electronics can emit, even when there are no moving parts. This is most commonly seen in power supplies but sometimes happens in video cards too. Since Asus says that their cards are free of this defect, it indicates that you can get a replacement if your card falls victim, rather than it being an issue that they can squirrel out of. It’s nice to see a company willing to address this issue. The cards also come with a 1-year "Premium" subscription to the Xsplit game broadcasting service, which lets you to stream your gaming online. That would usually cost you over a hundred bucks.</p> <p>Next up is the EVGA SSC version that we mentioned earlier. This one is a bit longer than the Asus card, taping out at 10 inches or so, versus about 8.5 inches. But its height barely rises above the bracket, so the screw will be easier to install in a cramped space. The EVGA card also does not have a backplate, but it also costs a few bucks less. Notably, this SSC version uses an 8-pin PCI Express cable, instead of 6 pins on the Asus card. That means that it could pull up to 225 watts instead of 150, hypothetically giving it a higher overclock ceiling. Its dual fans are also a bit larger, at 90mm versus 70mm. The SSC also uses a copper plate on top of the GPU core, which can move heat faster than the partly aluminum plate on the Asus card. However, the Asus MOSFET chips have small heatsinks attached with thermal pads, whereas the EVGA card's MOSFETs are sitting underneath a metal plate that runs the length of the card. In our exprience, heatsinks generally perform better than plates.</p> <p><img src="/files/u160416/evga_960_620.jpg" alt="EVGA GTX 960 SSC" title="EVGA GTX 960 SSC" width="620" height="465" /></p> <p>Considering the relatively low amount of power that these cards draw, however, the differences in cooling design may not matter that much. EVGA claims that its straight heat pipes cool 6% than the kind of bent heat pipes that the Asus card uses. What kind of gaming should you expect, though, with the 960's architecture?</p> <p>Let's take a look at the spec charts:</p> <div class="spec-table orange"> <table style="width: 620px; height: 266px;" border="0"> <thead></thead> <tbody> <tr> <td></td> <td><strong>GTX 960</strong></td> <td><strong>GTX 970</strong></td> <td><strong>GTX 660<br /></strong></td> <td><strong>R9 285<br /></strong></td> <td><strong>R9 290<br /></strong></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="item">Generation</td> <td>&nbsp;GM206</td> <td>&nbsp;GM204&nbsp;</td> <td>&nbsp;GK106</td> <td>&nbsp;Tonga</td> <td class="item-dark">&nbsp;Hawaii</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Core Clock (MHz)</td> <td>&nbsp;1228</td> <td>&nbsp;1050</td> <td>&nbsp;980</td> <td>&nbsp;928</td> <td>947</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="item">Boost Clock (MHz)</td> <td>&nbsp;1291</td> <td>&nbsp;1178</td> <td>&nbsp;1033</td> <td>&nbsp;~1GHz</td> <td class="item-dark">~1GHz</td> </tr> <tr> <td>VRAM Clock (MHz)</td> <td>&nbsp;7010</td> <td>&nbsp;7000</td> <td>&nbsp;6000</td> <td>&nbsp;5500</td> <td>5000</td> </tr> <tr> <td>VRAM Amount</td> <td>&nbsp;2GB</td> <td>&nbsp;4GB</td> <td>&nbsp;2GB/3GB</td> <td>&nbsp;2GB</td> <td>4GB</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bus</td> <td>&nbsp;128-bit</td> <td>&nbsp;256-bit</td> <td>&nbsp;192-bit</td> <td>&nbsp;256-bit</td> <td>&nbsp;512-bit</td> </tr> <tr> <td>ROPs</td> <td>&nbsp;32</td> <td>&nbsp;64</td> <td>&nbsp;24</td> <td>&nbsp;32</td> <td>64</td> </tr> <tr> <td>TMUs</td> <td>&nbsp;64</td> <td>&nbsp;104</td> <td>&nbsp;80</td> <td>&nbsp;112</td> <td>160</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Shaders</td> <td>&nbsp;1024</td> <td>&nbsp;1664</td> <td>&nbsp;960</td> <td>&nbsp;1792</td> <td>2560</td> </tr> <tr> <td>SMs</td> <td>&nbsp;8</td> <td>&nbsp;13</td> <td>&nbsp;5</td> <td>&nbsp;N/A</td> <td>&nbsp;N/A</td> </tr> <tr> <td>TDP (watts)</td> <td>&nbsp;120</td> <td>&nbsp;145</td> <td>&nbsp;140</td> <td>&nbsp;190</td> <td>&nbsp;275</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Street Price</td> <td>&nbsp;$210</td> <td>&nbsp;$330</td> <td>&nbsp;$150</td> <td>&nbsp;$200</td> <td>&nbsp;$250</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>The GTX 960 price and clock speeds noted here are specifically for the Asus Strix version. (<strong>Update:</strong> Asus tells us that the MSRP of their card changed this morning from $215 to $210.) The EVGA SSC card has a launch price of $210, and Nvidia expects the average launch price across all cards to be closer to $200. The Asus card also has an "OC mode" setting that increases its core clock speed to 1253MHz and its boost clock to 1317MHz. The default clock speeds of the GTX 960 are 1126MHz and and 1178MHz, respectively, so it's a sizeable jump.</p> <p>It's been a while since we've seen a mid-range gaming card with only a 128-bit memory bus. The GTX 660 was 192-bit, and the 560 was 256-bit. Nvidia tells us that its Maxwell chips use particularly good data compression techniques to effectively increase the bus speed, though. Nvidia has also said in the past that the shader cores in this new Maxwell generation of GPUs are up to 40% faster than the ones that Kepler (the GTX 660) uses. In fact, EVGA says that its GTX 960 is up to 60% faster than a GTX 660. Still, 1024 shader cores doesn't seem like a lot. The 960 has half the shader cores of the GTX 980, half its memory bandwidth, and half its VRAM. But it still supports MFAA, VXGI, Dynamic Super Resolution, and DirectX 12. So its added feature set alone is compelling, even if it turns out to be "only" 30% faster than a GTX 660. The 960s are also launching at a lower price than the 660 and 760. (We're not putting the 760 or 770 cards in the spec chart because they are just refinements of the 670 and 680, respectively.)</p> <h4 style="text-align: right;"><a title="Nvidia GTX 960 Review, Page 2" href=",1" target="_blank">Click here for Page 2, to check out the benchmarks!