SteamOS is the First of Valve's Three Big Reveals

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deegee

Gabe is just being a whiney baby over the Microsoft Store which is essentially of no consequence to Steam. Metro (Modern) games are essentially smartphone games which is not Steam's market anyway.

The thorn in my side over this is that Valve is using Steam/Valve profits generated from Windows gamers to pay for the development of a competing consolized hardware and OS.
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
Maybe if he grew up and started supporting the Windows platform more it would help solidify it against the two main consoles -- such as updating their own engine and tools, cheap licensing, providing better support for indie developers, etc.

There is nothing wrong with Windows 8 at all as a desktop OS, it only takes one extra click to get to what you want.
And its pro's definitely outweigh its con's. But most people have focused on the removal of one item instead of all of the positives.
Sure, removing the Start button was stupid, but this isn't the first time Microsoft did something stupid. People also complained when the Start menu was originally introduced because it was a change back then.

I work in the video game industry (yes, I actually do). Windows is the main platform where the games are developed. Windows will not become some closed smartphone OS or there would be no game industry.
SteamBox and SteamOS have too steep a hill to climb to compete with the XBox/PlayStation and Windows OS. It will be little more than a curiosity by most people as it is just another new and mostly unsupported console and another Linux derivative.

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misterz100

Are you Saying it's bad for a company to use profits to open itself up to a larger range of people? Steam OS isint even suppose to compete with a good gaming rig it's to make PC gamming more affordable so more will switch over from consoles.
Also they already give great support for allot of indi developpers and Steam Greenlight is the only of it's kind. No other company gives any kind of support and has so much support for community made content. In the end you just sound like you work for EA.

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DR_JDUBZ

It however has been rumored that windows 9 or 10 will be closed sourced. As a pc gamer I am looking forward to the option to use linux (once Windows 7 reaches the end of its useful life for me) instead of windows 8 or higher as that is an extra 100$ to fork over in a pc build.

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AFDozerman

It already IS closed source. I can only imagine the shitstorm that would ensue if the source code of Windows8 were leaked to the public. Wine would shure as hell improve pretty quickly...

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Renegade Knight

By closed source he's meaning the only way to install programs/apps is via the Windows Store.

8.1 allows desktop apps to be installed directly. Consumers don't have access to install Metro apps by any method except the windows store.

That's likely the vision for 9/10 but we shall see.

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deegee

Windows is already "closed source" and has always been so.
"Open source" means that the source code is available publicly.
Microsoft does not make the source code for their operating system public, hence it is closed source.

Microsoft is not going to lock their desktop OS so that people can only run Microsoft software on it, that would be suicide and would kill their own OS overnight (not to mention killing the rest of the computing industry).
This is just bunk that is started by Linux and Mac users to try to scare Windows users over to their OS.
They may limit their smartphone OS perhaps, but not the desktop OS.

Linux will never be any competition with Windows in the desktop market. They have had decades and the "Year of Linux" has never happened. Even Apple's desktop marketshare has increased in recent years. Linux, nope, still around 1%. Linux is a mess because there are too many idiots involved in the development.

Good luck with moving over to Linux.
I used to do Linux software development years ago. I left the platform because their marketshare is so small that any software developer will starve.
And just look at how badly Ubuntu and the other distros screw up their desktop OS as well, it isn't just Microsoft who does that.

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Carlidan

It's perception. One's free so you don't expect much. One you pay for, so you expect everything to work right out of the box. It's like a person thinks Mircosoft's new OS is plague with spyware, yet no evidence to support that claim. Or other BS that's been rumors that have no supportive evidence to back it up.

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Cregan89

I'm all for competition and choice, but I fail to see how Steam's walled garden is any different than Windows 8's walled garden.

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PCLinuxguy

I fail to see how Steam is making a walled garden since so far everything they are doing for this 'project' is being very open, from the OS and source code and possibly even the hardware. There's nothing stopping the end user from doing whatever they want with it really.

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Renegade Knight

True. If windows 9 makes it so the only way you can install programs is via the Windows store and Steam OS allows other programs to be installed as well as being a handy STeam outlet. Steam OS wins for open. Today Windows at least does allow desktop apps.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

If Gabe Newell can turn Windows into a gaming platform, he can certainly do it with Linux

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/167253-gabe-newell-made-windows-a-viable-gaming-platform-and-linux-is-next

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Arthur Dent

3 big announcements. 3. Half Life 3 confirmed!

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Carlidan

Meh. I just want to know when family share comes out.

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froggz

I hope this OS catches on and replaces Microsoft dominance on PC gaming. It would be so awesome if valves steals their OS dominance while Microsoft is too busy pandering at the most fickle of customers, the console/smartphone crowd.

