PSA: Crysis 2 PC Leaks to the Web – For the Sake of PC Gaming, Please don’t Download

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Keith E. Whisman

The first Crisis game was not a POS game. If you didn't love it, it's because you are a freaking retard. Pirating a game just to try it out doesn't make it okay, it's still stealing. That's like going to the liquer store and drinking down half a bottle of Jack and saying I'm not paying for it because it tastes like crap. You just shoplifted. How would you like me to steal your car and drive it around for a week and then park it back in your driveway? I was only barrowing it. 

Not having enough money is no justification for stealing. Admit it to yourself that you are a thief, if you can live with that then go ahead and download it with everyone else, just don't try to justify it. Know that you are stealing everything that you download that you would otherwise have to pay for.

So if you get caught pirating don't try to paint a picture of your innocense like everyone tries. Just admit your a thief to yourself and state that you are not guilty to the cops. Never ever tell the cops that your guilty and don't every say your sorry. 

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damicatz

Copyright infringement is not stealing.

If I go to Gamestop, and remove a boxed game from the store without paying for it, then I have stolen something because I have deprived Gamestop of the lawful use of their chattel.

If I download an unauthorized version of Crysis, it doesn't mean that someone else will no longer be able to use their own copy of it. A boxed copy doesn't just magically disappear.

This is a view that was upheld by the US Supreme Court in Dowling v. United States.

To wit :
"Since the statutorily defined property rights of a copyright holder have a character distinct from the possessory interest of the owner of simple "goods, wares, [or] merchandise," interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud. The infringer of a copyright does not assume physical control over the copyright nor wholly deprive its owner of its use. Infringement implicates a more complex set of property interests than does run-of-the-mill theft, conversion, or fraud."

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Marsel

I see your point: however, all your examples include physically taking something, like physically stealing a disk from a store. Downloading it is simply copying a ton of numbers (1s and 0s for the binary code). Its not physically taking it. Its like copying someones essay to keep in your house. Yeah, somenes essay is copywrited by them, but if you would not have bought it anyway. You do not plagerize it, and simply look at it, read it, and delete it. Thats pretty much what piracy is, since you make a nonexistant copy of it for your own use. However, downloading this now would be a bad idea, because not only is it probobly being tracked by EA, but it is glitchy and way more unethical then downloading a finished game, because since its still in production they can just stop producing the game and ruin it for the people who would have paid for it. All in all, I more or less agree with you, but your examples don't really apply here.

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stradric

"Downloading it is simply copying a ton of numbers (1s and 0s for the binary code)."

That's some foolish nonsense right there.  It's not just a ton of numbers.  Is a car just a bunch of metal?  Is a house just a bunch of wood?  Is a computer just a bunch of circuits?  Calling a video game a bunch of numbers is a massive insult to anyone who has ever created anything.  Much time and effort goes into organizing those numbers into something.  For you to sit there and justify piracy because all you are doing is copying someone else's work is pretty ignorant and despicable.

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Athlonite

ah yes but simply making a copy of anything is not theft its a breach of Interlectual property and copy right yes but not theft, Theft would mean you took the whole thing lock stock and barrel and the owner can no longer  see, touch or use said anything as for using the word Piracy to describe Ilegal copying people need to look up the meaning of Pirate...... eg Somalians with guns taking over a ship by force is Piracy but copying something without force or threat albeit ilegaly is NOT Piracy!!!

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mesiah

Thats the problem. Everyone sees pirating as some gray area. A victimless crime that they don't have to look anyone in the face to purpotrate, therefore it isn't stealing its just "borrowing indefinately." The truth is, whether or not you want to admit it, Kieth is right, when you pirate something it is no different than shoplifting. If that analogy doesn't suit you, you can liken it to Sneaking into a movie or theme park without a ticket. Technically you aren't physically taking anything, but you are still using goods and or services without payment, and that still falls under stealing. I'm with Kieth on this one, pirate if you want to, we probably all have atleast once in our lives. But please don't try to justify it with some bullshit like "if it wasn't so expensive I would have paid for it." or "I'm poor but I still wanted to play it." I'm sorry, but like everything else in the world, if you are too poor to buy it, thats too bad, you can live without it. And if you don't like it enough to pay for it, what is the point of stealing it anyway?

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Ghok

We're just arguing semantics here. Some people think "stealing" is more about taking something AWAY from someone. If I steal a car, the owner no longer has a car. That's different than if I were to copy a game. Copy "infringement" is different than "stealing". This doesn't make it any less wrong. Well, some people think it does, and I'm sure some people think it's worse. But it IS defined as something different. The argument doesn't change.

