Column: Stop the Windows 8 Hate

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Pulagatha

1. An option to choose to install Metro when installing Windows.
2. Notification Center.
3. Tabs in the File Explorer. (And Tags on files.)
4. A Button Organizer (Profile Manager) for the File Explorer.
5. A more refined desktop app store (and a desktop app for the desktop app store)
6. Refined search through the File Explorer (or the Start Menu if they bring that back.)
7. A desktop messenger app (an updated Skype app) and an Alarm app
8. Combine the Menu Bar and Title bar.
9. A corner tab (not hidden) for auto hide for the desktop taskbar.
10. DeviantArt themes on the Windows Store. (Approved Themes. Snowy 3.0 is a great example.)
11. Movable Multi-Desktop. (Desktops v2.0)
12. Customization I feel is very important to a users experience. Another main complaint about Apple's iOS is how little the operating system is customizable. Some of the tips and tricks on the internet like how to go into Windows and change something via RegEdit made Windows much more enjoyable to me. (I'm glad I found the "Last Active Window" registry edit and the "Remove The Command Bar" registry edit.)
13. An option to view the clipboard in the navigation pane of the File Explorer.
14. The ability to pin documents to the Start Screen and to the Taskbar.
15. On/Off Toggles , RSS Feed Headlines, and System Information Tiles on the Start Screen.
16. A "Close Other Program" option when presented with the "Unable To Copy" Dialog Window.
17. The magnetic snap from AllSnap for desktop windows.
18. The double-click background space to go one folder up option from QTTabBar.
19. WizMouse Features
20. Features Like Bins From 1UP Industries, And Fences From Stardock
21. Bring Back AeroGlass and refine the desktop icons for the Metro iconography.

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Mungo

The biggest reason people don't buy a smartphone and the mandatory data plan is the ready availability of computers and wifi.

It seem the W8 solution is to turn all computers into smart phones and all smart phones into computers.

I hope this doesn't lead to a data plan model for all internet access.

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RandomInt

An easy way to customize Windows is by adding custom toolbars to the Taskbar.

1. (Optional) Right-click in an empty area on the Taskbar. From the context menu, uncheck "Lock the taskbar." This will allow you to reposition a new toolbar.

2. Right-click in an empty area on the Taskbar. From the context menu, select Toolbars > New toolbar.

3. From the folder picker dialog, navigate to the folder you want to appear on the Taskbar, then click the Select Folder button.

4. (Optional) Reposition the new toolbar by dragging its handle.

By default, some folders are hidden (e.g., C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs). These folders can be made visible by going into Control Panels > Folder Options > the View tab.

For additional flexibility, you can add Symbolic Links and Junctions to a toolbar folder:
superuser.com/questions/347930/what-are-the-various-link-types-in-windows-how-do-i-create-them

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Pulagatha

I like the Start Screen and the iconography. I don't see the need to put another system on top of another. It just provides all the same functions of the desktop anyways. I don't see the need to put another system on top of another. It just provides all the same functions of the desktop anyways. I like Metro. I don't like the off screen swiping gestures to bring up hidden UI. I think the Charms Bar should be part of the Start Screen. I wish they would keep the two operating systems separate because it makes Microsoft's appeal to the market more encompassing.

There's a lot of hate in these comments. How is it ever going to get better if people don't complain and specifically point to the problem about it in the first place?

And it's just getting down right derogatory in these comments.

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rayi23

I'm afraid you will eventually have to accept Windows 8 if you buy a new PC. But I wonder how many people would really bother to purchase Windows 8.1 as an upgrade if they are already using Windows 7. That is the question. I doubt Windows 8 retail sales are very good. You would have to be a die hard microsoft fanboy if you did purchase Window 8 upgrade retail. I don't care what people say. Windows 8 is absolutely ridiculous on a Desktop. You would have to install the Startmenu to make it functional because it is so annoying. Now on a small touch screen, it's a different story. I could never get used to Windows 8.

