Nvidia Calls PC "Far Superior" to Video Game Consoles

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aaronj2906

THG has similar news on NVidia, but a different twist?

hxxp: www.tomshardware.c0m/news/nvidia-amazon-android-fiscal-third-quarter,25026.html

Strange? Apparently Android is the answer? Hmm?

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ResidentArse

Makes sense that a company would stand by the PC when both the PS4 and Xbox One have AMD hardware.

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fung0

That's a very good point. It doesn't mean they're wrong, though.

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beermaster

In the movie, The Count of Monte Cristo one boy was poor and his friend rich. The rich boy got a poney for his birthday and the poor boy got a whistle but you see the poor boy was so happy with his whistle that the rich boy got jealous. PC gamers have more power but the console gamers have the better catalogue. PC gamers envy console gamers and are trying hard to get the console gamers to ditch their machines. Not going going to happern any time soon. Console gamers are silently enjoying themselves while PC gamers complain constantly. BOOHOOO! Good luck waiting months for the next console port.

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davelray

The only problem with your argument, beermaster, is I've never met a PC Gamer that actually complained or whined that Game XYZ is on Console A and they can't play it. Not sure what world you live in. I've yet to see a console only game that I have "envied." The flipside of the coin is most of those triple A console titles get ported sooner or later, and then a pc person can pick it up on a steam store sale for up to 1/6th or sometimes even 1/8th the price it cost the console gamer. And only the true pc fanbois would actually try converting console gamers. There's no reason too. You can have both. I play most of my games on the pc but I happen to be a Final Fantasy fan and a Fable fan. So through the years I've also had various consoles in my living room and my pc humming along in the den. If you are a gamer, you just get what system has the game you want to play.

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fung0

The math doesn't support your argument, beemaster. If I spend $100 million developing a new game, would I rather target 1 million PS4/XB1 users, or 65 million Steam users? I don't care how fast the new consoles sell this Xmas, it's going to take them YEARS to close that gap.

Also, the fact that both new consoles essentially ARE PCs means that it will be easier than ever to target all three platforms simultaneously. Since the 'next-gen' consoles are already behind on power, the obvious showcase platform for all new big-budget game titles going forward will be the PC.

Finally, the far more interesting low-budget indie games will continue to be more plentiful on PC, since no 'curated' console market will ever give indies the same ease of access. Indies are the future of gaming; no corporate developer will ever be able to rival them for risk-taking creativity.

Bottom line, your shiny new console can look forward to a good supply of tired triple-A sequels, most all of which will release simultaneously on the PC, and look much better there. The few console exclusives will be the ones Sony and MS pay for themselves, and even their deep pockets are going to empty out soon enough.

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stradric

Funny, troll, but the facts tell a different story. You can't even play Halo 4 on an Xbox One. And yet I have nearly 20 years worth of titles I can play on my PC. Backward compatibility isn't even a concept in PC gaming, but it's a major point of contention in the console sphere.

Also, the only game worth playing that doesn't have a simultaneous PC launch is Destiny. Titanfall, Watchdogs, The Division, etc. are all coming to PC at the same time as consoles.

At this point 2 years from now, Steam is going to be where all the innovative things in gaming are happening. Developers will ignore the platform at their own folly.

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bizzy401

I built and payed for a $5000 computer with three 27" monitors...if I was envious I would simply buy your mid-grade $500 computer with proprietary OS. Pity, pity is a much better word. I always assumed that console people only bought them because they couldn't afford real gaming machines...

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FLGibsonJr

This is laughable...reviewing my 5 favorite games that I have played the most over the past several months. Not one of them, not one single one of them are available on consoles. Perhaps you are joking?

Regards,

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EKRboi

ROFLMAO.. you sir are something special.. "PC gamers have more power but the console gamers have the better catalogue" you do realize that 99% of games come out for PC too right? you guys can have kill zone and halo.. really.. please... keep them.

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kixofmyg0t

No, just no. it's nowhere near 99%. I's closer to 50% depending on which console you're talking about. Xbox? I'd say it's 60%. PS3/4? below 40%. Wii? Yes Please list the 99% of Nintendo games available on PC.

Unless all you play is FPS, in which case it's closer to 75%, the game selection is pretty different on PC vs consoles.

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buttersoft

>would happily drive car with only three wheels

Sure thing bud, it must be because you're superior to the rest of us.

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Zizu

You sir, are an idiot.