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lindethier

I support Crytek on this. People that pirate games are just hurting the industry (surprise surprise). 

Also, I don't completely buy the whole pirating games just to try it out. While I'm sure there are some people that pirate the game to try it, and then buy it legitimately; there are far more that just pirate the game, play it and move on.

This is the reason that developers are moving away from the PC platform. The console market is far more profitable compared to the PC market, so it makes sense that crap like this makes companies think twice about bothering to spend any time optimizing a game for the PC. 

Come on guys, buy games legally so developers can keep making more games for us! 

 

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Athlonite

Yes but you don't see Crytek pissing and moaning about console games being ilegaly copied oh no heaven forbid it's all PC users fault blah blah blah there's just as many ilegal copies of console game online as torrents as there are PC games ya don't see crytek saying well console vesion of Crysis 2 has been copied and diseminated on P2P we're not going to release the final crapsole version now.... pfft they're just reaching for exuses

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Ghok

Stop the presses everyone. A game is being PIRATED AS WE SPEAK.

Piracy has been around as long for uhh, a long time... Publishers over emphasis the threat, because it's not good for their business. Fair enough. Don't blame you guys. I don't like pirated games either, but when you try to tell me that every time a game is downloaded, you're losing a sale? Then you're treating me like I'm an idiot, because that isn't even close to the truth. It's kind of like how you say that DRM is to stop piracy, when DRM has never impacted piracy. It does a great job at killing the used game market though. Not good for business either.

Plenty of games make plenty of money. How much money did Valve make last year? Yeah. They had a little problem with a leaked game once too. The vast majority of people don't mind paying for a good game. Pirates are cheapskates. Yes it's wrong, I don't feel morally justified to do so. To me, there's no justification when Steam is so convenient and affordable. But I also know that it's not that big a deal.

Now tell me more about the leak, that's the interesting part of this story.

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damicatz

Jim Sterling is an f'ing moron. This is not the first time that he's pulled crap like this.  He's a mysogynistic pig and crude. If he didn't have the keyboard and an anonymous internet identity to hide behind, he would not be so bold.

Sorry but there is no nicer way to put it.

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ScytheNoire

Crytek leaks their own Beta online, and now people want to act like it's PC gamers fault? This is the fault of the company who leaked their own game, Crytek. It will simply be used as an excuse by them to take away PC support, or even release PC games. They wanted an excuse a while ago to do so. So go join Epic and the others that have turned from PC gaming to consoles. Don't need ya, don't want ya. And stop leaking your own stuff and blaming others.

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stradric

This is the best comment yet.  My favorite part is when you classified Crytek's beta test as a leak.  Wait no, my favorite part was when you said that the leak of the development version of the game to torrent sites was a conspiracy for EA and other publishers to stop making PC games.  Oh did you have any evidence of that or is it pure crazy-person conjecture?  I thought so.

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Rogue74

I'm just getting tired of everyone treating all PC gamers like we're all guilty. I've never pirated a game ever. Maybe in this case Crytek should look into cleaning their own house before they blame us. I also think governments need to crack down on sites hosting pirated software.

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Keith E. Whisman

" I also think governments need to crack down on sites hosting pirated software."

 

Where have you been? They have been shutting down sites like crazy.

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chuckh89

I'll wait and see if Crysis 2 pushes any limits, and from what I hear...it won't. I'll be boycotting it for that reason! Crytek made a crapload of money on the Original, and much of it was because PCers embrassed it, and made it popular (some of us even purchasing it exclusively for benchmarking). Now that they made the "Big Time", they have forgot about who and what put them in a position to make a second game. "MAXIMUM MISTAKE!"

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stradric

So games that don't "push limits" should be boycotted?  You realize that demand is not based on you, right?  Many people are willing to buy games that don't "push limits" and are just a lot of fun.

Also Crysis didn't really sell that well and make a "crap load of money".  That's why they are releasing cross-platform for Crysis 2.  Get your facts straight or rather get some facts and stop talking out your ass.

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Walnut

The original Crysis demo was so much fun I played it a few times through and then bought the game later that day. The first level was probably the most fun because of how much freedom it gave the player, but I was genuinely entertained the whole way through. I'll buy the next one if it lives up to the hype.

