Column: Stop the Windows 8 Hate

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methuselah

TROLL ALERT!!

Nothing to see here!
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Move along...

Move along...

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Jademan

Awesome comment! Worth reading!!

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logicmaster2003

he is not Asian. He is asiatic American ! Logically, Asian means a person living in Asia. Asiatic American means a person living in America with asiatic feature.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Bullshit

The only Americans are native Americans ya racist bastard

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LatiosXT

Oh boy, one of these people.

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legionera

It is always good to see racists like you still existing online. You could point them to your children and teach them what they should not become in future.

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bling581

LOL what? He's racist because he said he was Asian? Get real.

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legionera

Apparently you don't know what racism means, but you ask me to "get real"...

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bling581

You're taking his comment way overboard. Calling him little and poor does not make it a racist comment. First of all a lot of Asians ARE short. I work with many Asians, most being a head shorter than I. I also don't think he meant poor as in poor financially. I'm sure Maximum PC pays him very well. Stop being an ignorant troll.

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legionera

@bling581
I just got real like you told me.

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PCLinuxguy

It's not a racist comment he made, just a pathetically ignorant comment.

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TheFirstRuleAbo...

Actually, I just realized my hate for Windows 8, long dissipated into indifference, has now become a quiet sort of love. Because without it I would have never been moved to go beyond dabbling with the occasional Linux installation and make the full switch over to it.

It's been months since I stopped thinking of myself "using Linux" and started thinking of it simply as "my computer", just as I did using Windows. Where arguments rage in Windows world about how to adapt to the choices MS defines and curtails for us, in Linuxland the arguments are about how to utilize the infinite choices of an operating system that ANYONE can change to ANYTHING - which they often do.

No one will ever write an article or complain about having to "accept" Linux. Immunity to that is written into Linux's DNA - the immunity called "freedom".

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Xenux

I concur good sir.

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PCLinuxguy

Agreed.

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PCLinuxguy

Considering Gordon is not a fanboy (except for Intel CPUs), if he can accept Windows 8 then so can everyone else. He's the no nonsense kind of person that probably waved the Win 7 flag and the blue and black facepaint claiming that you can "take away 7 and give me 8 when you pry 7 from my cold dead hands" type.

People need to just stop being whiny noobs and just learn the damn OS and tweak it to their liking (as we've all done for decades) and get the F over it. I get that it's "new and scary because it's different" but seriously, you can't call yourself a computer enthusiast or power user and be baffled by how to adapt to a new OS. Not saying you should abandon 7 and rush windows 8 onto your machines either, merely to grow the heck up instead of making alot of noise over something as insignificant as the G**damn start screen.

This is just as asinine as when Windows 95 came out with the taskbar and start menu instead of the way earlier versions of Windows operated. "Why do we need a button and all this other junk? it gets in the way of productivity." Then with Vista and 7 "I use windows classic because that Aero crap slows my system down and looks tacky." (and oddly enough they complained when Windows 8 scaled back on aero because they missed the eye candy that aero provided in windows 7 despite complaining about aero)

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TheFirstRuleAbo...

"you can't call yourself a computer enthusiast or power user"

I don't. Never have. Never wanted to. So what?

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PCLinuxguy

basically all this bitching about a start page is asinine. just use what works for you and get the F over it.

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fdhealy

I can't use what works for me because the Start Button, win8.1, won't have a Start Menu. A simple addition that MS refuses to do out of ego pride. If they would just do that one little thing I would upgrade. Start8 solves the problem but why do I have to rely on a third party vendor to fix MS's OS.

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PCLinuxguy

So you've never used -any- third party programs in -any- version of Windows you've used to 'replace' what comes with Windows already? Not only that but the "fix" is part of customization. Personalizing/customizing an OS is not "fixing" what the manufacturer didn't. And yes. Windows start button/menu replacements count as personalizing/customizing.
By your logic, that means using wallpaper that didn't come from MS, using a program like Thunderbird instead of outlook, AVG instead of bitdefender, and a browser that's not IE are all "fixes" I've done to Windows because of Microsoft's failure to custom design an OS for each and every single user on a per user basis?

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TheFirstRuleAbo...

I believe that's exactly what I said with my first post.

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PCLinuxguy

I'll go back and check.

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TheFirstRuleAbo...

I'll await your report. Will it be in triplicate?

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PCLinuxguy

You've made my day (in a good way).

