Newegg Daily Deals: Sound Blaster Recon3D Fatal1ty Sound Card, Mushkin 240GB SSD, and More!

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vrmlbasic

I can't think of anything involving "Ford" and "Torino" without remembering that awful scene where Clint Eastwood commits suicide-by-korean-punks and assumes the crucifixion pose in an eye-rolling example of oscar-baiting.

Just as I can't read "Mushkin" without thinking of the awful card game with a similar name. I don't even think I've really heard of that SSD, come to think lol.

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jbitzer

It's munchkin. And it's a pretty sweet card game if you're a pnp gamer.

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Hey.That_Dude

+1
I love starting off as a Level 1 Human with no class... (snicker)

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Hey.That_Dude

Yeah, that sound card looks cool until you look at the hardware. It's a 5.1 card and still not as impressive as the Asus Phoebus harware front.

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jbitzer

Wow, it's not as good as a twice as expensive card!!!!! Tel me more!!! Is my 660ti not as powerful as a titan too???

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Hey.That_Dude

Love that sarcasm. Don't be an idiot. It's only half of the price because it's on sale. But half of crap is still crap.
Good job nubby. Next you'll compare pure analog to digital and announce them the same! How foolish of us!

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jbitzer

Yep, digital is so superior, that's why CDs and Mp3s sound so much better than Vinyl huh?

WTF is a nubby?

You buy an add in sound card in the last 10 years, you're wasting money anyway.

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Hey.That_Dude

You've got to be deaf, or just using cheap as dirt headphones to listen to your music. CD is the bare minimum for quality music.
Then again you must not listen to music at all since all those wonderful bits you have stored in your computer have to be converted to an ANALOG SIGNAL -or as close as you can get-.
nubby = nub = nubcake = n00b = you're a complete amateur.
"You buy an add in sound card in the last 10 years, you're wasting money anyway" -> bet you money that you have a receiver for all of your TV stuff, guess what that's the same as? Some of use like to hear what we were meant to hear. Obviously you don't feel the same way, so listen to your music (well 10% of your music if it's in MP3 format) on your cheap 5 Watt computer speakers that you plug directly into your on board audio chipset that can probably barely keep up with outputting the sound from a CD.

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jbitzer

You are the one claiming digital is so much better than analog, when it is really just a transmission system, and doesn't take into account the original encoding and mixing.

It's called sarcasm, check on it.

Nubby, now that's the lamest iteration of newb I've ever heard.

A digital signal is either there or is isn't. if you pay more for a high quality sound card, then use a digital cable to connect it to your receiver, preamp, or any device that has processing ability, you're wasting your time, the signal is passed digitally to the processor either way, it makes no sense to decode it on the soundcard, redigitize, then send to the audio processor in your equipment, just pass the signal to the receiver.

All an add in sound card does is offload the audio processing off of the CPU, something that hasn't been necessary since like the Athlon XP.

you can buy all the BS marketing hype you want about creative labs and their magic sound fairies they build into the card that spread pixie dust all over your data to extract the ultimate aural experience, but it's all bullshit, and you're wasting your money.

Not to mention that the audio mastering on music put out over the last decade has been so incredibly fucked that you can listen to it out of a speaker made from an old napkin and it won't hurt it that much. Music is mastered to maximize the feeling of loudness nowadays because people don't know any better. You might want to look up the metallica death magnetic controversy. Studios know dumb kids are buying digital music and don't give a crap about quality, so they aren't mastering it for the best listening anyway, so you go ahead and overspend to pretend you hear a "90%" that doesn't exist.

As for the receiver comment, no, it isn't the same, there is no ability in the TV or dvd or bluray player to process the digital sound information to pass on to high power speakers. Your computer however, has this amazing little chip inside that's perfectly capable of doing that processing with the right codecs. Oddly, my logitech THX certified speakers manage to tell me that I am using DTS or Dolby digital despite not having am extra sound card. But hey, I'm sure yours looks really cool with the red and black sweet heat shield. When sitting in my office 2 feet from my equipment, you can bet it sounds just fine. I'm sure had I wanted to isolate myself from the rest of humanity in front of my PC, I'd need a bigger and better audio setup to drown out the sounds of my family begging for my time too.