PC gamers have been ignore for far too long by Microsoft and it's time for them to pay the price.

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Belboz99

Great news for gaming and Linux...

If you have any doubts that this is good news for gaming, just ask yourself "Is Microsoft doing what's in the best interest of PC gaming? Or are they doing what's best for Xbox?"

Regarding Linux, my two biggest hopes as to what can come out of this besides the obvious gaming possibilities, are increased hardware driver capabilities / compatibilities, and giving Neftlix and others the boot to the head they need to provide a Linux option.

Right now I use Ubuntu with MythTV for recording HDTV live, over-the-air with a Hauppage capture card, and XBMC for numerous sources of online music, TV, movies, podcasts, etc.

However, due to obvious profit and copyright reasons, numerous shows and movies are only available via subscription, IE Netflix, which is incompatible with Linux by design.

Because of this, every time we want to watch Fringe or such we have have to unhook HDMI, audio, and Ethernet out of our HTPC and swap it with a Roku device. Which is just plain stupid. Roku is running on Linux itself!

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DR_JDUBZ

Torrent fringe for linux, copyright laws dont apply to the real world :P

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Shalbatana

Great News for Linux. Could be a catalyst for a big push for justifying more linux gfx card drivers.

I like the idea, especially of building a living rm pc around it. However, if I have to deal with compiling packages I'll avoid it like the plague. At the very least it needs something akin to Ubuntu's package manager on steroids. this thing needs to be a click to install like steam in general. If people have to dig into linux to customize and control it, it won't fly.

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Belboz99

Regarding having to dig into Linux to customize and control it, I think it will be much more akin to Android and Roku both running on Linux.

Linux is just a kernel, Ubuntu, Redhat, Gentoo, these are all OS'es built ontop with a large and complex Desktop environment added on.

Android, Roku, TiVo, Amazon Kindle, these are not full desktop environments, they are slimmed-down interfaces designed specifically for the tasks they are intended for, and my guess is that the SteamOS will be much the same.

Dan O.

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Shalbatana

A perfectly valid point! THX.

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r3dd4wg

Open-source operating systems, the great equalizer. Allowing companies like Steam to survive when the great oppressor MSFT puts their foot down.

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joeyjr

Blame it all on greed and DRM. LOL

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Slowman

"Thousands of games, millions of users. Everything you love about Steam. Available soon as a free operating system designed for the TV and the living room."

There isn't 1000s of games for Linux. I don't think they're talking about pc streaming either. So what are they talking about? I was also curious about all the hype Nvidia gave to running steam on the Shield during CES. What was up with that?

I'll stick my neck out. The big news this week is that Valve will launch a streaming game service and the Steam box will have a Tegra 4 inside. They will no doubt have a client for Windows and Mac for the service too. Hmmm, maybe even try to slip one in for the PS4 as well. Nope,Sony would axe that right off.

If I'm wrong it won't be the first time. And it won't be the last I'm sure. But if I'm right you heard it here first!

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Renegade Knight

More games will come if the platform is a success.
Steam OS streams games from your PC.

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Belboz99

The statement you quote describes Steam as it is, Thousands of games, millions of users, that's the "everything you love about Steam" which will be "available soon as a free operating system designed for the TV..."

In other words, they're going to be taking that large collection of games currently on Steam and bring it to the Living-room via a Linux-based OS.

FWIW though, there are 100's of games currently available for Linux on Steam, I believe 100 were added just the past few months.

http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/

Dan O.

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Slowman

Well there are a couple 100 games in the Linux library. It took almost a year to get that many and there are some good ones but none are recent triple A titles. ok nonvalve triple A titles. But how long will it take to port over the rest of the library to Linux? How much will it cost? Can even Valve convince a developer that spent over $100 million on a game to port it over to their steamOS when just about all of the people who would buy a steam box already have a computer with windows? Linux is only 1% of the market and I don't see the console crowd coming over to the steam box. And the steam box is basically a console. It has to be small, quiet and above all affordable. With mass purchasing and manufacturing you can get alot for $500 retail. But I think it needs to be below that to stand a chance with the mainstream. A $800 Brix may sounds like a bargain to us but it's not to most of the gamers, even the ones on steam.

Like I said I can be way out in right field. They may port eveything they can over and make the steam box a $1,000 mini-itx gaming rig. but I still think that it will be only for the short term. Down the road Valve will launch a full blown streaming service. Sony is doing the same thing next year with Giko, offering the complete PS3 library not just to the PS4 but to computers as well. Which is the beauty of of it. Around this time next year you could be playing GTAV on a chrome book or a Macbook or your desktop. I'd laugh my ass off if they found a way to sneak it onto the Xbox. A streaming service is something that developers and publisher can get behind and it just makes more sense.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Yeah, well you're probably not old enough to remember it, but once upon a time, there' weren't thousands of games for the PC, either. Everything was on the Apple. And over the course of a couple years, it all changed. Stores once full of Apple software were eventually full of PC software. The Apple stuff got a small shelf in the back.