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jgottberg

After reading these comments on Windows 8 for a year now, it just dawned on me why people are so polarized by it. I can't speak for everyone but there are weeks at a time when I'm spending more time with my OS than with my girlfriend. It's a very personal relationship that you have to have with the OS... You have to trust it and rely on it. Right now, Windows 7 is the apple of my OS eye. It performs as expected everyday, no surprises. I'll get to like Windows 8 (I don't have a deep-seeded hatred for it as some do) at some point and then I'll have to say goodbye to old Win7 faithful.

Guys make connections like these whereas most women don't. Think about it... No girl I have ever met could care less if she's using Vista, ME, XP, iOS, Android... Makes no difference to them.

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Rift2

I'm not going to switch to 8.1 due to the bugs I had in preview CPU meter wouldn't work for me so that was enough to switch back to 8.0
Direct X 11.1 and IE 11 are the only things I'll be missing.

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methuselah

You know there's a "pause" in task manager on the Meter's right?

You sure the CPU meter wasn't simply paused?

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misterz100

8.1 is still in preview for normal 8.0 users.
Also 8.0 wont be supported much longer all support is transfering to 8.1 if I read the article right.

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maxeeemum

So Gordon can you use those 5 tips to cure your ha...... I mean dislike for Apple products???

Despite what those who have accepted Windows 8 say here it will have little effect on the average user (general public). Windows 7 and XP will reign for many years to come. Windows 8 will never pass them for most used OS.

Windows 8 and 8.1 are just extremely poorly designed. Their real purpose is to sell smartphones and tablets (even Office) but instead has stifled them.

And it's not hate it's war!

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misterz100

Putting XP in there is kind of pointless, XP is just plain old and outdated, the plug will be pulled on it next year anyway, no more security updates no updates for anything for it. Yes it was a sweet OS but it's extremly outdated now and has run its course. No matter how awesome your vehicle is at some point it has to go to the scrap yard, unless you plunge more money into it to keep it going but I dont think you would do that with your Win XP, just get windows 7 and use that till the next good OS (wich... looking at how MS has been doing things should be windows 9 lol)

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maxeeemum

@misterz100
I guess you didn't get what I said. I've said this before I believe XP will be the 2nd most used OS till at least 2016. XP users when faced with Windows 8 or sticking with what they've got most will stay with XP. Even if M$ stops support!

M$ has already stated it will continue support for businesses beyond April 2014 for a price, And Google will support Chrome till April 2015. I'm sure many more will follow. XP is far from over after April 2014.

XP will fade when M$ realizes their huge mistake. Maybe by Win9 or 10! LOL!

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2055225/google-guarantees-chrome-support-for-windows-xp-through-april-2015.html

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PCLinuxguy

Don't tell that to Bullwinkle on here. He'll debate you to death about XP.

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hypersonic

I wonder how many people who like win8 would like it less if there was no third part start button software ?
P.S:
If you build it they will come ? Every now and again the dog does wag the tail.

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admobadmo

Oddly enough, with all this moaning over the lack of the Start button for the last year+, it's been there all along, right smack dab in the middle of the Charms bar.

Admittedly, however, bringing the Charms bar out from the right side of the screen to use it is extraordinarily difficult...

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pastorbob

Said it many times before and I'll say it again. Never used the start button/menu in previous versions of Windows so what's to miss?

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misterz100

I dont get that, how did you get into system settings without it then? (on past OSs)

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pastorbob

Right click Computer (or My Computer in XP and earlier) shortcut on desktop. Select Properties.

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alcexhim

Win+R, type "control", press ENTER.

Launches Control Panel in just about any version of Windows ever made (and if you like Windows 3.1, just change "Win+R" to "Alt+F,R" when Program Manager is focused ;) )

If you're on a normal GNOME-based distribution of Linux, Alt+F2 usually opens the "Run" dialog there.

I don't have experience with Mac OS, so I don't know if there's an equivalent for that.

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Hawkfriend

I don't have a third party start button and i still like it :P

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Fray

When there was an uproar over the Xbox One concepts, Microsoft backed down pretty damned quick. There's no reason to move into apathetic despair about dealing with the ridiculously stupid Metro interface.

I won't stop complaining about Metro until (a) it is done away with, and the Windows platform is better than Windows 7 instead of worse, or (b) I finally give up on Windows PCs and buy a Mac (interface is better, although upgradability sucks) or (one day I hope) a desktop steambox.

What are the two concrete reasons Gordon gives for accepting the pain and misery of Windows 8?

1. There’s an inbuilt utility to measure clock speed that’s as good as an existing Intel utility.
2. It can natively trim his SSD drive.

Wow. That’s some endorsement. Let me get me some of that Microsoft stock immediately.