Maybe you're a such a newb you don't remember that Creative shit themselves trying to patch together sound drivers because their business model was made obsolete when XP released.

Sound cards are so vital, I can't remember the last time a PC build in this magazine featured one.

I'll bet you pay $150 for monster HDMI cables too.

http://sound-cards-review.toptenreviews.com/sound-cards-are-they-worth-it.html

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/05/who-needs-a-sound-card-anyway.html

http://techreport.com/review/19997/asus-xonar-dg-and-xense-sound-cards

Actually, I don't want to be a jerk. Maybe you do have super high end speakers and such and a sound card makes sense for you. But even still, I doubt it's the $200 sound card, you'd probably want a much more expensive one. Also, studies have proven most people can't tell the difference between 320kbps MP3 and lossless codecs, so if you've spent the time honing that skill, good on you, but the music I listen to isn't going to benefit from hearing Vince Neil scream about sex through $10k speakers.

Edited to remove name calling, because I don't want to be an ass, I just disagree with your value assessment.

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Hey.That_Dude

Yeah, if you're gonna pass your audio digitally out of your sound card then it's useless. But i don't, my music comes out of the analog ports on the back of my sound card. Some of those signals are then routed through an analog amplifier for my speakers. (Not my current headphones, that would hurt, but soon i will have better ones that may need an amp.) That means that YES the hardware you're using to convert those signals is a BIG DEAL. BTW, TV's don't need to do that much decoding anyways since the players tend to convert the encoded music to LPCM signal( it's generally done by default, check it, and TV's have pre-outs that can be individually amped or not depending on the speakers needs) Receivers can do a bunch of decoding (and I won't touch receivers that don't do FLAC along with the other major name DDS, DMA, etc.)

I'd never pay more than $20 for a digital anything cable. End of story.

You should ask the people who ran that test about the MP3 versus loseless if they used 32 ohm headphones or 2,000 ohm headphones. There is a direct correlation between the impedance of the speaker and the quality of music that comes out of it. Having personally done the test with MP3 versus Loseless on MULTIPLE headphones I can honestly say that yes, you can tell the difference if you know to perform the tests correctly (because human physiology does have limits and you have to work within them) and it become more obvious as the impedance of the speakers gets higher, which one is the lower quality signal.

And nubby is a great derivative! X-P

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jbitzer

Quick Question for you, if you have already said CD is the absolute minimum standard, and I'm assuming you are ripping the lossless codecs from CD, then why do you need anything better than CD capable audio hardware?

What would you say the benefit of any of these cards is to the person who just plays games?

I'm assuming you are using your PC for much audio use, which most people aren't so I'm still calling them a waste of money though.

This seems to me to be like running the original unreal engine on the latest graphics hardware, yes, you can get really high resolution, but the source is crap as far as textures, lighting, and pixel count, so what's the point?

Supposing you are listening to high fidelity audio, what are you even listening to, and where does one obtain high bitrate music, to my recollection SACD and the like are gone, and were not all that superior to begin with.

Nubby sucks, everyone knows it's spelled n00b, or newb. Barely conversant neanderthals use nub. How lazy do you have to be to save that 1 extra letter? it's as bad as people who pronounce pwn "pawn" and I won't hear of it.We are at a sad state of affairs when the youngster texting generation has to shorten 1334sp3@k.

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Hey.That_Dude

HDtracks.com, FLAC supports a bunch of high profile audio.

For game play it may or may not be worth while depending on if it needs heavy decoding and whether you're using good headphones or surround sound (obviously surround sound would be a little more taxing on your system so you might want to off load that from your CPU, and good headphones will help you hear "squashed" sound -I hate you MP3-). Now if you even once watch a movie it becomes a lot more worth while as those files tend to have tons of dynamic range -especially everyone's favorite "Explosions"-. And again if you own 24b equipment (such as microphones, etc) or 24b files, then it's a great option.

Please also note that I DON'T like the creative card... so don't judge me on that. