Start Menu to Make a Glorious Return in Upcoming Windows "Threshold" Update

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esswasim

Why not listen to your users and get rid of metro forever and let us have a simple and plain OS that lets us take advantage of the applications that we need in our personal and professional life.

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goku_dsv

Really 2015? Only reason I have a win 8 laptop is cuz my win 7 one's mobo fried and they only had win 8 rigs for sale (big shocker there) and l'm sure like when MS dropped support for Win 7 phone when win 8 came around, they will drop support for the start menu too. 2015...yeah we're no longer going to support windows 8 so here's another useless OS rehash for you. I can just imagine miccrosoft pulling a Bill Lumberg on us "For those of you who thought that having the start menu was a good feature, I'm gonna go ahead uhh disagree with you there...and ummm yeah I'm gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Saturday ...yeah that would be great... Mmkay?" (Lol Office Space for those of you who didn't get the reference)

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JimmyD1964

I think you have already said it all. (Thanks for the half-assed concession, Microsoft)
That gave me a giggle. Well spoken.

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RICHARD RIDDICK

I have played with 7 and it works well, but i still use Xp for everything, as long as it plays games and movies, i am fine with it. i have no plans to buy a touch screen and i tried 8 in the store and i dont like it and wont buy it ever.

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Fray

8.1 is better than 8.0. I have set it to log in to the desktop and it mostly does this, except that it randomly logs in to the Metro store instead.

I can deal with 8.1, but the whole thing is still a mess. For example, most settings are still in control panel but some, such as changing the password, have been moved elsewhere such as to the bottom of an obscure drop-down left side of the screen Metro menu.

Godawful design.

And now they are crowing that we will one day be able to run Metro apps on the desktop? That's great Microsoft, that's great.

Just make sure that they can be run exactly like normal Windows programs - not retarded full screen abominations with no sizing controls.

Or don't bother and just make Windows 9 like a better Windows 7.

Thanks.

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maxeeemum

Adding a start menu doesn't fix all the other problems in Win8. And I'm sure it will not be what the majority wants!

"Threshold is supposed to bring these OSes even closer together."

One Microsoft is the real problem! Trying to get one OS to work on a Phone and a Desktop PC is just crazy.

Windows 8 is just an advertising campaign to sell this foolish idea to the public. But .......... it's not working!

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Granite

It must be quite an experience when you...a single person...knows what the majority wants or doesn't want or what is working and not working.

In any event, the idea of a unified OS across multiple platforms isn't really a crazy idea...heck, even Linux is doing it.

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maxeeemum

Ehh! The majority in Windows is 7 & XP! Both with start menus! W8 is estimated to be at about 9% usage but I doubt it. Even with that most are using something like Start8 or the other start menu replacement programs. And Ubuntu has lost many users because of there move to Unity.

So you were saying ........ Oh that's right your M$ sheep. Can you give me a BBBBAAAAAAAAAAA!

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Granite

Most people stay with Win7/XP because:

1. They don't want to spend the money for a new OS.

2. They don't really know all that much about Win8, Win7 or XP...or the inner workings of computers in general.

You'll notice that hatred of Win8 isn't mentioned. That's because those haters are nothing more than an extremely loud vocal minority.

(Did you see what I did there? I spoke for the majority of Windows users because I...just like you...am highly qualified to speak for all of them.)

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maxeeemum

I keep seeing the 8Lovers saying people who don't like Win8 are the "extremely loud vocal minority". So why is M$ backtracking (slowly).

Face it 8Lovers are the minority!

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maxeeemum

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davelray

Maybe in your fantasy world. In reality, the majority just don't care as long as it works. And it works. Strange though that the only place I find people trashing Windows 8 are on forums like these. Out in the real world I've yet to meet a person that "hates" Windows 8. And seeing as how I work with a lot of different people from day to day, I imagine the pool of people I know is much larger than yours maxeeemum. You and your cronies are indeed the vocal minority and only on the internet do we hear from people like you.

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esswasim

I dont understand what you are talking about as there are millions of critic based articles as to how much pain in the behind windows 8 is for mainly power users and enthusiasts ofcourse, so much so that some hardware companies are going back to windows 7 as a marketing strategy to get more sales viz HP, I dont know where you coming from claiming in real world no one hates windows 8, dude I am in real world and I hate the metro UI and it is very useless to me, I never need the metro UI so do anyone in my office, Does a gamer need metro UI? consuming the hardware resources for something working in the background which I don't even need, what is the point, I generally us applications such as Photoshop, Maya 3D etc and all metro manages to do is mess up my work and that is a serious problem for me, I need no distractions during my work, I want an OS to be a platform which is not distracting and lets apps take control of the rest, we don't use OS we use the applications, OS is just a platform, an environment for apps to run, so let it do that rather than trying to paint it like a bride and get on the nerves of people. As you for, I need you to go out little more into the professional world of different sectors, I am sure you will find millions of frustrated windows users, and Microsoft is actually trying to undo somethings but they are right now confused about the next step, I am sure removing metro is the step in right direction if microsoft wants to see windows 8 in the offices and in world of power users, those who use PC's for listening to music and just their collections, Windows is is for them, those who work on PC's windows 7 is way better.