Consumers, developers, and publishers prefer open systems to walled gardens. By charging a toll to put software on Windows 9 and beyond, Microsoft is cutting their own throat. They won't be able to sell enough cheap tablets, camera phones, or break dancing hipsters to make up for the lost Windows revenue.

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Slowman

Well I am old enough to remember back then and my first wintel system was a 486, my first DIY was a 200mhz. and my computer before switching was an Amiga.

And that was the big difference. Computers weren't mainstream and there were several platforms to pick from. No one was in a truly dominate position. Microsoft won since it let the hardware guys fight it out in the clone market and just sold software. Everyone else like Commodore, Atari and even the Apple line failed because they limited the hardware to themselves and their prices stayed to high. Hell everything electronic was to high then. The Mac line obviously survived mostly in the desktop publishing market. The wintels owned everything else.

Now the electronics are cheap, people with computers and gadgets are cool and not social retards, and Microsoft owns 90% of the desktop market that is far bigger than it was back then. Like I said I could be wrong and Valve could port everything over and sell 5 million steam boxes that are itx gaming rigs and they would still be a point something on a pie chart. They could have a nice little business going but they would still would have to depend on Microsoft sales to really not just survive but thrive. Streaming gives them the platform independence they are looking for and is a far smaller gamble then trying launch a new platform and to compete head on with Microsoft. Microsoft has been the bumbling giant lately but they are still a giant.

Sony is launching a streaming service around this time next year. It will work not only on the PS3 and 4 but on computers as well. This trend is probably a bigger threat to Valve then Microsoft is. They will head in this direction too.

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wumpus

nitpick:
There was never a time when "everything was on [mac]." There was a time when "'everything' was on Apple[II]". That was sometime before 1982 when the Commodore 64 was released (and subsequently became the leading computer gaming platform). Apple II users might even be surprised that by that time there were likely as many games for the Atari 400/800 as Apple (one only needs to look at ports like Frogger on each platform to know why).

By 1984 IBM released the PC/AT which was one of the single highest computer models in existance (I suspect the commodore 64 is highest, assuming we ignore embedded computing), and PC dominance became obvious.

Note that the claim is extremely accurate if you understand that most things were ported to Apple (things that needed heavy scrolling hardware or music libraries wouldn't work. Then there were things like frogger that were ported but shouldn't have been.) Once PCs took off, there was little reason to do the porting (and the much larger memories of PCs made it unlikely to be worth the bother).
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Yes, also windows gaming didn't really exist before directX (which was well after windows 95) got reasonably good (I'm guessing MS was still getting things right by the third iteration then). The windows platform has been pretty stagnant since 2000 (there really isn't anything obviously missing to add), so eventually I suspect that something will replace it (and I don't look to Microsoft the way people expected them to replace DOS with *something*, preferably windows).

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Slowman

Damn, a wonderful walk down memory lane. Well done Wumpus.

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froggz

SteamOS? Gabe just fucked up with that name. Left himself wide open to the inevitable play on words that will be coming. SteamPOS.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Did you think that up all on your own?

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froggz

Not to be rude, but are you always such a condencending a-hole?

The reason I even mentioned this is because of MS.

Microsoft had to buy the xbone website because they left themselves wide open to the internet by naming their new xbox, xbox one.

Valve just repeated the same error Microsoft just did by leaving themselves open to the same situation. I would think marketing departments will figure that stuff out before coming up with a name for their company's products.

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PCLinuxguy

it took him all day too

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Shalbatana

Are people who use it going to be Steam-os?!

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kiaghi7

When it doesn't do what they want it to do, I'm confident they will be quite Steam-ed :D

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legionera

Let me guess... HL3 SteamOS exclusive! That's how money is made children!

I bet that SteamBox will fall on its face harder than Onlive.

This is open betting without prizes. Just reply to my comment and we will come back to this article after several months and laugh our asses.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

What SteamBox?

Did somebody post a SteamBox article?

This OS might be good enough for the Billions of PC's that nobody wants anymore because they can't get a free O.S. for gaming

That's your next project Max PC

Find the minimum hardware specs for this O.S. for a reasonable gaming experience on old hardware that was about to be recycled

They would make wonderful Christmas presents for kids without spending a dime
(except for the game activation of course)

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legionera

You are dreaming.

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PCLinuxguy

and you are hating. so what? :)
Right now it's all vaporware and not worth getting irked about until it's real .