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igoka

Well so far 191 comments , 191 wow. Are you happy Gordon ? I don't remember Windows 7 did create so much controversy . There is also bad news for Gordon , i think nobody will take his opinions seriously anymore .

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PCLinuxguy

only the morons are the ones negatively judging/bashing Gordon for this article. Much like how He is an Intel fanboy, the AMD fanboys will bash him due to not liking AMD. His liking of Windows 8/8.1 is just another example of how haters will hate because they have nothing better to do.

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Ghost XFX

Problem is, neither you or Gordon can prove that MS didn't think like this.......

Vet Developer: "Aw crap! We forgot the start button! The power users will kill us!!"

College grad Developer: "Huh? Power users? Those creatures still exist? I swear they're like cavemen..."

VD: "We made this OS for mobile platforms, but we didn't even add an interface to give Desktop users a Start Button! We got to give them what they want!"

CGD: "Forget those guys, PC is dead after all. Hey, did you see my surface RT? I manage to put the Cast of Glee in the background!"

Steve Ballmer: "Whats going on here?"

CGD: "We forgot the start button for desktop users. He's freaking out..."

SB: "Wut? Desktop users still exist? Huhuhuhu........!"

So the sales of the W8 practically tanks before it's release. And the subsequent reviews reflected that of the consumers....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8#Reviews
(because I couldn't possibly take all damn day to list the links here for the PC lazy crowd...)

But we're just busting Gordon's glorious magnificent PC competent sack, because we have nothing better to do? Surely we're not the only ones that feel this way about W8 After all, it's been said that it was faster than W8....

Hey! Wait a sec! You're a Linux guy! What the hell do you think you're doing sticking up for Microsoft!?

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PCLinuxguy

I'm not sticking up for MS, just sticking up for the "Change is a good thing" aspect. This is no different than when Canonical developed their own DE called Unity. It was received with about as much (or less) thumbs up from the Linux community. As time has gone forward, Unity has only gotten better, but people still bash on it because "it's not the traditional desktop" or that it's "touch screen only". Is it traditional? No. Is it touch-centric only? No. And you'd think with the dozen of Desktop Environments out there and the ease of adding any one to the distro of your choosing, people still bash Canonical for Ubuntu's Unity DE and have jumped ship to Linux Mint or Zorin (both are Ubuntu-based), thinking that they are sending a message to Canonical.

I like Win8, Ubuntu's Unity DE, as well as Gnome 3/Gnome-Shell. I suppose I adapt to change better than most, as I've never been hindered by changes done to an OS by it's maker. Learning Linux after years of being a Windows Power User took about maybe a couple of hours. Same thing with Vista and Win8, as maybe 1 hour to adapt and it was smooth as butter afterward. The only Windows version that truly sucked was Windows Millennium Edition: it would crash even while sitting idle.

Yes I am a Linux guy. I've deployed servers and workstations using it as well as run it at home. However I cut my tech teeth on Windows and had to be proficient in it for holding employment. Right now I'm on OSX/Unix, Linux, and Windows.

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WarpathPS

You are telling fibs about learning Linux in 2 hours and while Ubuntu based OS's are pretty good, they are very unstable since the jump to Unity. This whole new rush to an Ubuntu phone OS has made these Ubuntu versions very unstable and a headache to work with.

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PCLinuxguy

right.. I have several certs and many years researching, deploying, and maintaining Linux and Windows based servers and workstations, so clearly I must be a complete liar.. /s

I learned Linux in 2 hours, Windows 8 in 10 minutes (without any touch screen or other touch-screen-like peripherals. just a basic KB+M) Unity is also far more desktop-like than Windows 8's tile UI.

Unity has it's quirks but people forget so easily that it's (still) a brand new from scratch UI that is evolving and getting better. You seriously can't expect something this new to be everything perfect to everyone right off the bat.. it takes time and R&D to improve a product based on (actual, not hater trolling) feedback.