</a></h4> <hr /> <p>Our test rig is as follows:</p> <div class="spec-table orange" style="text-align: center;"> <table style="width: 620px; height: 265px;" border="0"> <thead></thead> <tbody> <tr> <td><strong>Part</strong></td> <td><strong>Component</strong></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="item">CPU</td> <td class="item-dark">Intel Core i7-3960X (at stock clock speeds; 3.3GHz base, 3.9GHz turbo)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>CPU Cooler</td> <td>Corsair Hydro Series H100</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="item">Mobo</td> <td class="item-dark">Asus Rampage IV Extreme</td> </tr> <tr> <td>RAM</td> <td>4x 4GB G.Skill Ripjaws X, 2133MHz CL9</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Power Supply</td> <td>Corsair AX1200 (1,200 watts)</td> </tr> <tr> <td>SSD</td> <td>1TB Crucial M550</td> </tr> <tr> <td>OS</td> <td>Windows 8.1</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Case</td> <td>NZXT Phantom 530&nbsp;</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <p>Armed with this knowledge, let's see how the GTX 960 stacks up. All of these games were tested at or near their highest settings, with 4xMSAA. What do we mean by "near"? For example, we turned off PhysX so as not to tilt the score too much in Nvidia's favor, and we turned off TressFX so that AMD could not tilt either. We did not use Nvidia's proprietary TXAA or MFAA either. Just straight-up 4xMSAA. (Tomb Raider does not have an MSAA setting, so we used 2xSSAA instead.) Lastly, we set the texture quality in Shadow of Mordor to medium, since the game itself says that higher settings are not intended for video cards that have less than 3GB of VRAM. Both the GTX 960 and the R9 285 have 2GB (though we may see 4GB versions later on). We wanted to look at GPU performance without the result being colored too much by brand-specific extensions. Our mix of games is intended to be a balance of Nvidia-friendly titles and AMD-friendly titles. We used these games' built-in benchmarks to conduct all tests, to keep the evaluated input the same each time.</p> <p>First off, here's the results at 1920x1080, which Nvidia considers the target resolution for the GTX 960. We're using the Asus Strix version of the GTX 960, since it's more or less the officially approved one. The R9 285 is a Sapphire ITX Compact version; the GTX 660 is an MSI Frozr II; the GTX 970 <a href="" target="_blank">is an Asus Mini</a>; and the R9 290 is the reference model.</p> <h4>1920x1080 Bechmark Results, Average Frames Per Second</h4> <div class="spec-table orange"> <table style="width: 620px; height: 265px;" border="0"> <thead></thead> <tbody> <tr> <td></td> <td>GTX 960</td> <td>GTX 660</td> <td>GTX 970</td> <td>R9 285</td> <td>R9 290</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="item">Tomb Raider</td> <td>&nbsp;90</td> <td>&nbsp;65</td> <td>&nbsp;135</td> <td class="item-dark">&nbsp;85</td> <td>&nbsp;126</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Metro: Last Light</td> <td>&nbsp;53</td> <td>&nbsp;37</td> <td>&nbsp;72</td> <td>&nbsp;53</td> <td>&nbsp;72</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Batman: Arkham Origins</td> <td>&nbsp;67</td> <td>&nbsp;66</td> <td>&nbsp;102</td> <td>&nbsp;75</td> <td>&nbsp;103</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Hitman: Absolution</td> <td>&nbsp;39</td> <td>&nbsp;33</td> <td>&nbsp;61</td> <td><strong>&nbsp;</strong>47</td> <td><strong>&nbsp;</strong>63</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Shadow of Mordor</td> <td>&nbsp;53</td> <td>&nbsp;37</td> <td>&nbsp;78</td> <td>&nbsp;56</td> <td>&nbsp;80</td> </tr> <tr> <td>3DMark 2013 (score)</td> <td>&nbsp;6977</td> <td>&nbsp;4854</td> <td>&nbsp;9762</td> <td>&nbsp;6891</td> <td>&nbsp;9435</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>As we can see, the GTX 960's relatively narrow memory bus does not appear to be the obstacle that we feared. In fact, the card edges out the R9 285 in Tomb Raider, a game that is customarily in AMD's camp. However, AMD seems to have found some optimizations <a href="" target="_blank">in its new Omega drivers</a> elsewhere, and the R9 285 overtakes the GTX 960 in <a href="" target="_blank">Batman Arkham Origins</a>, a game that usually favors Nvidia gear by a healthy margin. The 960's performance there is a bit puzzling (since it pretty much matches that of the 660), but the score did not budge after several re-tests. The R9 290, meanwhile, quietly keeps pace with the GTX 970, falling short only in Tomb Raider. Before AMD released its Omega drivers, you could expect the 290 to be 5-10% slower across the board, but it looks like this is no longer the case.</p> <p>Overall, the GTX 960 and R9 285 cards do quite respectably at 1920x1080, with each game's visual settings cranked up. So everything is working by design.</p> <p>Both GTX 960s are also very quiet cards. You have to look at the fans to know they're spinning, because you'll probably never hear them. The EVGA SSC card uses one 8-pin PCI Express cable instead of a 6-pin, but Nvidia tells us that this is for higher overclock potential, not because of a higher power requirement. The card never cracked 70 degrees Celsius during our tests, and the Asus card ran in the low 60s. The 285, for its part, operated in the high 60s.</p> <p>Next up, we're taking DSR and VSR for a spin. DSR stands for Dynamic Super Resolution. Technically, this uses ordered-grid super-sample anti-aliasing with a 13-tap Gaussian filter. In more straightforward terms, DSR takes a higher resolution than your monitor can display, squishes it down to fit, and applies a filter to enhance smoothness on the edges of objects in the game world. It can scale up to 3840x2160, also known as "4K," and can stop at points in between, such as 2560x1440. A 1440p monitor has roughly 80% more pixels than a 1080p monitor, and it's a common resolution for gamers with deeper pockets.