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legionera

Thank you cpt obvious. That's what the betting is about dummy! Sheesh! WTF is going on here? Did you form a "haters group against legionera"? So much hate... why????

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PCLinuxguy

Yes, and we're getting t-shirts made and there's a meeting every Thursday at Buffalo Wild Wings :-)

TBH I was having a bad day, and i apologize for letting it get onto the net on you.

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Carlidan

I'll try it.. I'll try anything. :)

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bjoswald

As a Linux enthusiast, I am excited. I don't play many games anymore so that doesn't affect me. However, the innovation Valve would bring to Linux could be huge. Despite all of Canonical's efforts, Linux needs a booster shot and I think Valve is just the company to do it.

Like I said before: exciting times ahead.

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LatiosXT

If Valve slowly cuts off Steam for Windows, then I'm just going to give up on Steam. I'm not going to run another (stripped down) OS just so I can play some games.

SteamOS will have to have to either offer nice features to differentiate it from next gen consoles or they will have to do it better.

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PCLinuxguy

They never said that they were going to drop Windows support. Valve is just branching out into a market that no one else is. It's called Running A Business.

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wumpus

The goal is to cut off the Windows Store. Cutting off steam for windows is financial suicide (unless it actually gets smaller on its own).

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Nixon

I doubt they are going to cut off support for Windows. If anyone is, it would be the 3rd party developer publishing their game only on the Steam OS.

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kiaghi7

"in particular because he feared Microsoft's walled garden approach could eventually be used to shut out the competition"

Alrighty... But isn't that precisely what making their own OS is going to do?

Don't misunderstand me, I wholeheartedly support them making their own OS, just like I support Google and Mozilla/Firefox making their own OS. Competition breeds innovation, monopoly is synonymous with stagnation and eventual degradation (see also: Win8).

Now that being said, Steam setting out with the intention of making their own sandbox to play in is in effect walling-off their garden... Granted its with the intention of making it do exactly what they want... but that too is a double edged sword in the long run, you're still at the whims and mercies of what THEY want it to be and do...

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

He doesn't quite understand what a walled garden is. Poor kid.

When Microsoft CHARGES fees and a percentage of profits for ALLOWING developers and publishers to release software on the Windows platform, we call that a WALLED GARDEN.

Don't worry. The emotions level out once you get past puberty.

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kiaghi7

What is so amusing about your post is that you don't even realise how ignorant your own claims are, and yet you suggest that I am the one that does not understand.

Do not worry, I will teach you the subject as you pretend to profess it. Clearly you missed the entire metaphor, a walled garden, or a place to dwell entirely surrounded by walls within which the owner entirely controls all activity within... But I guess that was too obvious a reference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_platform

"A closed platform, walled garden or closed ecosystem[1][2] is a software system where the carrier or service provider has control over applications, content, and media and restricts convenient access to non-approved applications or content. This is in contrast to an open platform, where consumers have unrestricted access to applications and content."

Despite what you claim, "we" do not call it a walled garden based upon fees, that is not what makes it a closed platform.

The real "we" call it a "walled garden" precisely as I have described it, a closed platform readily within the controls of the creator's designs and whims for it, for good or ill intent.

Regardless of whether or not fees are charged for it, a closed platform is the antithesis of user freedom and carries the tremendous potential of abusive actions by the controlling entity, regardless of whomever produces it.

An ideal example of the walled garden is gaming platforms, which is what SteamOS is clearly oriented towards being. While not a negative in and of itself to be a gaming platform, if it's not authorized by "the powers that be" regarding that platform, it's extremely likely that it won't be allowed to exist or will at least be fought against by the developer(s) of the platform.

I know you want to pretend like you know what you're talking about, and that's really quite adorable of you to try and discuss big-boy things with the rest of us, but first you have to know what you're talking about, rather than having to be educated by the very people you want to suggest are wrong.

The hilarious suggestion that emotion is involved merely demonstrates your own failing, not my own. I'm merely discussing the matter on the facts, you however seem to be overly prone to emphasising words that do not require it for the thought, no matter how incorrect, to be conveyed.

As to the assertions of age, as juvenile as they are to suggest any quantitative meaning or bearing on your uninformed words, for you to feel the need to assert your age I can readily glean that you are almost certainly lacking in that category. Those who have it, don't need to attempt to use it as some sort of crutch or leverage to ensure the viability of their words. Those who are right, can demonstrate it, age does not automatically impart wisdom and youth does not inherently invalidate the truth.

Perhaps you've just gotten into college (online), taken CPT102, and now bolstered with your profound knowledge of MS Office suite you clearly know all that is to be known about computer technology!

Thank goodness you're here though, you already know everything, or at least you want to tell people you do even when you clearly don't.