Surface 2 is Coming and Here's What We Know

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Shalbatana

Hey let's hope they're a little better, or at least more upfront about HDD storage and how much the OS takes up.

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Mayhemm

I'm particularly interested in a Surface 2 Pro this time due to the potential energy/battery saving capabilities of the new Haswell chips compared to the outgoing model.

I'm surprises they still went with an i5 this time. I thought they might go for one of the system-on-chip models to try and reduce weight/power usage even more. Insufficient performance results?

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harkondo

I can see why the RT gets a bad rap, but I have a surface pro, and its great. I play full windows PC games, run IntelliJ, Office, and basically any other windows 8 app. So basically, its a laptop in the size of a tablet which is handy for someone like me who travels often. Show me another tablet that can match its capabilities.

The only downsides are the small hard drive which I offset with a micro sd cards, and it costs a bit more.

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Jademan

Finally, a PC done - kind of - right. Right?

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burntham77

RT's worst enemy are the x86 Atom tablets from companies like Asus and Lenovo. Those tablets are so thin and light that they make RT unnecessary. The Surface RT is a slick piece of hardware, no doubt, but MS might have been better off going the Atom route.

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hornfire3

Where's Maxeeemum? let's hear what he has to say. :D lol!

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maxeeemum

Hi!

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I Hate Logins

I'm a part time retail slave who sells a lot of Surfaces. I feel I should comment.

1. It sells well.

2. You have to sell it by it's good points. (there's a "right" tool for every job, sometimes it's the surface)

3. The RT version doesn't have to be as robust as Win 8 Home Premium for the same reason iPads don't have a full version of the Mac OS on them or the Android tablets can't run any program under the digital sun. Tegra processor? Bite-sized apps. (Low powered) i5? Full laptop capability. The RT is targeting the tablet market. The Pro is providing full computing functionality in a tablet package.

4. Quit complaining about the storage size, unless you like stupidly high price tags. If you're tech-nerd enough to post on a site called maximumpc, you should be embracing cloud storage for your mobile devices by now. Seriously, everyone's moving toward "the cloud". Run! You don't want to be left behind. No, seriously. If maximumpc, a for-profit company can trust the internet enough to put their business on it, you can rest easy knowing your illegaly downloaded mp3's and 17 drafts of that one college paper will always be there waiting for you to access them whenever you want. What if you're not in a wi-fi zone? Don't lie to me. It's embarrassing. You're always within range of an internet connection. You're connected to the internet right now. In an hour, guess what? I'll bet money you'll be in range of internet.

5. How do I sell the Surface? "It's the only tablet that can run Word and Outlook." This is where you scoff and say something about all the free word processing options and how Outlook sucks. Except businesses use these programs because they provide a standard that nearly all businesses use. And for college students who don't want to fix small formatting errors after translating their paper into Open Office, or business folks who were trained into the Outlook Calendar, Surface is the only device that can run the software they use.

It's important to note that I'm not saying the Surface Pro is wonderful. It's just occasionally the right tool that some people need. After all, you get a high def screen, a full-usb port (how many tablets have that?) you can plug in an external hard drive (how many tablets can do that?), it has a mini-display port plug, it has a decent keyboard, and it's one of the very few tablets to have an actual bona fide (low-voltage) laptop processor in it. Also, it runs Office.

Stop parroting the same complaints that you read on that one forum that one time. Think back to the days when you weren't afraid to try setting your VCR clock, and pushing random buttons on a new piece of tech wasn't an anguished-filled experience. Explore, like the techie you are! Get someone to point out a half dozen good things about Win 8 and play around with it for a bit. It just might grow on you. And if it doesn't? Oh well. You'll know you gave it the good ol' college try and you'll have actual specific things that you didn't like about the experience.

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btdog

I have to admit, as you are a "retail slave" I'm not sure if I should congratulate you or offer my condolences. But if you're selling a lot of them, then you must be quite good at what you do.

Still, it must not be selling that well - I can point to 900 million reasons that indicate it doesn't sell well.

While I understand your frustration of hearing "us" and customers stating the same gripes, I'll quit complaining about the storage when Microsoft says as part of the pitch "the Surface comes with a 64GB SSD, but you can only use half." And if I'm not near a WIFI connection, what good is the SkyDrive going to be? Even then, public WIFI is dangerous and dreadfully slow; accessing the SkyDrive using a pay-as-you-go private network would be spotty at best.

And just because someone else has complained about similar issues doesn't mean those concerns are null and void for me. I actually planned on buying a Surface RT but when I heard it would run a hobbled Office, and I experienced the MS Marketplace on Win 8, I had enough reasons to pass (plus it was way overpriced when it first came out, IMO).