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pastorbob

3. It's faster than previous versions. Boot time is shorter and programs load much faster. Installs in a fraction of the time.

4. Supports more hardware out of the box.

5. Search features (especially within documents) are more thorough than with previous versions.

6. Numerous features that previously required a third party app are now native in Windows 8.

I could go on but it is what it is. Either you like it or you don't. Either you will adapt or you won't. I have used it since October 31, 2012 and have never missed Windows 7.

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Fray

If Windows 8 had those features and no Metro - or had an optional Metro - then it would have been a disappointing upgrade from Windows 7 - a nice service pack, but a disappointing upgrade. My PC doesn't boot much faster at all, and I don't care about the other points.

But instead they removed the gadgets I liked from the desktop. To try and force me into the ridiculously stupid Metro. Their hubris and disdain for their customers has caused large numbers of people incredible confusion. All in some desperate plot to wrap us safely within the Microsoft bosom.

Let me ask you, Pastor. Are you reading this within Metro, from the Maximum PC app?

It's a trick question of course, as there is no message board within the Maximum PC Metro app.

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pastorbob

If Metro is your main complaint about Windows 8 then you have no complaint. I access Metro about 5% of the time and that is more out of curiosity than need. Everything I do on my PC I can do from the desktop without a Start Button/Menu and that includes any gadget functionality found in Windows 7 gadgets I previously used.

As I said, you either like it or don't. I am not trying to convince you to like it. And for every example you cite for disliking it, I can cite reasons for why I like it.

When the rubber meets the road all of the reasons I have heard from anybody for disliking it boils down to one simple fact - resistance to change.

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alcexhim

I never understood why so many Web sites were providing "app" versions of their Web sites.

Especially if there's less functionality, what's the point, when you could just load your Web browser app and navigate to the Web site through that?

Perhaps Pastor is composing his message from Maximum PC's Web site, using the Internet Explorer Metro app.

I have to admit I was intrigued by Metro when I first saw it, and I even played around with some of the default Metro apps that come with Win8. Key phrase being "played around with" — I really don't see how anyone could do anything productive with the state of Metro now.

And here's something really interesting... where is the Metro version of Visual Studio, Microsoft's flagship development environment? Why isn't Microsoft eating their own dogfood?

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Xenux

I'm in the acceptance stage. Accepting that I'll never use windows 8 because I'm just not compelled to do so even with the third party classic start menu programs. I'm also accepting that some people like it, some (most)don't. To each their own.There are some under the hood improvements like better multi monitor support and storage pooling, faster boot times amongst other things. At home my gaming rig runs windows 7 Ultimate x64 and my somewhat older laptop runs Linux Mint 13 x64 with LXDE desktop environment. On a side note serious LULZ to any paranoids on here claiming Gordon was paid off/threatened by Microsoft for getting used to using Win8. Good day sirs I say GOOD DAY!!!

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riopato

Judging the comments from many haters of windows 8 has me to believe that Apple users have a more flexible attitude toward new concepts when it comes to using their personal computing. The hate that doesn't seem to end has me wondering if Apple users ever criticized the UI when it is compared to IOS and Mac? I really can't find any arguments against why the iPad doesn't have finder or complaints of only being able to upgrade their mac via the half ass app store. No one ever sued Apple for not being able to install PhotoShop on an iPad nor did they ever had any difficulty using the touch interface.
I guess the real problem with windows 8 isn't windows 8 itself but maybe the problem with windows in general is their users. No wonder Apple is doing well, they have windows users on their side.

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PCLinuxguy

Most computer problems can be narrowed down to the end user, and indeed this is one of them.

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riopato

This end user I happily using windows 8 and isn't looking back

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Fray

Step 1. Get a job writing drivel for a PR splurging company that talks up the horrendous Windows 8 on message boards.

Step 2. Document everything you are told to do. Take screenshots and photos. Get the inside scoop.

Step 3. Contact the major newspapers and news services. This kind of story will sell internationally so hold out for a really good offer.

Step 4. Help the winning investigative journalists do their story.

Step 5. Pick up your money from the bank.

Step 6. Apply for a job at another PR splurging agency.

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riopato

Great outline breakdown. Got any situation comedy ideas you want to sell?

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Eagle70ss

Also don't forget...Microsoft's flagship XBone game demonstrations at E3 were actually running WIN 7 OS PCs with nvidia cards(3x more power than Xbone graphics..gtx 780 I think). What's wrong Micro? Don't trust your Windows 8 product on the big stage? yeah, I didn't think so.