</p> <p>This next set of benchmarks is run using the same 1080p monitor as before, just with DSR and VSR applied. We couldn't get either resolution tech to work correctly with Shadow of Morder, however; it ran at 2880x1620 instead, which is exactly twice as many pixels as 1920x1080. So the performance there will be a little lower than someone with a 1440p monitor should expect.</p> <h4>2560x1440 Benchmark Results (via DSR and VSR), Average FPS</h4> <div class="spec-table orange"> <table style="width: 620px; height: 265px;" border="0"> <thead></thead> <tbody> <tr> <td></td> <td>GTX 960</td> <td>GTX 660</td> <td>GTX 970</td> <td>R9 285</td> <td>R9 290</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="item">Tomb Raider</td> <td>&nbsp;55</td> <td>&nbsp;37</td> <td>&nbsp;80</td> <td class="item-dark">&nbsp;54</td> <td>&nbsp;80</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Metro: Last Light</td> <td>&nbsp;34</td> <td>&nbsp;23</td> <td>&nbsp;47</td> <td>&nbsp;34</td> <td>&nbsp;48</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Batman: Arkham Origins</td> <td>&nbsp;45</td> <td>&nbsp;36</td> <td>&nbsp;68</td> <td>&nbsp;51</td> <td>&nbsp;75</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Hitman: Absolution</td> <td>&nbsp;23</td> <td>&nbsp;17</td> <td>&nbsp;39</td> <td><strong>&nbsp;</strong>30</td> <td><strong>&nbsp;</strong>50</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Shadow of Mordor*</td> <td>&nbsp;30</td> <td>&nbsp;25</td> <td>&nbsp;44</td> <td>&nbsp;33</td> <td>&nbsp;44</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <p style="text-align: right;"><em>*2880x1620 resolution<br /></em></p> <p>Despite the much higher bandwidth requirements, Nvidia's GTX 960 scales up quite respectably (as does the comparable Radeon R9 285). <a href="" target="_blank">Hitman: Absolution</a> continues to be a thorn in Nvidia's side, but the 960 meets the R9 285 blow-for-blow. The R9 290 is looking pretty good once more, losing surprisingly little steam in Hitman: Absolution and running in stride with the GTX 970, even pushing decisively ahead of it in Hitman and Batman.</p> <p>Since we acquired two GTX 960s for this review, it would be a shame not to try them in SLI. We had two R9 285s on hand anyway, so we'd have to hand in our geek cards if we didn't give Crossfire a shot as well. The video cards are not identical in either case, but that's not necessary to get SLI or Crossfire to work. The cards just both need to be 960s or 285s. The one wrinkle is that the higher-clocked card will reduce its speed to match that of the lower-clocked card. So your results with identical pairs will be slightly different from what we got. Since SLI and CF don't add RAM together (the contents just get mirrored), Shadow of Mordor will remain running with "Medium" textures.</p> <p>For these benches, we paired our Sapphire R9 285 Compact with an Asus Strix R9 285. These cards in SLI/CF would be overkill for 1080p, so we focused on repeating our 1440p test set instead. 3DMark remained at 1920x1080, however. We wanted to make direct comparisons between this set of 3DMark score and the earlier set.</p> <h4>SLI and Crossfire (via DSR and VSR), Average FPS</h4> <div class="spec-table orange"> <table style="width: 620px; height: 265px;" border="0"> <thead></thead> <tbody> <tr> <td></td> <td>GTX 960 SLI</td> <td>R9 285 CF</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="item">Tomb Raider</td> <td>&nbsp;102</td> <td>&nbsp;64</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Metro: Last Light</td> <td>&nbsp;55</td> <td>&nbsp;57</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Batman: Arkham Origins</td> <td>&nbsp;78</td> <td>&nbsp;94</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Hitman: Absolution</td> <td>&nbsp;39</td> <td>&nbsp;56</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Shadow of Mordor*</td> <td>&nbsp;52</td> <td>&nbsp;54</td> </tr> <tr> <td>3DMark 2013 (score)</td> <td>&nbsp;11,173</td> <td>&nbsp;11,531</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <p style="text-align: right;"><em>*2880x1620 resolution</em></p> <p>The 285s in Crossfire didn't seem to like Tomb Raider and remained locked at 64 FPS throughout the test. No amount of fiddling seemed to fix it. We know that it was detecting the card, because we were getting higher performance than would be possible with just one 285. The GTX 960's performance in Batman is also a bit puzzling. We'll have to dig into both of these issues further. Other than that, the 285 and 960 both scale pretty well when paired with a buddy, though the 285 indicates better scaling overall in the games that correctly recognized the second card. The GTX 960 does really well with Tomb Raider, though. Given the 285's performance elsewhere, we doubt that it would pull ahead here. The picture might change at 4K, but this tier of card is not advisable for resolutions that high anyway. We'd recommend at least two GTX 970s or two Radeon R9 290s.</p> <p>At around $250, though, the R9 290 is not a bad choice, if you can stretch your budget a little. But we'd recommend a 600-watt power supply for a single 290, and an 850-watt PSU for two of them, so there may be additional costs involved. The GTX 960, meanwhile, is rated for a 400-watt PSU, so it can plug into a wide range of systems without needing additional upgrades. The 290 also does not do 4K VSR, maxing out instead at 3200x1800, because it uses the older Hawaii core instead of the newer Tonga core. The 960 and the 285 can go all the way. And definitely do not get the black-and red "reference" version of the 290 with the single fan. It runs really loudly. A better choice would be the Sapphire Tri-X model, or the Gigabyte GV-R929WF3-4GD. Both choices need a good 12 inches of space inside your case, though. If you have a mini-ITX case and want something both compact and beefy, Gigabyte and Asus both make shorty GTX 970s (and of course there's the compact Sapphire 285 that we used for this review).</p> <p>If you're a fan of the Green Team and have been holding off for a Maxwell card at this price point, Nvidia has delivered -- though AMD is no pushover, thanks in part to the optimizations in its new Omega drivers.