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maxeeemum

OK! Then why is M$ backtracking? Why are there start menu replacements? People like you said the same thing about Xbox One always on internet policy. But the so called minority won very quickly though. And why is ...... never mind you're always right!

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davelray

As for the Xbox One, I was one of those that simply didn't care one way or the other. In fact, I think you will find that the MAJORITY was against always on internet connection, hence why Microsoft changed their minds. Because if only ten people didn't like that option, they would not have bothered and would have continued with their original policy.

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LatiosXT

Just because people have downloaded Start Menu programs doesn't mean they actually use it as it was originally designed. I'm willing to bet most of them either pin apps to it, need it to find some things that were made a little more annoying to find (e.g., Control Panel and shutdown options), or the search bar.

Also a lot of people don't like Ubuntu anymore because it's now data mining for Amazon and it's gotten bloaty.

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Mikey109105

2015? And they're on what planet now? This is just MS saying "Here's your stupid start menu, you can have it back. Only you have to wait two years to get it because we couldn't give a crap less about what you want." Yet another reason to tell MS's Windows 8 team to **** off and stick to Windows 7.

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Bahumbug

What is up with this fascination with that useless menu. Most people stopped using the menu with Windows 7. Microsoft fucked up the windows 8 search but fixed it in 8.1 to allow global search. Some people are stuck in the 20th century or something. So much easier to just type out the program or settings you need.

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LesserAnimal

srsly. The search bar in windows 7 made the menu useless.

Why this happened is clear as day. Their end goal was familiarity with one device means familiarity to all platforms. Desktop users would feel instantly comfortable on a windows tablet or phone, an area they were behind in. They over compromised in their attempt and lost the very familiarity on the desktop front they were trying to leverage. Windows 8.1 works flawlessly for me and hasn't given me any trouble and have trouble grasping this "old man getting angry with his vcr" mentality people have with windows 8. In the end it was the wrong move though because it alienated their customer base and to ignore that would be suicide. So now they are saying we need to bring a bunch of stuff back and find a new way to integrate metro. Something they NEED. Regardless how much you hate it if they want to stay at the top they need to enter this touchscreen age and from their behind position leveraging Windows familiarity is their only chance. TLDR Windows 8/8.1 is better than windows 7 but it failed ultimately at what they wanted it to do and they need to do something big to make up for that. 2 years isn't a long time in that respect.

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Aggie1295

Most people still use Windows 7 or Windows XP for that matter. The only reason I have Windows 8 on anything is that it was pre-loaded on the laptop I recently purchased, and so far Windows 8 is the biggest downside of the laptop. Basically Windows 8 is a piece of trash. It has nothing to do with being modern, new or different, it just doesn't work. I don't need an operating system that is constantly inadvertently switching from one program to another.

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legionera

If you can't comprehend it, maybe 8.1 is not for you.

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Mikey109105

Unless you can name "most" of the population (and by that I mean the millions of people who use Windows 7), by name, who don't use the start menu, then your statement is without truth.

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LatiosXT

It's a question of how you launch your applications. In my use case, I rarely touch the Start Menu because all of my commonly used applications are pinned to the Task Bar if they're not launched automatically via file association. And even if it's not there, I don't even go into "All Programs" because I just search for it. Which in a post I made down there Windows 8 barely touched so...

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Bahumbug

Windows 7 start menu is just a search bar. What is your point? No one uses the "menu" part of the start menu.

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Mikey109105

Congratulations, you just met one person out of probably millions who don't read the articles on this site who DOES use the menu p[art of the start menu, so your assertion that "no one" uses the menu part of it is invalid.

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macmooda

I highly disagree. I have all my special programs pinned right there where I want them. Not all across the task bar. I can't stand having programs pinned to my task bar. I also can't stand having bunch of stuff on my desktop. So I love being able to pinn items to my start menu. Personal oppinion of course

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dbqfan

I could care less as I will never use Win8 even if I wanted to wait until 2015 to get something that should have been there in the first place. I do not want a tablet/phone interface on my desktop. I am trying to rid myself of all Microsoft products. Office 2013 is a total disaster.

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PCLinuxguy

Or just switch to Apple or use Linux and ditch MS completely

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legionera

What kind of expert are you to recommend Linux to a plain user?