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xRootQLA

i honestly believe that nvidia was a little bit hurt in his/her pride because everyobdy knows that nvidia products give something more than AMD products what concearns pc gaming. now all consoles use amd graphics for the simplest fact that amd showed them some collaboration releasing part (if not all) of their drivers source code that make microsoft and sony much more oriented towards amd graphics because they could tune up at their best hardware and software. i know for certain that they contacted nvidia too but they refused (out of pride probably). now the problem doesnt stand of wich is more powerfull as we all know that PCs has all , the problem in my opinion stands at practicity. especially of those who are not to founded in troubleshooting and things like that. pc gaming has alot downwards because you have to keep in mind everything from drivers, opearting systems (wich is a general purpose). consoles on the other hand are more practical because first of all they have gaming dedicated OS and you dont have to know anything about computers you just plug and play. i believe those proclamations from nVidia are only out of pumposity and nothing else. next time think twice nvidia.

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Drew7

The problem is, CONSOLE "gamers" usually aren't "computer people". 80% of them don't know that XP isn't new, anymore. Nuff said.

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Ghost XFX

But they can learn. Nothing but themselves, is stopping them from doing so.

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Crackalackin

"Nuff said"

Why do you do this?

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Ghost XFX

Hmmm... Where's that Excite Bike cartridge?

**"Bloooooooo!!! Bloooooo!"**

Still got it!

Pretty much, the age of M-ATX and M-ITX gaming is coming upon us. With smaller CPUs being developed, it's almost inevitable. i don't see Sony nor Microsoft sticking around with the consoles much longer. They're barely breaking even as it is... Steam is ahead of the game, so to speak.

Plus, gamers won't have to worry about the endless cases laying around or old consoles occupying space.

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HKUSPC40

How much was the dream machine? $17,000? How much is a PS4 or XBox One? The PC better be a better gaming machine... This really is rather simple...

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stradric

The Dream Machine highlights the potential of the platform. It's far from the norm.

For $1200, you could build a high end gaming PC. And if you buy games exclusively in Steam sales, you would recoup that cost over 4 years (assuming 50% savings on 10 games/year or $300/year).

For $600 you could build a very capable gaming PC that outperforms so-called "next-gen" consoles.

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TheITGuy

That's the beauty of the PC. If you want to build a $17,000 PC, go for it. If you want to build a PC under $400, you can do that instead of being tied down to a one size fits all solution. Basing which platform you should pick based on the price of one luxury PC is absolutely ludicrous.

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davelray

The dream machine is just a concept of let's see how much money we can throw at building a computer. You can build a solid PC that will match or outperform the consoles for the same amount of money. You can definitely outperform any console for just a little bit more than the price of the console. Just because you CAN spend that much on a computer doesn't mean you have to, to get the same or better performance that any given console.

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Damnlogin

They weren't saying that when the PS2 and PS3 were hot sh*%...

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davelray

Can't fault the consumer sales manager for doing his job. So of course he's going to take the stance that the PC is better since that's NVidia's market. Had they won one of the contracts for the consoles, things would be different. The problem is, graphics is NOT the end all of video games. I've played games, both on console and PC, that the graphics were crap, but the rest of the gameplay was great in other areas. I've also seen games where the gameplay just sucks out loud, but hey, great graphics eyecandy. Heck look at Angry Birds or Plants vs Zombies or even Torchlight 1 and 2. Not the greatest graphics in the world, but the gameplay is fantastic.

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ShinRenNu

Nvidia could not impressed me more by barraging the console crowd. Yeah, I'm a PC gamer. But that doesn't mean I would not be buying the next-gen consoles for entertainment hub in my living room. It can play movies when I'm around my family. And when I wanna play with them. PC gaming is more of the whole package for me when playing minus the games that I would play on consoles like Sports and fighting games or exclusive to consoles.

Nvidia quit bitchin' coz the whole crowd moved on. If Nvidia would've been more budget friendly and tuck their heads on the ground. This would not be happening.

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Led Weappelin

Yes I use a Schlitz beer as my avatar. It's what I cut my teeth on when I was just getting started and that's all the bootlegger had. SERIOUSLY!
I'm a beer guy first.....drinking a Ayinger Celebrator as I type.

http://www.merchantduvin.com/brew-ayinger-celebrator-doppelbock.php

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Led Weappelin

Interesting article. I'd say Nvidia got their pants burned when EA got the bundle deal with BF4. That should have been EA's imo but if you are slackin' then the early bird gets the worm. And I'm sure that pissed them off and woke some folks up in the front office...BIG TIME!

As far as console vs pc I see the console very very slowly trying to work its way up, WAY UP, to pc with this new generation model. I see the PC production side luring console buyers with a smaller form factor and also video cards getting more powerful with less wattage required to power them but yet, better graphics. But no doubt it's a harder sell to get a console gamer to come to the other side.