Microsoft has been able to get away with ignoring many of the complaints about Win 8 because they are the Alpha Dog in Oses - not so much with tablets and I can guarantee they will get their butt handed to them on a platter if they decide to treat the complaints about the Surface the same way they have treated the complaints about Win 8. Worse, MS is in a precarious situation. If MS fails at Surface 2 and backs out afterwards, not only will they provide added fodder to the naysayers and pretty much kill any future attempts at the hardware market, but they will alienate the customers that invested in the platform. Bottom line: Surface 2 has to overcome the sins of its predecessor and provide consumers a compelling reason to buy it.

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legionera

=== Still, it must not be selling that well - I can point to 900 million reasons that indicate it doesn't sell well.===

Go ahead!

=== While I understand your frustration of hearing "us" and customers stating the same gripes, I'll quit complaining about the storage when Microsoft says as part of the pitch "the Surface comes with a 64GB SSD, but you can only use half." And if I'm not near a WIFI connection, what good is the SkyDrive going to be? Even then, public WIFI is dangerous and dreadfully slow; accessing the SkyDrive using a pay-as-you-go private network would be spotty at best. ===

So, to what "perfect" and non-existent tablet are you comparing surface to? A desktop you say? I will try to imagine the similarities between the two devices. All companies use the exactly same strategies to sell their stuff. The problem is the law not their marketing strategies.

=== And just because someone else has complained about similar issues doesn't mean those concerns are null and void for me. I actually planned on buying a Surface RT but when I heard it would run a hobbled Office, and I experienced the MS Marketplace on Win 8, I had enough reasons to pass (plus it was way overpriced when it first came out, IMO).===

Apparently you've never owned surface RT, hence your reasons exist only in your imagination.

I've owned surface Pro and RT. The reasons I returned Pro is because it was too expensive, heavy and overheating. As a student, I could not afford to loose or damage such a piece of hardware. Software wise and hardware wise it was superb and add the legacy support to that. Mmmm!

I've owned RT as well. TBH, RT was a great tablet. Lightweight, inexpensive, comfortable to carry, and it has Touch Office. IMO, the best tablet that could exist for students, grandparents and parents that need only particular TOOLS = Skype, browsing, office, pdf reader, email, and to watch pictures and videos. The reason I returned it, I wish it had a faster cpu. But that's just me. For other people should be just fine. The experience was very, very good with both devices.

My question to you is, do you feel a tingling around your anal sphincter? Psssst! You getting fucked!

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maxeeemum

@legionera

Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pure babble! Were you drinking?

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legionera

yet, it's light years better than your struggling efforts to lift your fingers from the shift and the #1 key.

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maxeeemum

???

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

I wonder how many accounts BINARYGOD will create in his desperate trolling of the MaximumPC web site?

http://www.maximumpc.com/windows_9_and_windows_10_rumors_already_making_rounds2013

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maxeeemum

@I Hate Logins

LOL! Nice try!

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legionera

Dear sir, you are a simpleton.

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maxeeemum

@legionera

Ahhhhhh! Yeah!

Well it's simple anyone who says something like "tingling around your anal sphincter?" is an idiot.

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legionera

If that's the first thing that comes up to your mind in your defense, no wonder you can't explain your pov in more than a couple of words. Simpleton, is the right title for you sir. Carry it with pride!

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maxeeemum

LOL! OK!

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legionera

I am delighted that you agree with my statement.

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maxeeemum

Yep! I'm happy you agree with what you are too. But I'm just laughing at you!

It's funny how your type feel I'm obliged to get into a flame war with you. It's just a waste of time. In your eyes you are right and I am wrong! So I don't bother!

But it looks like I'm probably dealing with the same person using multiple user names.

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legionera

If you think that this is a matter of right and wrong, you are far beyond the point intended. The problem with your comments is that they are not providing any information other than your personal opinion mixed with hearsay and imagination. This is a logical flaw, as one could see that you have an argument and that you are unable to support it.

You can't get in a "flame war" with me because you consider explaining yourself a "waste of time". I can't force you to be reasonable and logical sir. Whoever you want to be is your choice. I am just giving you a free evaluation of your current outlook considering your limited and unsupported input in the comment section.

I have only one account. Perhaps, the other person saw your obvious flaws as well. Don't get mad at them, just accept that you are simpleton.

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maxeeemum

What a bunch of crap! I see I was wrong about you! You are much more than an idiot. You now sound female or ...........

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legionera

Ad hominem.

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PCWolf

Windows RT is BAD, it causes too much confusion among consumers who are not tech savvy enough to know the difference between Pro & RT. Windows RT needs to be discontinued.