</p> 960 GeForce GTX graphics card nvidia Review Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:01:20 +0000 Tom McNamara 29293 at AMD Radeon R9 380X Rumored to Arrive in Second Quarter of 2015 <!--paging_filter--><h3><img src="/files/u69/amd_gpu_0.jpg" alt="AMD GPU" title="AMD GPU" width="228" height="192" style="float: right;" />Rumor has it the Radeon R9 380X will feature 4,096 GCN cores</h3> <p>Keeping in mind that nothing is ever official until it's official (one of the many mottos of Captain Obvious), purported details of AMD's forthcoming Radeon R9 380X have started to emerge. If they turn out to be accurate, you can expect the <strong>Radeon R9 380X to arrive sometime between April and June of this year</strong> with 4,096 GCN cores in tow, along with 4GB of 3D stacked High Bandwidth Memory (HDM).</p> <p>That's according to <a href="" target="_blank"><em>WCCFTech</em></a>, which is getting its information from Swedish website <a href="" target="_blank"><em>SWEClockers</em></a><em>, </em>"which have been proven to be quite accurate in their estimations." In this case, the report points to AMD running with the 380X nomenclature rather than 390X, which would indicate that an even more powerful graphics card is on tap for 2015.</p> <p>As for the 380X, the use of HBM is reported to be 9 times faster than GDDR5. Looking at just the increased number of compute units, however, it's estimated that the 380X could be 45 percent faster than AMD's R9 290X, and that's without taking into considerations architectural improvements or memory bandwidth.</p> <p>The card will be based on a GPU code named Fiji XT. Along with its release, AMD is expected to refresh its current lineup with new GPUs, including a Radeon R9 270 replacement called Trinidad.</p> <p><em>Follow Paul on <a href="" target="_blank">Google+</a>, <a href="!/paul_b_lilly" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and <a href="" target="_blank">Facebook</a></em></p> amd Build a PC Gaming graphics card Hardware radeon r9 380x Video Card News Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:33:19 +0000 Paul Lilly 29284 at Pictures of Nvidia's GM200 GPU Leak to the Web <!--paging_filter--><h3><img src="/files/u69/nvidia_gm200.jpg" alt="GM200" title="GM200" width="228" height="170" style="float: right;" />Maxwell unchained</h3> <p>What better way to end the work week than by spying a glimpse of the real-deal Maxwell part we've all been waiting for? Winning the lottery? Okay, you got us on that one, but this is a cool (not close) second. Assuming the pictures making the rounds in cyberspace are real, <strong>you can take a look at Nvidia's forthcoming GM200-400-A1 GPU</strong> nestled into an engineering board (180-1G600-1102-A04).</p> <p>The GM200-400-A1 part is Nvidia's newest Maxwell GPU that will reportedly appear in future GeForce Series graphics cards. According to <a href="" target="_blank"><em></em></a>, the part is expected to be used in the next line of Titan graphics cards, which the site says will debut next month.</p> <p>It's a significant part because it represents the full Maxwell experience. Rumor has it the chip will sport 3,072 CUDA cores, which is 50 percent more than the GM204.</p> <p>As for the mysterious reference board, it's using 24 Hynix H5GQ4H24MFR modules (12GB in all) clocked at 7GHz.. There's no DVI port visible on the card, though you can see three DisplayPort connectors and HDMI 2.0 output.</p> <p><em>Follow Paul on <a href="" target="_blank">Google+</a>, <a href="!/paul_b_lilly" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and <a href="" target="_blank">Facebook</a></em></p> GM200 gpu graphics card Hardware maxwell nvidia Video Card News Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:48:42 +0000 Paul Lilly 29265 at Nvidia Rumored to Release GeForce GTX 960 on January 22, 2015 <!--paging_filter--><h3><img src="/files/u69/nvidia_graphics_card_2.jpg" alt="Nvidia Graphics Card" title="Nvidia Graphics Card" width="228" height="173" style="float: right;" />A new mid-range GTX 900 Series card may be imminent</h3> <p>We expect to see quite a few product announcements at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas next month, which runs from January 6-9. However, rumor has it one part that won't make the trip is Nvidia's GeForce GTX 960 graphics card. Instead, a Chinese-language website thinks it's privy to <strong>Nvidia's plan to launch the GeForce GTX 960 on January 22, 2015</strong>.</p> <p>Credit goes to <a href="" target="_blank"><em>Fudzilla</em></a> for the heads up from <a href=";tl=en&amp;js=y&amp;prev=_t&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;;edit-text=&amp;act=url" target="_blank"><em>Hermitage Akihabara</em></a>, which says that Nvidia is still working out the exact specifications for the forthcoming mid-range graphics card. About the only details the site has, other than the proposed launch date, is that it will sport a single 6-pin power connector and cost around 25,000 yen (~US$207).</p> <p>Based on other information from around the web, the card will feature Nvidia's Maxwell architecture with a GM206 GPU, details of which are pretty sparse. It's expected to debut with 2GB of GDDR5 on a 128-bit bus.</p> <p>The card was initially rumored to release in October 2014, though it's <a href="" target="_blank">believed</a> that Nvidia postponed the launch because of strong sales for its GeForce GTX 980 and 970 graphics cards.</p> <p><em>Follow Paul on <a href="" target="_blank">Google+</a>, <a href="!/paul_b_lilly" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and <a href="" target="_blank">Facebook</a></em></p> Build a PC geforce gtx 960 gpu graphics card Hardware nvidia rumor Video Card News Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:09:39 +0000 Paul Lilly 29157 at Asus ROG Poseidon GTX 980 Lets You Choose Air or Water Cooling for $640 <!