My best analogy: (Console Gaming vs PC Gaming) is like (Macro Beer vs Craft Beer.)

Think about it.

Budweiser making Shock-Top for the craft crowd and a micro brewery making Kolsch beer for the Bud crowd. In the end it's fruitless. You either like mediocre beer that costs less or beer that has a fuller flavor and better ingredients even though it costs more.

Nough said ! :>)

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WarpathPS

My two year old graphics card easily slaps around these "next gen" consoles built around low end jaguar cores. PC's do not cost more than a console as consoles are more expensive dollar for dollar and their games are very expensive. Every console fan spends thousands for half a decade of gaming and then repeats this process over and over. Lets face it, the vast majority of console users simply lack intelligence and prefer 1985 style control pads over mouse and keyboard.

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davelray

Hey hey hey, ease up there. I prefer PC over console myself, but consoles have their place. Fun for the family and friends, no major expertise needed to set up and be off and running with decent graphics. It doesn't need to be "far superior" to satisfy everyone. I use my desktop for online gaming or single player PC games, and I use either the Wii or the Xbox 360 to have fun with my son on a bunch of multiplayer games and there's huge enjoyment in playing those with two or more people in the living room.

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Led Weappelin

That's the Macro vs Craft beer argument also....though I wouldn't say it's intelligence..I'd say it's just a group of sheep willing to follow the herd because it's the popular choice. Cost can be a huge factor. But sometimes just showing them the difference of the two (beer or game format) will show them the light.

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evertroy

"We are proposing small form-factor PCs to be a viable alternative to the next-gen consoles. Enthusiast players want the ultimate games system and that is the PC. We want to make PC gaming as simple as possible and we think that it's already becoming much more relevant and appealing to casual gamers."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't consoles just small form factor PCs with a simplified interface for gaming? Also, these small form factor PCs they are talking about better not be something like the Steam Powered Piston PC because it's not like that thing is going to be upgradable the way a regular PC is.

I gave up on Nvidia after owning 2 card and a laptop with integrated graphics all failed on me (over a period of about 3 years). Not a single AMD card has flaked out on me yet.

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AFDozerman

I see nvidia is still being bitches about losing the console game.

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Renegade Knight

You mean that working to sell folks on PCs where they sell their cards is bitching? I would think that's exactly what they are supposed to be doing.

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AFDozerman

They had a chance to sell their parts in a huge market and didn't get it. As much as I personally love PC gaming and as as superior as it actually is, console gaming is still immense. For whatever reason, MS, Sony, and Nintendo all shunned Nvidia parts for this generation. Since then, NV has gone on a crusade FUDDing against consoles and going so far as releasing its own gaming handheld. They weren't doing this before. Why now? They're acting like sore losers.

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davelray

Basically when MS and Sony went to Intel and NVidia, both Intel and NVidia decided they didn't want to bend over and give source code and everything that would be needed to collaborate together to make the console. They approached AMD and AMD gave them everything they wanted, so they went with AMD. It's just business. And of course NVidia is going to do a bit of marketing against the consoles. It's good for their business. I really saw nothing in the press release or the above article that makes them look like they are sore losers or anything. Just the usual marketing spin.

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EKRboi

I'm a PC gamer and an Nvidia "fanboy".. If Nvidia is butt hurt its kinda stupid. Nvidia did not have a chance at getting their GPU's into this gen of consoles (wiiu excluded?). When they all decided to go x86, it only made sense to use a single chip (APU)... cheaper and only one mega source of heat. Intel's APU's are a joke in comparison, for this kinda application and don't have Nvidia gpu's on them anyways. Nvidia's mobile Tegra chips are not powerful enough for a "big player console". And having some super custom Intel/nvidia chip made is too expensive.. they learned their lesson on the 360/ps3's custom PPC chips. Much cheaper to take an almost off the shelf chip and tweak it a bit.

They released the gaming handheld to show off their mobile Tegra chips... I didn't really see it as a "FUDDing against consoles", its marketing.

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davelray

Oh I'm quite sure NVidia was approached for the new generation consoles. They didn't want to play ball with MS or Sony. That was their choice.

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EKRboi

you must not have either read or understood what I wrote... it's cool.

