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COMMANDER_COOK

If you still have full access to the underlying Linux, then that means you could side load other programs like emulators. There are a lot of emulators available for Linux like PCSX2, which means you could get a lot of the backwards compatibility that the PS4 doesn't let you have.

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Slowman

I really want to see this fly but I have my doubts. True Steam has 65 million users and around 85% of them uses Windows in one variety or another. I'm with alot of you that wants a light weight fast OS. But at what price? How many people are going to turn there back on the massive game library that the Windows os offers for a couple of hundred indie games? There are some good games including Valve's titles but what other triple A titles are coming linux's way? How many gamers are going to stop playing CoD or BF4 to switch over to SteamOS? 6 months from now how many are going to be satisfied with 30 new indie ports when their friends are playing Titanfall, GTAV or Eldar Scrolls on line? The answer is not many. It will take a massive exodus from Windows and not 1 or 2 million but 10 or 20 million gamers for the major players to take notice.

Now Valve can still pull this off but they need some blockbuster announcements when they roll this out. If they can't get some serious developer support ASAP then it will be what I've posted before. The steam box will be for streaming.

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jbitzer

Here's what happens:

Gabe sits down with (developer of your choice)

Gabe: I have 65 million users. You don't have to host servers, worry about DRM, establish a matching service, pay for patches, or pay an MS license fee, all you have to do is make a linux version (guess what, it's not all that expensive when looking at the overall dev costs of games)

Developer: You want a timed exclusive with that?

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Slowman

It sounds good but the meeting can also go this way too.

Gabe: I've got 65 million steam subscribers and want to launch a new os with minimal user base, a new style controller and a console style pc with hardware that costs more than the new consoles. But the os can be installed on desktops and is free. So stop the development on your other platforms and get cracking on Steamos.

Developer: Nice to meet you Gabe now meet my statistics team. Let's see half of your users use single or dual core cpu's*. Boy BF4 must drag on them. Oh that must be why about 40% of your subscribers main display is 1366x768 or worst. Now lets look at financials trends....(2hours of boring data later.) Hhhmm very interesting, a significant portion of your base has substandard hardware. They are tied to windows due to production software, don't want to start over or they're normal people that buy a computer and have no idea what linux is. Sir, I have my doubts about your 65 million. .65 sounds more realistic.

Gabe: But,but they love me....

I hope that at CES they make some great software announcements not just ones on hardware. Some quality game releases will give them a chance. But to think that all of valve's customers are going to give Microsoft the finger and switch is well...Pass the pipe you've had enough.

*Taken from Valves hardware survey.

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jbitzer

Because porting the game to linux would totally mean they have to stop production on everything els- oh wait, no it doesn't.

Devs don't give 2 shits what size display people are running, else they'd be totally behind the PS3's 3d gaming capabilities.

All I need is the game streaming, I already cancelled my ps4 preorder because my money would be better spent on more PC gear. I guess we'll just see.

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Gikero

I love it. ^^^

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Obsidian

Standard AV equipment is a little more than 17-inches wide. I think this should be the target width. It would get the hardware designers 5-inches of space in one direction (netting 150+ cubic inches of room) for better cooling and more possibilities. I understand this is supposed to be some sleek console-like box, but by making it a standard width it will look more at home with actual stereo equipment and other under-the-TV boxes (DVD players Blu Ray rigs etc).

At some point Valve has to face the price this design will command ($1000+) and stop trying to make it look like just a crazy-expensive console alternative. Physical differentiation can't hurt the marketing department all that much.

That additional space would also be able to house the power supply and a better CPU cooler.

I realize all this is purely academic, since anyone will be able to build the Steam Box of their dreams. Microsoft is pretty hosed in the future. They stand to loose out big if this catches on.

I'm still looking for the streaming play box (specs) from Valve. I want to know what hardware is going to be needed to make that work on all ends of the equation. Many games I play still need DirectX, but if I can stuff a 'server' box in my basement somewhere and have a roaming small console brick that I can plug in anywhere in the house ... that could be pretty incredible.

Where is that vision-less hack UpYourBucket that tried to discredit my streaming A/V predictions for the Steam platform? Looks like Oliva Munn is baking me cookies while you cry in the corner.

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Slowman

I agree, I'll be very surprised if Nvidia doesn't launch it's own Steam box with a tegra 4 inside for game streaming.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

So you get one of these for games and an Apple for work stuff, while Microsoft slits its own throat, trying to figure out what an OS is for.

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TheRyGuy

It looks "real" good, as opposed to "fake" good? Adverbs, my friend, adverbs.

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jedisamurai

This is only the beginning, but devices like this WILL result in the death of the Windows gaming platform. There are just too many game-breaking bugs introduced by Microsoft patches, and too much hassle in general involved in gaming vs console gaming. A PC console has been a LOOOOOOONG time in coming, but I'm glad a real one is finally almost here. Now all we need is for the darn thing to support GOG games somehow and I can stop buying PCs.

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legionera

I wish I was smoking the same thing you do.

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fung0

It's not so much Valve luring us away from Windows, as it is Microsoft chasing us away. Dead-ending DirectX, locking up the software marketplace, total snub to Windows gaming at E3 and other events... it's obvious that all the love has gone out of this relationship.

I don't think Valve ever had any ambition to be in the OS business, any more than they wanted to be in the software retail business. All they're doing is preparing a fallback, just like they did when games stores abandoned PC gaming. It's a formidable challenge, for sure. But given Valve's moderate success with Steam (65 million users and counting), it would be rash to underestimate their chances with SteamOS.

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BrainFlush

You summed it up. MS hates us for gaming and it is evident. Look at the Bungie story. Started on Apple, got bought for PC, MS decided that wasn't good enough lets make a console and to hell with PC but only as an after thought and here we are 20 years later without Halo/Bungie anything on PC aside from 1-2 which both were nearly 2 years later. Don't get me started on GoW or MGS.

I see it like this. I will gladly use SteamOS aka Linux for all my gaming purposes. Streamline everything and just make it work and I am sold. As long as I get the best possible experience out of my games, I am good to go.

To the OP, if GOG supports Linux I see no reason as to why you cannot install their program. This is after all going to be Linux with a Steam UI.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

If it had mouse & keyboard support, it would be an attractive alternative to gaming with future subscription-based versions of Windows.

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Obsidian

Remind me NEVER to take anything you write seriously again. LOL ... does Linux support a M&KB ... omg ... ahahaha.

Unless this was a sarcastic post, which you've been totally incapable of in the past without some outright condescension (see above for an example).

I don't know what it is about console-minded people but they can't get over the form factor defining the things a piece of tech can do. Like those that think comparing the MS Surface Pro to a Kindle is somehow legitimate.

I suppose this outlines the immense mental hurdles when breaking new ground.

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limitbreaker

LoL

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PCLinuxguy

It's a Linux-based PC (Thinking Ubuntu or Debian as the base for the SteamOS) with USB 3.x ports. So, KB/M are supported just as it would be if it was running Windows.

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BrainFlush

Please tell me this is some new form of sarcasm?

How in the hell does this not have support for M/KB? Tell me that?

My god internet you win today.

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BrainFlush

Double post

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jimmthang

I don't see why you couldn't plug in your own keyboard and mouse.

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zaphodbeeblebrox 42

looks like its good for on the couch chilling for most games. If you are doing fast paced FPS it doesnt look like it will outperform the mouse. interesting idea though.

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fung0

From what you can see in Valve's video, it looks like the new controller will be WAY better than a gamepad for FPS. I agree that it probably won't be quite as good as the mouse and keyboard... but if it even narrows the gap, it would unlock a huge potential in gaming options for the living room.

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BrainFlush

Have you watched any prototype videos of them playing and FPS with this controller? Pretty Fing amazing. Blows all other controllers out of the water.

But of course M/KB will most likely never be beat.

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jbitzer

The only prototype video I've seen is the one they released. They were playing counter strike like I'd expect my aunt with cerebral palsy would.

That video made controlling the game with a ham sandwich look more accurate.