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chiroho

I think it's terrible that the game leaked, but once it did it's to be expected that it was shared so widely and quickly. That's how things happen. But rather than blame gamers for wanting to get their hands on one of the most hotly anticipated titles of the year, and I'm not sure if they are or not, Crytek should be looking into how it is that the game leaked in the first place.

I was planning on buying the game, depending on reviews, and very likely still will as I thoroughly enjoyed the first game. I just hope that this doesn't sour EA's and Crytek's thoughts in general to PC gaming.

As for hard core DRM, I hope not. But given this leak, I'm kind of expecting the worst.

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KevFed

I think this is jacked up and honestly, it will hurt the PC gaming industry in the long run.

With news like these and support from pirates, there is little that big companies will have to think "pc gamers are just as important as console gamers". devs care about us, but publishers? they care about money. why would they pay extra to devs to make the PC games better (i.e. dx11 support, better interface since pc's are more open, more saves slots since we have 9781239 TB hdd's, etc) and not just another port. even if the devs wanted to have a better pc version, the pubs wont support it. instead, they will invest that cashola on DRM of some kind. a fine example is assassin's creed. remember the russian "gold" version that was buggy? the one that was leaked and had an english patch for it? guess what happened? sin creed 2 pc version sucked with the most retarded DRM. i mean the pub wasted money on setting up servers that is needed for security reasons. and for what? to be circumvented by pirates? that money could have went to devs. who would have been happy. and would have been inspired to make a better game in the future. instead, we get spin offs of old games that they keep renewing. i mean, vietnam, world war II, and present day can only be recreated so many times. 

i want NEW games like DAO. something that will set the new standard of pc gaming like how crysis once did. remember how we often asked.."but can it run crysis?" 

i for one will not support the pirates this time around. and honestly, as soon as the game comes out, it will definately be pirated anyway. but with this leak, the pc gaming world will be shook. heads are rolling. and money will go elsewhere instead of the devs. the devs that makes awesome games for pc will move on and make games for consoles only. 

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rawrnomnom

I openly admit that I pirate games, However with steam offering demo's I don't find myself doing it very much anymore. every game that I have pirated I either played for 10 min, then scrapped because it was crap, or I purchased after I pirated it. Steam demo's make pirating the game for a demo less of a hastle than actually torrenting the software. What I would really like is a return policy for games that just plain suck. EG, if i have less than 1 or 2 hours of play time I can return the game for my money back, or for steam credit or something. (MOH for example.)

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Strhopper

There is plenty of piracy on the xbox, why isn't there out crys of killing xbox gaming? Becuase piracy isnt a real problem developers worry about, they are just crying wolf.

 

The PC platform will continue to lose games due to the money to be made on console games.

There are just more console gamers!

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Sediket

The reason consoles sell more is because piracy on console games is SUBSTANTUALY lower.  putting everyone’s bias aside, as a developer would you rather develop a game for a system it will be sold on, or a system it will be distributed for free and only sold to individuals with a conscience.

"Looking at torrent data for the same games on PC vs. XBox 360 vs. PS3, we saw that the number of downloads of the PC version is often five or ten times higher than the console versions." -TweakGuides, PC Game Piracy Examind  http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_6.html also some piracy statistics: http://torrentfreak.com/call-of-duty-black-ops-most-pirated-game-of-2010-101228/ 

Console games sold in 2009: 176.7 million units sold
Computer games sold in 2009: 23 million units sold
-http://www.theesa.com/facts/salesandgenre.asp

Computer games sell 13% of what console games sell and yet those same games are pirated five to ten times more on PC.  Game developers with money in mind and making a successful company are obviously moving to consoles because of piracy: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/epic_president_%E2%80%9C_money%E2%80%99s_console_thanks_piracy_0 

So stop downloading.

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BeVar

I don't buy the SCARE tactic... It pisses me off; as well as Maximum PC. Hard core gamers may DL it just like others have commented to try it out but we will buy it unless it is a borked console job on the PC.

I wouldn't play Assasin Creed 2 because of the Draconian drm or buy it because of it. For me that would be enough not to buy Crysis 2.

It has already been proven with other indie games coming out with direct dl and no drm that we will buy. This is plain BS that dissapoints me in Maximum PC... You all know better.

 just checked the torrents and here is one downloaders comment:

I played the game with "hardcore" graphics. its the highest possible and it does look like dx11. Altough i dont see much tesselation.

Playing full hdd resolution 1920x1080 still manage to get 55 a 65 fps
(running with intel 2500k @ 4.1Ghz and GTX570 gpu)
Looking sweet!