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davelray

I think what you, PCLinuxGuy, are referring to is the general installation and adaptation to the interface of Linux. Which yeah around 2 hours is about all it takes. What Warpath is calling you out on is you said you "learned" Linux in 2 hours. Which is clearly not true. Nor can you "learn" Windows 8 in ten minutes. It takes hours and hours of training and studying to get those certifications you claim you have. I know, I have many of them myself. And unless you have an eidetic memory, you can't have learned everything there is to know about an operating system in only 2 hours. So you are either "fibbing" as Warpath puts it, or you are using the term "learned" incorrectly thus confusing anyone who read your post.

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PCLinuxguy

Much better clarification from your part, which would've made it easier to reply more accurately and the 'learning" may not be the correct term perhaps as you put it. However there are very few (like yourself) that could even comprehend it, which is why I didn't clarify.

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Ghost XFX

An aspect to consider here, Change is good, if done correctly. Because change for the sake of change is potentially bad for everyone involved. The idea of unifying all devices with one OS is a bold one, but it has to be done properly if it's to work well. And then it has to be a gradual change, not forced. To me, this type of OS was forced onto the public for acceptance. Just in that alone, I'll never support it.

More than anything else, it's the general thought of a desktop user being forced to use an OS that's actually designed for mobile platforms, essentially becoming a 3rd wheel of sorts...

If they're to make a universal OS, wouldn't it be better to start with the desktop users first, and trickle everything down from there? That way, a desktop user won't feel as if they're coming in a side window, instead of the front door. The one using the most resources should have priority. When they begin making mobile platforms as powerful as the average desktop, it probably wouldn't matter at all.

And even now with the recent update, desktop users are still struggling to implement W8. Take the average online gamer for example, The hoops that a gamer has to jump through to get this OS to work properly is just not acceptable. Compatibility, connectivity, Mouse issues in this day and age are totally unacceptable. Just in general, a majority of developers have frowned upon Metro and W8 in general. And even right now, there are gamers out there that have un-installed W8 and pissed off with MS for having bamboozled them, going back to 7 and playing just fine. All of this from the makers of Xbox.

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PCLinuxguy

Very thorough post. And yes I agree that starting with the desktop first and working your way down to mobile devices makes more sense, and that's what Canonical is doing with Ubuntu's Unity DE, as much of what you see has been implemented on the Ubuntu Touch for phones.
The move to Unity was both gradual and forced at the same time, as the Netbook Remix was the original implementation/ concept of the Unity desktop on Ubuntu 10.04. On 10.10 the Netbook Remix looked alot like what would be deployed as the main UI (replacing Gnome 2.x) on Ubuntu starting with 11.04 all the way to today.

Microsoft could've learned from this and began a gradual move to the metro tiles or just the full screen start page with apps, however in order to compete in the mobile segment they rushed in so they could make money rather than getting it right. I don't use the start page much, as I stick to the desktop 9/10 of the time. I've not had any issues adapting, and the only problems I've had with programs were MS 'third party' related (Games For Windows Live).

Other than that it's been smooth for me. I've not moved to 8.1 on the gaming rig due to reading about problems running Steam and some steam games on it. Once that gets sorted out I'll switch, as I've got 8.1 in a VM and it's tweaks are interesting compared to 8.0.

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maxeeemum

And the mess continues! I'm sticking with Windows 7! Even Vista and XP are better!

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/168910-windows-8-1-and-the-desktop-a-modest-improvement-we-still-cant-recommend

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Renegade Knight

So by mess you mean "Modest improvement"...

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machew100

Let's just never move away from traditional desktop icons. Let's all just use Windows 95. Cmon, it was a risk but it does have some high notes. Old desktop functionality is pretty drab. I personally find it more interesting, completely usable, and faster.

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maxeeemum

@machew100

You're my favorite deputy! LOL!

Sorry I can't take you seriously! But it's pretty obvious M$ is using Win8 to sell WP8 (tablets too). Hey they bought the Nokia phone Division. If you can't see it you're blind.

They want to sell WP8 real bad! So bad they are pissing off their core users and killing PC sales. Ignoring everyone and listening to the vocal minority. Like yourself! And failing!

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PCWolf

Should we remove steering wheels & Pedals from cars & replace them with buttons because because they are over 100 years old? Traditional Desktop Icons are great, and you have much control over them, unlike those lame giant touch tiles in Windows 8. Just because something is old does not mean it's bad, just as something that's new does not mean it's good. If you enjoy windows 8, stop worrying about Windows 7.

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HouseFoxx

Ironically enough, you never lost icons in windows 8 (and 8.1) and they're not going anywhere, you can also now re-size those "giant touch tiles".
Ever try to edit the start menu folders in windows 7?
If you enjoy Windows 7, stop worrying about Windows 8.

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PCWolf

Touch Tiles are for Tablet Junkies & Noobs.

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Renegade Knight

And power users to like that icons now show information making them more useful in a GUI.

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legionera

* PCWolf

Wonderful! You know what? I also get some sadistic thoughts when I see a bunch of ppl using IE while Ch and FF are installed on the same computers. But, do I start picking on them? Naaaah! I keep it for myself.

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PCLinuxguy

In the same vein as that statement:
"Hating on Touch Tiles is best left for archaic noobs."

Such bashing gets nothing done other than making oneself look like a complete asshat. If you like Windows 7, then don't worry about Windows 8.
Use What Works Best For You.
^_^

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HKUSPC40

Haven't tried it and have no need. It currently does not help me do anything better than what I can right now on Windows 7. Cruising the internet works the same regardless and I have not heard any benefits in regards to work related applications (Matlab, CS5, Revit, etc.). Not spending any money for the same thing with a shiny new wrapper.

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PCWolf

This is exactly how I feel. Nothing in Windows 8 that I need that I can't do in Windows 7.

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Perplexing Man

I remember years ago reading an article similar to this about how we should stop hating Vista and learn to love (in this case modify the hell out of it to make it work for you) it.

I'm sorry but I am not buying it. I dealt with Vista and it was at best usable after numerous registry entries and tweaks were made. I like many others welcomed Windows 7 with arms wide open.

Prior to Windows 7 XP was the way to go, nowadays I can't even stand to be on XP.

I've been using Windows 8 for about 5 months now and although I do like the (mentioned in article) task manager and such it's just not a system I like nor will it ever become my go to system.

I can only hope that Windows 9 turns out like Windows 7 as in I hope Microsoft learns from it's mistakes on Windows 8 and makes a system all of us can rave about.

But nonetheless kudos MaxPC for ragging on Windows 8 for months now and then finally deciding to jump on the band wagon like you did with Vista years ago :)

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davelray

The trouble is, you are trying to compare the problems Vista had, which were actual technical issues with the operating system crashing for people usually caused by bad drivers from third parties, as well as hardware requirements that forced people to upgrade their systems or buy new systems to run Vista, and the problems people have with Windows 8. There are no "technical" issues with Windows 8. It works just fine. The problems Windows 8 is facing are much more akin the problems Windows 95 saw, in that Microsoft is changing how the GUI functions. Most every complaint I've seen thus far has had to do with either the Modern UI, or the missing Start button menu. Vista had real issues for a lot of people. As did Windows ME. Blue Screen of Death issues. Hard drive crashed and lost all data issues. I've yet to see the new, supposedly green, crash screen in Windows 8. And I've been running it since it was in beta on multiple systems.

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sojrner

While I'm not sure it's fair to compare vista to ME (the fact that third-party companies built crappy drivers, or simply never updated XP-era drivers is not the same as ME's internal issues) I do agree that the bile thrown at vista (NT 6.0) is largely unfounded. A friend of mine once said "Once you have bad fish, it doesn't matter how good fish is the rest of your life, you remember that one nasty episode forever." I think we still blame "windows" for things that have not been an issue for a long time.