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maleficarus™

Truth is PC gaming is all about how you built your PC. If you truly know what you are doing and really understand hardware then in actual fact there are very few issues with PC games. I can count on one hand how many games had an issue for me since I have been building PC's since 1995. I have Never had a single piece of hardware fail on me with the exception of CD-ROM drives and mice. The real issue is people run out and try to build the best PC using the cheapest parts and or brands. Then they mix and match everything and wonder why there ram sticks do not work with there motherboard. Or they can't understand why onboard sound has so many issues in PC games. You follow? The only name I buy for motherboards and VGA cards is ASUS. I won't buy anything else even if it is $50 less. Console gamers have no clue about brands and what is good and what should be avoided. All they understand is the name PS3/4 and XBOX. Here is a perfect example. Here is my system that I would and can guarantee is better then a PS4 or XBone in every conceivable way:

i5 2500K@4GHz
8GB Corsair DDR3 1600
1TB Seagate Hybrid SSHD drive
ASUS P8Z68V-PRO motherboard
ASUS GTX 760 2GB (latest driver)
ASUS 14x BD Writer
ASUS Xonar DS Sound

BF4 Ultra smooth as silk 1080P! No stuttering or whatever other crap other people moan about. Smooth frames the way it was freaken meant to be played! Now the above specs will allow me to game smooth no issues for at least another 3 years. Did the above system cost an arm and a leg? Nope, a few hundred more then the cost of an already outdated PS4, and this is the truth! I know what I am doing and I know what to buy and what not to buy. And this is why PC gaming for me has been problem free pretty much since Quake 2 days...

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davelray

Congratulations on bragging about your outdated system and how, in your opinion, it's better than a PS4. Come on maleficarus. I mean seriously, I'm a PC guy too but sheesh, you come off sounding like a douchebag. When that gear was brand new, added together with a decent monitor, case, and power supply, you'd have paid for a PS4 twice over. PC gaming isn't for everyone and doesn't have to be for everyone.

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maleficarus™

I was not bragging. I was simply pointing out that 2 year old PC hardware is STILL better overall then the PS4 or the Xbone or whatever stupid name they are giving it these days! Sorry if I sounded like an @ss but I get so sick and tired of people claiming PC gaming is such a pain in the @ss and is full of problems. It is not true and never has been if you have any clue what you are doing. And when I mean a clue, I mean no more then surfin facebook and pron...

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WarpathPS

I see you are an ASUS fanboy. I have had to flash 5 ASUS mobo's in the last 3 years to fix stability and USB problems including a $400 sabertooth. If you have actually built computers and repaired them, you would know that the parts fail regardless of what fanboy camp you claim to be in.

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maleficarus™

I don't repair for a living no but I have built since 95' at least a dozen full systems for myself, friends and family. And unless I have some magical touch with PC hardware, not a single piece has ever failed for me. Not a HDD, or a ram stick-ever!

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EKRboi

I must have this same magical touch... when I order a mother board I know what I am getting.. so if a bios update is needed for the processor I am running... I know about it ahead of time and am prepared. Of the 7 systems with Asus core components that I have built I have only had to RMA one motherboard which the onboard audio flaked out after a year.. It was a horrible experience but was also an accident on their behalf. I accept that accidents happen. Once figured out though, Asus customer support was awesome.

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EKRboi

^yup.

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PCWolf

I do agree that PC Gaming is far superior to consoles in terms of Eye Candy.But nVidia has some annoying Driver issues that console gamers don't have to deal with. I'm tired of seeing "This driver has stopped responding and has recovered' Errors, along with Stutters, Freezes & Restarts. nVidia has admitted the issues on the nVidia Forums, but has been unable to fix the problem. No mater how great the hardware, Bad drivers negate that benefit. Thanks to nVidias FAIL, I'm stuck using driver v301.42 W7 64bit because anything after that makes my GTX 560 act like Crap. *unhappy face*

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EKRboi

I run 2x GTX580's.. always on the latest drivers and I think in 3 years I may have seen that a couple time. And both times it was with new games and it wasn't the drivers, after a couple days game patches were released and voila. Or is this some issue specific to the 560?

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Mikey109105

I had a pretty big LOL reading this article.

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gmvolk

With a console, when you buy a game you know its going to work in all its intended glory. On the PC when you buy a game you need to make sure your system can handle it. Consoles win that way. However, PCs are able to be upgraded easier therfore you will be able to get more performance and therfeore a better experience. PCs therefore take the win.

In my opinion, its almost a toss up. It really all comes down to which platform has the games you want to play.

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davelray

Between consoles over heating, their power supplies blowing, their disc drives failing, or a patch that breaks one feature or another; I hate to tell you this gmvolk, but consoles do break and fail and some even arrive DOA. That is one of the bonuses in the PC category. If something on my PC fails, I know how to fix it and can do so myself. I don't have to box something up, ship it to the vendor's repair facility, then sit there and wait and wait and wait for it to come back and sometimes not even work when it comes back. All consoles have had issues over the years. And most computers sold or built within two years of any pc title release should be able to play it, short of maybe the cheapest budget sub 300 dollar pc's.