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PCLinuxguy

plain user? I didn't realize people had flavors unless you marinated them before putting them on the grill or in a smoker. XD Soylent Green!! (which oddly enough, is part of the weekly potluck for the 'Hate On Legionera' club. admission is free but you have to pay for your drinks at the bar.

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jnite

If you are looking for an alternative to Office, I would suggest giving LibreOffice a try. It's free and I've been using it for a long time as an alternative to Office.

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Scatter

So basically when they're ready to release Windows 9 they'll return the Start Menu to windows 8.

How about I continue using StartIsBack and MS can go #$^@ themselves?

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LatiosXT

"MS can go #$^@ themselves"

Why are you using Windows then?

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jnite

2015? That's quite a long time. Guess I'll be using Classic Shell for another year or so.

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John Pombrio

2015. Be still me breathless heart. Do you know how long that is in internet years? Damn near forever.

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Granite

I'll laugh my ass off when the new start menu looks like the one in the picture. LOL!!

(dos prompt, anyone?)

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Random

I'd choose the old start menu shown here over the new Metro interface any day of the week. LOL!

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Granite

To each his own. Enjoy your dos prompt.

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Random

Enjoy your Metro and cute MS jingles. Every MS fanboy's dream.

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LatiosXT

If there's one thing I think people didn't like about the Start Screen is that they were used to using the Start Menu in its original form back in Windows 95, even after Microsoft added improvements that could make you go into "All Programs" less. And the catch is, the Start Menu originally was purely mouse driven and the improvements Microsoft added (sans pinning apps to it) were keyboard driven.

For instance, launching a program from Start can literally be done in seconds by pressing the Windows key, typing in the first few letters of the program, and pressing enter. If you went through it by mouse, it would take much longer because not only do you have to navigate the pointer to the item, you first have to find the item in question. And muscle memory doesn't really work well in NT6's start menu because you are "estimating" the entire time where to go until the final branch where the app should be. Essentially the problem is every step in your action requires you to think/analyze (where is that folder? where is that app?). The keyboard driven approach is basically "what's the name of that app?"

I never had much of a problem with Windows 8 simply because Microsoft barely touched the keyboard driven approach to Start.

A mouse driven Start needs improvement, badly. The Start Menu uses outdated GUI principals (targets are small which is a problem with higher DPI screens and it gets cluttered really fast) and the Start Screen generates the wrong context for many users.

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LesserAnimal

Bingo. I feel like tearing my hair out when I see people fumbling around with their mouse trying to find a program. After the second second I feel like pushing them out of the chair and doing it for them.

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praetor_alpha

What's NT6? Windows 2000, XP, Vista, or 7?

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LatiosXT

NT6 is Vista, 7, and 8.

Before then, since everything was still accordion style in fixed positions, muscle memory could sort of work. But missing the target meant starting over.

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bikerbub

The ability to run metro apps in resizable windows will be a very welcome feature through, as that is windows 8's main flaw. That's not the reason I'm commenting though.

I haven't logged in to comment in over a year, but this anti-8 shit gets on my nerves. Is it really that hard to understand? Metro is the fucking start menu. It does exactly the same thing, but with a vastly improved search function. I'll admit, the omission of a button seems like a poor idea on the surface, but with a 20 minute tutorial, everyone who is capable of normal computing would be able to remember to just inch the mouse over that much farther into the corner.

Windows 8/8.1 are both fully functional operating systems, and are, in both objective and subjective senses, better than both 7 and XP.

Done. Cut and dry.

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fung0

Tell me again why I want to run Metro apps? Is there something they can do that my dozens of Windows applications can't do already? (I mean, other than funneling 30% off the top to Microsoft, when I pay for them...)

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macmooda

You would be amazed how few people are capable of "normal computing". I work with way too many people that I know for a fact are clueless with computers.

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macmooda

You would be amazed how few people are capable of "normal computing". I work with way too many people that I know for a fact are clueless with computers.

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PCLinuxguy

Agreed 100%. Some people just like to be tools and hate on everything.

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John Pombrio

For the people that know what the hell they are doing. Skipping over the start screen tiles is NOT AN OPTION for a vast majority of users as they simply do not know how to. Then there are the glaring jumps from the Start screen to the desktop or from the desktop to the start screen depending on what the default program is for that particular extension. For most people that experience is jarring.

Yes, Win8 desktop is terrific and I complete skip the Start screen as I have better search tools in Directory Opus than are available by MS and no app is that good (yet). But you and I are NOT normal users!

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bikerbub

I understand what you're getting at, really, but a quick tutorial would take care of that jarring experience. I'm not trying to say it's not frustrating at first, because it is, but that only lasts for, what, an hour? That's pretty much worst case. Windows 8 comes with a quick start guide to help with that. It's been a while since I looked at it, so I can't testify to its effectiveness, but I'm sure it's not garbage.