Vista was a drastic foundation move for windows and nobody wanted to change. (do we ever really?) Windows 7 (NT 6.1) was a much smaller change than any other major OS version they'd released to that point, and the love for it was evidence of how solid that base really was. It was vista with small UI tweaks, changes to the security (they listened to feedback, just like now) and a fancy "7" name to distance it from vista in user's minds. Win 8 (NT 6.2) and 8.1 (NT 6.3) are the same small foundation increments, but contain large UI changes. Driver issues and the catastrophic explosions of the early days are gone. Much like Apple's OS, microsoft has done well to build a solid base that all these changes work on now. UI changes are just window dressing (cough) and the fact that everything "just works" is the right direction.

As a developer myself, I use 7 on a laptop and 8 at home. I've yet to hate 8. It is solid. Even a restart in the MIDDLE of the 8.1 upgrade did not kill my system. (gotta love family) It recovered and the install was performed again with no issue. We've never had that level of security on any previous version of windows. Ever. I run dual monitors and rarely use the Modern UI. It works fine as a desktop, I assume 8.1 will continue that trend.

Bottom line? For those that have not used win 8, quit whining over what friends and reviews speak about it and try it. Like my kids with food they've never had before... taste and see.

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PCLinuxguy

Your common sense falls upon deaf ears on this topic unfortunately, dave

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Perplexing Man

I did not compare Vista to Windows 8. I did compare how years ago a similar article was written by MaxPC after months of ragging on Vista.

It seems like a common theme with Windows. They release an OS that has issues be it technical or graphical or what have you. Then soon after they release another that normally makes things better for the time being.

Good thing for Linux OSes we don't ever see an issue like that seeing as how they constantly improve upon what is currently being used.

Windows 8 in my opinion was a mistake in the making. I'm sure many would agree and disagree. As I stated in my prior post I hope that those who dislike Windows 8 for whatever reason are noticed and when Windows 9 comes around I hope things are fixed or made more bearable so that the faithful users of Windows (myself included even though I love Linux as well) are satisfied.

Bottom line for me is I'll keep using my Windows 8 rig (as I did with my Vista rig) but once Windows 9 comes about assuming it is better I'll drop 8 like a bad habit.

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joeyjr

Not a hater. just want to say that, as we all know is it's just an operating system, who can to upgrade their system evey time Microsoft releases a new version of windows. We have to go thrugh another learning curve, go through growing pain cycle, and maybe even new hardware. I built my system four and a half years ago and its still running Vista SP2. Currenty taking an NSA coarse and I can get tons of free software including W8. I have not used the new OS as of yet, but, I have heard more about it than It care to for now. I seems like after vista was released: people complained, it was changed, then something better comes out like windows 7. What is important to me is what I do with my computer that matters to me. Like I said before, I built a Media / Gaming PC a while back and resently added a new 7870 and upgraded my case and its working fine at this time, I can play games, record over the air TV, surf, homework exccedra..., I know it will be time very soon to upgrade and hopefully I will be able to afford it when the time comes. 64 bit os mainstream was what vista brought consumers that opened up the door for better things. Surely their were reasons MS changed things, but honestly, what has W8 brought new to the table that we didn't already have. .

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PCWolf

I Don't Hate windows 8 either, I just don't have a need for a OS that has giant touch tiles in your face most of the time. Just annoyed at the stupidity of Windows 8 users who spew the same old "you must hate change" dribble just because you aren't loving Windows 8 like they do. Windows 8 lovers act like Mac users who could not afford a Mac & got Windows 8 Instead, & now are acting like typical common iSheep.

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HouseFoxx

If you really hate the large tiles, try right clicking on one and hitting the re-size button, they get really tiny really fast.
(that is, after you update to 8.1, assuming you have 8 at all)

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legionera

@ Fox

I wish it was that easy for some peoples' brains. Just right click...

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Morete

My only complaint is that Windows 8 tiles aren't in 3D or holographic. :(

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Where's the disclaimer about this editorial appearing previously in the print magazine?

I've got some toilet paper you guys can recycle while you're at it.