Well i do stop playing as i want to buy this game. This demo satisfied my expectations and now i think the creators of this game should deserve some credits (=money)

===> For other commentors... Please tick this one up if you all agree. Maximum PC should be flogged for listing this scare tactic.

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XoRn

No chance I'll be DLing it. Crysis 1 was a great game once you got past the linearaty compared to Far Cry. I fully plan to support the developes and enjoy a FINISHED version of the game when it releases next month.

 

Also I've never had any problems with DRM. The entire Steam platform is DRM and it's my favorite program on my PC! If companies need to protect their IP with DRM I support it just as much as a family locking their doors and windows at night.

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That one guy

I think this is just negative thinking. There is no alternate to try the game right now for PC. Xbox 360 had a multiplayer demo, but PC gets nothing. Proof that people are anticipating this game and want to play it is that people are downloading this torrent.

You also can't blame them for leaking it, it is an internal build. Crytek should be finding out who leaked it instead of blaming PC gamers. The leak game is buggy and unstable. If they were to relase that multiplayer demo, there would be plenty of people trying it. Too bad that probably won't happen at this point.

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XoRn

So basicly your saying it's Cryteks fault and they deserve it for not releaseing a PC demo?

 

I disagree 100% on that. Crytek is one of the best developers in the business and they know what there are doing. Crysis was so well optiomized it ran on every machine I ever threw it on, and looked better then most games even at medium settings. If they are taking the time to continue this support, I can do without a multiplayer demo.

 

Besides PC gamers already know they are getting the best version of the game, carrots on a stick are not nessacary for us =).

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That one guy

I'd say it was the fault of the person who leaked it for leaking it, and that it should be expected that people will want to try the game, even if it is an early release. My argument is that people would play an offical demo instead of a buggy beta, but the leak is all that is out there. I don't think anyone really deserves having their game leaked.

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CHR15x94

I can't believe Crytek managed to let a build of their game out in the first place... As far as piracy and DRM is concerned, I'd say it sorta justifies the DRM PC games have to deal with, and this particular instance won't hurt PC gaming much.

I'm fine with DRM, assuming it isn't completely ridiculous. Developers should realize that their software will eventually be cracked and exploited by the cheap bastards who couldn't be bothered to support them, but punishing the users that actually purchase their software and have to deal with their over the top DRM is plain out wrong and doesn't work.

As I'm sure developers will see soon enough, Crysis 2 will sell very well, on consoles and PC. Crysis and Crysis Warhead are among the best known and loved PC games there is, and they sell well. Of course some people will choose not to purchase the game, but again, there's not much you can do. I'm sure most people will choose to purchase Crysis 2 (assuming they wanted the game in the first place). Crytek is one of the few game developers that actually put out quality PC games, not poorly done console ports like most, and most PC gamers should realize that and support a company that supports us, for the sake of them and PC gaming.

Side note, Crysis 2 looks amazing. Will totally be buying it on day one. Too bad I'll have to wait to play it on high settings... Damn it Intel!  XD

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cpuking2010

If PC games were ONLY released on steam we wouldn't have this problem as often!

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Brock Kane

I love PC gaming, I love the latest technology, in gaming! Hardware and Software is what makes PC gaming great!

I will purchase this game the legitimate way as soon as it is released!

All pirate gamers need to be deleted! As well as all the Pirated games they've stolen!

Go Crytek!

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Brock Kane

I love PC gaming, I love the latest technology, in gaming! Hardware and Software is what makes PC gaming great!

I will purchase this game the legitimate way as soon as it is released!

All pirate gamers need to be deleted! As well as all the Pirated games they've stolen!

Go Crytek!

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desiredefx

If you don't remember, HL2 was also leaked very early and look how well it did, this is no large problem for crytek

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BouJhi

where can i DL the Crysis (2) for freeeee!

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COMMANDER_COOK

I'm going to wait for the official demo. And ya know what:

If I like it, I WILL BUY IT.

PS:

If they make a TS4, I will buy it too.

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cwbytruckers

I would like to think that gamers will wait for the official release. And I hope Crytek will reconize that. I hate those damn torrents anyway.

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Baer

"Do you think news like this justifies the draconian DRM we are forced to put up with? And do you think it endangers the PC gaming platform? Let us know what you think."

Yes and YES

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ddimick

Agree with you on the latter point, but how could DRM have possibly helped in this case?

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chronium

To me it still means No and No. This event just shows that Crytek needs better internal security to prevent leaks.

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SselluosS

Definitely Supporting Crytek.