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btdog

First, I applaud Microsoft for not curling into a little ball and pretending the Surface was just a bad dream. If at first you don't succeed...

At the same time, you can't throw in a faster SOC, slap "2" on the moniker and repeat the same old song-and-dance from the previous failure. You have to learn from your mistakes:

**RT has to be able to run all Microsoft software, including Office
**64GB SSDs are not going to cut it - you have to increase the size so the user has at least 64GB of their own to play with. Using that as a starting point, the actual SSD is going to have to be at least 90GB
**The Pro needs to be sold as a tool needed to conduct business that also doubles as an entertainment device, NOT just another tablet
**If Microsoft is gearing these devices to the younger crowd and expecting them to be their base (which almost certainly they are), they've already lost the battle
**Microsoft has to find that one "X" factor that will "wow" consumers and cause people to re-consider the Surface. Let's face it, Surface 1 has done so much damage to the name, the Surface 2 is already at a disadvantage and by most people considered DOA (even though it hasn't even A'd yet).

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PCWolf

If at first you don't succeed, you put the poop in a different colored box & hope the fools didn't notice it?

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legionera

In some fields it's called SPAM

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Brick

If they added cellular service we will be buyers.

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bjoswald

I don't think anyone will care this time either. Microsoft's strangehold on the market is fading. Apple knows it, Google knows it, Gates knows it, Ballmer knows it, and finally, WE know it.

Microsoft has been riding on the coattails of Office and Windows for decades. Apple, in comparison, has not changed OS X much either, but at least Apple has revolutionized how we do things (iPhone, iPod, iTunes, etc). What has Microsoft done?

(And before anyone whines about "fanboyism", I don't use Windows or Mac OS X, nor do I have a cell phone, Surface or Macbook.)

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legionera

"Microsoft's strangehold on the market is fading."

Wut? Where did you read that?

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hornfire3

"Apple knows it, Google knows it, Gates knows it, Ballmer knows it, and finally, WE know it."

Where's Linux? dont forget that one.

btw +10000 Internet for you

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I Hate Logins

Android is linux.

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Erris

If they increase battery life to 8+ hrs and use a decent hi-res screen (>=300ppi), they might pull it off.

I know I would prefer to use a table with a full fledged OS rather than an Android/iOS tablet.

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r3dd4wg

Does Microsoft have Robert Wagners old playbook from when he was CEO of GM? Continue making something nobody wants??? Well, if Microsoft wants to bleed billions in cash (like GM did), go right ahead.

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PCWolf

No no!!! It's going to be different this time!!! They are adding a Kick stand! Omg! & 2x the Ram!! *gasp*

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Mikey109105

After the big "FAIL" of the first Surface, they're going to be retarded enough to make ANOTHER one? Well, onless it comes in anything other than Windows 8 (or anything related to 8), I guarantee no one will touch it! You cannot fix the problem with Surface (which was the OS NOBODY likes) by polishing the turd with better tech specs and putting it back on the shelf!

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hornfire3

basically to make things easier to explain,
*Ahem*

(recalling a comment of his from a previous post)

"I dont care what iteration they're on, I WOULDN'T TOUCH 8 [NOR THE SURFACE] EVEN IF THEY PAID ME!!!!!!"

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Hey.That_Dude

This might not be too much of a flop... all that has to happen is for all the iPads of the world to break and for apple to exit the tablet market.
I honestly don't know where their market is for these.

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glpeter90

Microsoft should stick with what it does best, and that is software. And they have more than a handful to take care of with WIN8. The majority of personal computer users in the future will be in the office, not at home. The office user of Windows won't give a crap about touch screens, so there is little reason for them use WIN8. The home user will probably buy a tablet, but unless there is a compelling reason to buy one with Windows installed, will probably choose the best value. Is Microsoft offering them that choice of best value?

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dedgar

".... though Surface Pro 2 is said to run around the same as the original."

Guess they just didn't learn the first time.

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Will.Rubin

First gen Surface's problem wasn't memory or processor or any other hardware issue. Its problem was the OS! Did they fix that?

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Upyourbucket

Paul Lilly has been listening to Obama I think. Obama always says that,"Here is what we know".. Its okay Paul sometimes I think we all have been listening to him too much.

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Paul_Lilly

Actually, I'm practicing for my run for presidency. I'm forming the PC party, though I welcome console constituents as well.

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Upyourbucket

lol okay. So PC and Console. Both sides of the aisle. Nice :)

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LGA1156

Unless they are price 199 and 299, get ready for another microflop

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amirault0

$299 for the latest Gen x86 CPU and 8GB of RAM!? Never going to happen, but we can dream. I highly doubt that the RT version will be close to $299.

PS There is nothing micro about the surface flops lol