But, seriously, it's great when you guys mock your readership. I get a laugh every time.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

No.

How about YOU stop pimping a phone OS? I don't care how much they pay you guys in advertising, pimping their gimped shit is disgraceful.

A few years from now, you clowns will be telling us to be grateful for our monthly Windows 9 bill, lying through your teeth to convince us how fortunate we are to pay rent to use our own computers, access our own data.

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QUINTIX256

There is a well defined "separation of church and state" when it comes to ads here, hence "Minimum BS"

there was once a full page ad on the back of one issue years back for a power supply that was reviewed in the same said issue as being junk. Someone working the presses actually wrote "No!!!" in big letters with a marker on top of that ad in copy of that issue that arrived in my mail

but that could be part of the conspiracy to create the illusion of MaxPC not being a bunch of self serving sold out shills

or since I have as much hard evidence of that happening (I do not recall what issue it was)" as you do of Mah Ung pimping anything, maybe I am a Microsoft plant and part of the conspiracy

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QUINTIX256

Poe's law?
anyways, since the metro UI seems to work fine with ancient Media Center remotes from 2006, I wonder how well it works with a game pad, especially since navigating with analogue thumb sticks works beautifully on the 360's metro UI.

full disclosure: this post was composed using my Windows Phone

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Oh, please.

Microsoft plans to release Windows 9 as a monthly subscription-based product. But I'm sure you already knew that and think it's a great idea. Finding a way to get paid without delivering a quality product is in the mission statement there at Redmond, right?

We all know you can browse the web and Facefuck with a smart phone; that's not the earth-shattering, flying car event an illiterate code monkey might think it to be.

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PCWolf

If you think Windows 9 will be bad, just wait until Windows 10! It will remove the Desktop once & for all, it will me 100% modern UI & your once powerful PC will become nothing more than a Dumb Terminal that forces you to pay MS $80+ a month for the privilege of accessing Windows. & People like Gordon Mah Ung will spew the "Stop the windows 10 hate" & say that we should all love & embrace the MS cloud world because all our devices will be synced.

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davelray

First off, you are spouting rumors, not fact. And to boot, you aren't even spouting the correct rumors. It's Windows 10 that's rumored to be subscription based, not 9. And even if Microsoft adopts a subscription model, what makes you think they will do what Adobe did and make it sub only? Stop your fearmongering, it's old hat.

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Jademan

I'll buy me a 3,14 rated Win8 copy when possible; no hurry now.

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jesse_n_sf

Windows 8.1 is fine. You guys are spoiled cry babies. Always throwing your negative remarks. Have you guys ever thought that the "so called" metro start menu can improve its appearance over the years. I'll say that you guys sound like children who don't want to eat their vegetables. Stop whining and don't let your negative self control you.

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TheFirstRuleAbo...

See above for definitions of "irony" and "lack of self-recognition".

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MiGreen

Is this logical? When I hit my thumb with a hammer, I hate the hammer.

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aarcane

I, long before I bought my new W8-stock Ultrabook, decided that W8 was a serviceable solution. That said, the reason I put in significant effort to downgrade my Ultrabook to W7 (Which included foregoing UEFI boot and complicating dual boot with UEFI linux) is because I, as a student and sole tech support for a fairly large family, don't have time to support a non-homogenous environment.

Everything either runs Linux, and I manage that directly, or it runs Windows Server 2008R2, which I also manage directly, or it's used by a family member, in which case it runs Ubuntu 12.04 or Windows 7. In those cases I spend enough time supporting those platforms that it's easy to address any issues which arise. That's by design. I planned it that way. I put in money to upgrade SOME systems to Windows 7, and to downgrade others. When the time comes that I can get rid of the last XP and the last Vista system from my list of supported systems, I'll start moving forward toward Windows 8.x and hopefully by then 9.

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codo

I am truly sorry for your loss my poor little Asian friend, you are a moron for giving into Windows 8.
Thank you for making it easy for me to never read any of your columns ever again.