--paging_filter--><h3><img src="/files/u69/asus_rog_poseidon_gtx_980_0.jpg" alt="Asus ROG Poseidon GTX 980" title="Asus ROG Poseidon GTX 980" width="228" height="160" style="float: right;" />Choose your own adventure (in cooling)</h3> <p><strong>Asus Republic of Gamers (ROG) today announced the Poseidon GTX 980 with DirectCU H2O</strong>, a hybrid thermal solution that lets users choose between air or water cooling. The cooler sports a custom vapor chamber that comes in direct contact with the card's GPU for better heat dispersal, while copper heat pipes and extended cooling fins help whisk heat out and away from the card.</p> <p>Using water cooling, Asus ROG says the Poseidon GTX 980 can achieve temperatures that are up to 27C lower compared to reference, which the company claims will translate into up to 10 percent faster performance in Watch Dogs and 7 percent in Battlefield 4 (through less throttling, presumably).</p> <p>Asus said it used high end components for longevity -- things like black metallic solid state capacitors, 10-phase Super Alloy Power chokes, hardened MOSFETs, and Digi+ VRM for clean and stable voltage. There's also a tough backplate made of aluminum alloy and a die-cast thermal armor with thermal pads to prevent bending.</p> <p>The Asus ROG Poseidon GTX 980 will be available soon for $640 MSRP.</p> <p><em>Follow Paul on <a href="" target="_blank">Google+</a>, <a href="!/paul_b_lilly" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and <a href="" target="_blank">Facebook</a></em></p> air cooling asus Build a PC games graphics card Hardware poseidon gtx 980 Republic of Gamers ROG Video Card water cooling News Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:02:00 +0000 Paul Lilly 29103 at Asus Pairs GeForce GTX 750 Graphics Card with Passive Cooler <!--paging_filter--><h3><img src="/files/u69/asus_geforce_gtx_750_passive.jpg" alt="Asus GeForce GTX 750 Passive" title="Asus GeForce GTX 750 Passive" width="228" height="207" style="float: right;" />Keep it hush</h3> <p>Do you know what's a great sound when you pass by a home theater PC, or really any type of system for that matter? Trick question -- the answer is nothing, which is what you expect to hear from a silently configured computer. To help you build one, <strong>Asus has released a passively cooled version of the GeForce GTX 750</strong> (GTX750-DCSL-2GD5), or at least it's going to. There's a product page for the card on the company's website, just no press release or domestic retailer listing (yet) that we can find.</p> <p>We stumbled upon the card over at <a href="" target="_blank"><em>Fudzilla</em></a>, a news and rumor site that itself credits Chinese-language website <a href="" target="_blank"><em></em></a> for first spotting the card. Between the three of us, we've been unable to locate the card selling online in the U.S., though we expect that to change in the near-term considering there exists an official product page and at least one overseas listing.</p> <p>The GeForce GTX 750 is essentially a somewhat gimped version of the Nvidia's Maxwell GM107 GPU with 512 CUDA cores. Asus stuck with Nvidia's reference parameters by keeping the base and boost clocks at 1020MHz and 1085MHz, respectively. The card also boasts <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">1GB</span> 2GB of GDDR5 memory clocked at 5010MHz on a 128-bit bus, resulting in 80Gbps of memory bandwidth.</p> <p>So it's a standard GTX 750, in other words, but with a fanless DirectCU Silent cooler that Asus claims lowers temps by 16 percent compared to "conventional passive cards," though there's no mention of how it compares to Nvidia's reference cooler. Cooling is also aided by "exclusively formulated" premium alloys in power delivery components, Asus says.</p> <p>No word on price in the U.S., though the non-passive version from Asus streets for around $115 to $125.</p> <p><em>Follow Paul on <a href="" target="_blank">Google+</a>, <a href="!/paul_b_lilly" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and <a href="" target="_blank">Facebook</a></em></p> asus Build a PC cooling directcu ii geforce gtx 750 graphics card Hardware silent computing Video Card News Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:36:45 +0000 Paul Lilly 29068 at Rumor: AMD’s Next-Gen GPU Family is Codenamed ‘Caribbean Islands’ <!--paging_filter--><h3><img src="" alt="AMD R9 300 Series" title="AMD R9 300 Series" width="228" height="193" style="float: right;" /></h3> <h3>Sorry Shakespeare, but GPU family names are kinda important</h3> <p>Those next-gen AMD GPU rumors are coming in thick and fast. Late last month, we had someone on Chinese tech forum ChipHell post <a href="" target="_blank">some tantalizing performance numbers</a> that they claimed belonged to an upcoming (presumably a R9 300 series) graphics card and now we have a new report that is questioning something that the tech media has taken for granted until now — <strong>the codename of AMD’s next-gen GPU family</strong>.</p> <p>According to <a href="" target="_blank">Fudzilla</a>, the company’s next-gen GPU series isn’t codenamed “Pirate Islands”, as has been widely believed for what now appears <a href="" target="_blank">an eternity</a>, but “Caribbean Islands.” And lest you not take this report seriously, the author decided to personally vouch for the reliability of the site’s sources, who are apparently “never wrong about these things.” </p> <p>“AMD might actually confirm this at its February investor relations conference. It also shared the news with some of its partners,” Fudzilla said. “We won't go into details and speculate whether this is a planar 20nm or even 16 FinFET generation, as we simply don’t know at this time. We are sure speculation will be rampant and we will find out sooner or later.”</p> <p>Despite the site’s extreme confidence in the accuracy of this info, this is still nothing more than a rumor and therefore we’d like to see something more substantial; perhaps something like a leaked company slide or a customs manifest like the one that recently <a href=";results1=84733030&amp;results2=CANADA&amp;results3=HYDERABAD+AIR+CARGO" target="_blank">confirmed the existence of an AMD GPU codenamed “Fiji XT”.<br /></a><br />As for a specific time frame for the launch, the site admittedly doesn’t have anything more accurate to offer at this stage other than “summer of 2015.” </p> <p>“The timeframe for the launch is not very accurate and we can't pinpoint it, so we are looking at a June to August launch window. That is the best range we can guess.”</p> <p><em>Follow Pulkit on <a href="" target="_blank">Google+</a></em></p> amd captain jack caribbean islands fiji xt Gaming gpu graphics card Hardware pirate islands radeon r9 300 rumors tonga xt News Mon, 08 Dec 2014 01:16:27 +0000 Pulkit Chandna 29046 at Asus Teases Matrix Platinum GTX 980 Graphics Card in Pictures <!--paging_filter--><h3><img src="/files/u69/asus_rog_matrix_platinum_gtx_980_box.jpg" alt="Asus ROG Matrix Platinum GTX 980 Box" title="Asus ROG Matrix Platinum GTX 980 Box" width="228" height="192" style="float: right;" />Early look at Asus' upcoming graphics card</h3> <p><strong>Asus Republic of Gamers (ROG) says that online reviews of its new <a href="" target="_blank">Matrix Platinum GTX 980 graphics card</a> will hit the web next week</strong>, though in the meantime, it's providing a couple of press photos for an early look. The graphics card maker also revealed some specs about the high-end card, including the fact that it boasts a custom PCB with a 14-phase Super Alloy Power VRM and Black Metallic capacitors.</p> <p>This is a card that LN2 enthusiasts might be interested in, as it sports a memory defroster. Overclockers will also appreciate its safe mode feature for when things go wrong, along with things like the ROG color-coded load indicator and ROG Edition GPU Tweak. For those who don't plan to go crazy with LN2, the card will keep its cool with Asus ROG's DirectCU II cooler with CoolTech fan and 10mm matte-black heat pipes.</p> <p>Oddly enough, Asus didn't reveal the GPU's base clockspeed, though did say its boost clock is configured for 1,342MHz, up from Nvidia's reference clock of 1,216MHz. The 4GB of GDDR5 memory is set at 7,010MHz (effective), same as reference.</p> <p><img src="/files/u69/asus_rog_matrix_platinum_gtx_980.jpg" alt="Asus ROG Matrix Platinum GTX 980" title="Asus ROG Matrix Platinum GTX 980" width="620" height="422" /></p> <p>Finally, the card will feature three DisplayPort connectors, along with HDMI and dual-link DVI-I display outputs.</p> <p><em>Follow Paul on <a href="" target="_blank">Google+</a>, <a href="!/paul_b_lilly" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and <a href="" target="_blank">Facebook</a></em></p> asus Build a PC graphics card Hardware matrix gtx 980 Video Card News Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:05:37 +0000 Paul Lilly 29039 at Asus Points Shrink Ray at GeForce GTX 970, Now Comes in Mini ITX Form <!--paging_filter--><h3><img src="/files/u69/asus_geforce_gtx_970_dc_mini.jpg" alt="Asus GeForce GTX 970 DC Mini" title="Asus GeForce GTX 970 DC Mini" width="228" height="178" style="float: right;" />Maxwell gets the mini ITX treatment</h3> <p>The mini ITX form factor has been gaining some serious street cred as of late. Of course, it was only a matter of time, with advances in technology leading to increasingly smaller parts that are much more powerful than their sizes suggest. <strong>The newest tiny treat for mini ITX builders is the <a href="" target="_blank">Asus GeForce GTX 970 CD Mini</a><a style="&quot;float:" title="&quot;Asus" href="" target="_blank"></a></strong>, a small form factor graphics card that willl be right at home in your mini ITX motherboard.</p> <p>It measures just 17cm in length, making for an easy fit inside a compact gaming PC. And not only is the card rocking Nvidia's Maxwell architecture underneath the hood, it also received Asus' DirectCU custom cooling treatment. According to Asus, the DirectCU cooler with vapor chamber offers 20 percent cooler temps and a "vastly quieter" experience compared to reference.</p> <p>Asus didn't gimp the card, either. The GPU is actually overclocked to 1,088MHz base and 1,228MHz boost, up from Nvidia's reference blueprint that calls for 1,050MHz base and 1,178MHz boost clockspeeds. It's also paired with 4GB of GDDR5 memory clocked at 7,010MHz (effective) on a 256-bit bus for 224GB/s of memory bandwidth (same as reference).</p> <p>Connectivity options consist of DVI-I and DVI-D ports (one each), HDMI, and DisplayPort.</p> <p>No word yet on the card's price or availability. As points of reference, the Asus Strix GeForce GTX 970 (full size) commands about $350 street. Gigabyte also makes a mini ITX variant of the GTX 970 (GIGABYTE GV-N970IXOC-4GD), and that one streets for around $340.</p> <p><em>Follow Paul on <a href="" target="_blank">Google+</a>, <a href="!/paul_b_lilly" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and <a href="" target="_blank">Facebook</a></em></p> asus Build a PC geforce gtx 970 graphics card Hardware mini itx nvidia News Wed, 03 Dec 2014 19:37:27 +0000 Paul Lilly 29027 at Benchmarks of What Could be the AMD R9 390X Allegedly Leaked <!--paging_filter--><h3><img src="" alt="AMD Logo" title="AMD Logo" width="228" height="134" style="float: right;" /></h3> <h3>Numbers point to a powerful yet efficient graphics card</h3> <p>Ever since Nvidia launched the <a href="" target="_blank">GM204-based GTX 980</a> a couple of months back, there has been a great deal of speculation around AMD’s likely response. And with the company itself remaining tightlipped on this subject, speculation and rumors are pretty much all that we have got at this stage. That being said, we are willing to tolerate rumors as long as they come from a credible source and are sufficiently juicy.</p> <p>The purportedly leaked performance numbers of an upcoming high-end graphics card that someone recently posted on Chinese tech forum <a href="" target="_blank">ChipHell</a> are a case in point. As pointed out by <a href="" target="_blank">WCCFTECH</a>, a number of&nbsp; previous GPU benchmarks leaked onto the Chinese site have turned out to be accurate and, for all its worth, these latest benchmark charts are in the same format as many of the accurate ones. (Even so, don’t dispense with that proverbial pinch of salt.) As for the succulence of this rumor, we will let the numbers in the two benchmark charts posted below do the talking.</p> <p>Posted a few days back by a ChipHell user known only by the handle “Junmiu,” the two benchmark charts provide a performance and power efficiency comparison between an <strong>upcoming AMD graphics card codenamed “Captain Jack”</strong> and some of the best GPUs currently on the market.</p> <p><em>Image Credit: ChipHell</em></p> <p><em>Follow Pulkit on <a href="" target="_blank">Google+</a></em></p> 980 GTX amd r9 390x benchmarks captain jack graphics card Hardware rumor News Mon, 01 Dec 2014 00:29:17 +0000 Pulkit Chandna 29009 at AMD Radeon R9 295X2 Receive Surprise Price Cut, Now Street Below $800 <!--paging_filter--><h3><img src="/files/u69/his_radeon_r9_295x2.jpg" alt="HIS Radeon R9 295X2" title="HIS Radeon R9 295X2" width="228" height="173" style="float: right;" />Dual-GPU Radeon R9 295X2 drops another $200</h3> <p>Is the best offense a good defense, or is the best defense a good offense? We're not sure, though it looks like AMD has decided to run with the latter -- <strong>dual-GPU Radeon R9 295X2 graphics cards can now be found on Newegg for around $770</strong>, seemingly indicating that AMD has gone on the offensive and slashed the price of its flagship card by about another $200. Bear in mind that when these cards launched earlier this year, they were selling for nearly twice as much at $1,500.</p> <p>There has been <a href="">chatter</a> that AMD will release new Hawaii cards next year, though heading into the holiday shopping season, the company doesn't have any GPUs on tap, at least none that we're aware of. That could be one reason for the sizable price cut.</p> <p>The least expensive 295X2 on Newegg is the <a href=";cm_re=radeon_r9_295x2-_-14-161-458-_-Product" target="_blank">HIS Radeon R9 295X2</a>. It's listed at $770 with free shipping, no rebate or coupon code required, and it comes with Civilization: Beyond Earth. The card also qualifies for AMD's Gold tier Never Settle Space Edition, which lets you choose three additional games from a selection of titles that include Thief, Watchdog, PayDay 2, Tomb Raider, Hitman Absolution, and more.</p> <p>VisionTek, XFX, Sapphire, and Diamond also offer models on Newegg for at least a penny below $800.</p> <p><em>Follow Paul on <a href="" target="_blank">Google+</a>, <a href="!/paul_b_lilly" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and <a href="" target="_blank">Facebook</a></em></p> amd Build a PC gpu graphics card Hardware price cut radeon r9 295x2 Video Card News Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:58:27 +0000 Paul Lilly 28983 at AMD Rumor Points to a Faster Hawaii Graphics Card <!--paging_filter--><h3><img src="/files/u69/amd_radeon_0.jpg" alt="AMD Radeon" title="AMD Radeon" width="228" height="190" style="float: right;" />AMD might not be finished with Hawaii</h3> <p>Ever since AMD launched its Hawaii GPU architecture, there have been rumblings that a faster version exists, perhaps locked away in the Sunnyvale chip designer's underground vault for a rainy day. If that's the case, be on the lookout for storm clouds -- <strong>word on the web is that AMD will launch a faster Hawaii part next year before it comes out with Fiji</strong>. How exactly it will be faster isn't yet known.</p> <p>There are multiple paths AMD could take, from higher clock speeds to more stream processors. AMD could also make optimizations to the architecture, though none of this is confirmed, of course. Whatever the case may be, news and rumor site <em>Fudzilla </em>seems to feel confident that a faster card is coming.</p> <p>"We have learned that AMD plans to launch another Hawaii-based product before it releases Fiji," <a href="" target="_blank"><em>Fudzilla</em> said</a>, adding that both are scheduled to arrive in the first half of 2015.</p> <p>If that's the case, the likely scenario will be a faster clocked part. The folks at <a href="" target="_blank"><em></em></a>, another site that's known for digging up unannounced information, thinks the new Hawaii GPU will be part of the Radeon R9 300 series rather than the current R9 200 series. The site surmises that the recent price cuts indicate AMD wants to push out as many GCN GPUs as they can in the 200 series before bumping up to its first round of R9 300 parts.</p> <p><em>Follow Paul on <a href="" target="_blank">Google+</a>, <a href="!/paul_b_lilly" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and <a href="" target="_blank">Facebook</a></em></p> amd Build a PC Gaming graphics card Hardware hawaii Video Card News Mon, 17 Nov 2014 21:30:13 +0000 Paul Lilly 28947 at Nvidia's Mightly Tesla K80 Accelerator Packs Two GPUs, 24GB of GDDR5 Memory <!--paging_filter--><h3><img src="/files/u69/nvidia_tesla_k80.jpg" alt="Nvidia Tesla K80" title="Nvidia Tesla K80" width="228" height="184" style="float: right;" />Meet the world's fastest accelerator</h3> <p>If there are any kids within earshot, send them off to play or cover their ears before reading any further, we wouldn't want their little ears being exposed to excited obscenities that may follow. As in, "Holy sh*t, how much RAM!?" Try 24GB of GDDR5 memory, which is how much <strong>Nvidia decided to use on its Tesla K80 dual-GPU accelerator</strong>, the new flagship offering in the Tesla family.</p> <p>According to Nvidia, the Tesla K80 offers nearly double the performance and memory bandwidth of its predecessor, the Tesla K40. It also boasts ten times higher performance than today's fastest CPUs, as it was designed for the most difficult computational challenges around -- astrophysics, genomics, quantum chemistry, data analytics, and so forth.</p> <p>With two GPUs on board, 24GB of GDDR5 memory, and 4,992 CUDA parallal processing cores, the Tesla K80 boasts 480GB/s of memory bandwidth, 8.74 teraflops of single-precision peak floating point performance, and up to 2.91 teraflops of double-precision peak floating point performance. For the sake of comparison, Nvidia's Maxwell-based GeForce GTX 980 offers 5 teraflops of single-precision performance.</p> <p>The Tesla K80 has begun shipping to server manufactures -- no word on price.</p> <p><em>Follow Paul on <a href="" target="_blank">Google+</a>, <a href="!/paul_b_lilly" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and <a href="" target="_blank">Facebook</a></em></p> Build a PC graphics card Hardware nvidia tesla k80 Video Card News Mon, 17 Nov 2014 17:08:44 +0000 Paul Lilly 28944 at Asus ROG Readies Maxwell for Water, Announces Poseidon GTX 980 <!--paging_filter--><h3><img src="/files/u69/asus_rog_poseidon_gtx_980.jpg" alt="Asus ROG Poseidon GTX 980" title="Asus ROG Poseidon GTX 980" width="228" height="186" style="float: right;" />Hybrid thermal solution offers both air and liquid cooling options</h3> <p>Feeling indecisive these days? Don't sweat it -- <strong>Asus Republic of Gamers (ROG) this week announced its Poseidon GTX 980 graphics card with DirectCU H20</strong>, a hybrid cooling solution capable of keeping temps at bay by air or water, dealer's choice. The benefit of having both is that you can cool the card by air today and make the leap to liquid cooling down the line, if that's your longer-term goal.</p> <p>According to Asus, the new card runs up to 27C cooler than reference (with water), is three times quieter, and offers 10 percent faster gaming performance in games like Watch Dogs. That's all thanks to the custom vapor chamber that comes in direct contact with the GPU, along with copper heat pipes and extended cooling fins.</p> <p>"ROG Poseidon GTX 980 is also loaded with ROG technologies and innovations, including dual dust-proof fans for increased card longevity, die-cast thermal armor for improved cooling in the crucial MOSFET area, Digi+ voltage-regulation modules (VRMs) with black metallic capacitors for incredible stability and up to a 5X-longer lifespan than reference," <a href="" target="_blank">Asus says</a>.</p> <p><img src="/files/u69/asus_rog_poseidon_gtx_980_opened.jpg" alt="Asus ROG Poseidon GTX 980 Opened" title="Asus ROG Poseidon GTX 980 Opened" width="620" height="453" /></p> <p>This is the first Maxwell-based card to receive the ROG treatment, which in addition the above includes things like LED lighting and a sturdy backplate.</p> <p>Connectitivy options consist of a native Dual-Link DVI-I port, HDMI 2.0 output, and three Native DisplayPort 1.2 outputs.</p> <p>No word yet on when the card will be available or for how much.</p> <p><em>Follow Paul on <a href="" target="_blank">Google+</a>, <a href="!/paul_b_lilly" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and <a href="" target="_blank">Facebook</a></em></p> asus Build a PC Gaming graphics card Hardware liquid cooling poseidon gtx 980 Republic of Gamers ROG Video Card News Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:39:37 +0000 Paul Lilly 28898 at AMD Bumps RAM to 8GB on Radeon R9 290X, Announces Civilization: Beyond Earth Bundle <!--paging_filter--><h3><img src="/files/u69/amd_radeon_r9_290x.jpg" alt="AMD Radeon R9 290X" title="AMD Radeon R9 290X" width="228" height="158" style="float: right;" />Combine bundles for more gaming goodness</h3> <p>The barrage of game bundles continues today with <strong>AMD announcing that qualifying purchases of Radeon R9 295X2, R9 290X, or R9 290 graphics cards will be score a free copy of Sid Meier's Civilization: Beyond Earth</strong>. Purchases must be made from a participating retailer or e-tailer between today and either February 28, 2015, or when AMD's supply of download codes is exhausted, whichever comes first. But wait, it gets better.</p> <p>AMD says you can combine the offer with its <a href="" target="_blank">Never Settle: Space Edition</a> promotion, meaning even more free games are up for grabs. All three cards mentioned above qualify for the Gold reward tier in the Never Settle bundle, giving you a choice of three additional titles.</p> <p>"I personally have enjoyed more than 500 hours of game time with the Sid Meier’s Civilization franchise, and I’m thrilled by what AMD and Firaxis Games have done with the Mantle graphics API to make Beyond Earth a smooth, high-performance marvel," <a href="" target="_blank">said Roy Taylor</a>, corporate vice president, ISV/IHV Partner Group, AMD. "AMD believes that gamers should freely experience that remarkable development work, and our new Sid Meier’s Civilization: Beyond Earth promotion offers exactly that as a ‘thank you’ to new AMD Radeon customers."</p> <p>There's also a new graphics card thrown into the mix. As <a href="">previously rumored</a>, AMD added an 8GB version of its Radeon R9 290x to its lineup to help with Civilization: Beyond Earth and "next-generation PC games that crave larger GPU frame buffers." The 8GB card will be available sometime this month, though AMD didn't say how much it will cost.</p> <p>That additional on-board memory isn't likely to do much on a Full HD 1080p monitor, but once you get into 4K territory, the larger frame buffer can help with high-resolution textures. The caveat there is that it typically takes two GPUs to game comfortably at 4K. An 8GB card is also a safety of sorts against what tomorrow's games might require.</p> <p><em>Follow Paul on <a href="" target="_blank">Google+</a>, <a href="!/paul_b_lilly" target="_blank">Twitter</a>, and <a href="" target="_blank">Facebook</a></em></p> amd Build a PC games graphics card Hardware radeon r9 290x 8gb sid meier's civilization: beyond earth Software Video Card News Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:14:40 +0000 Paul Lilly 28849 at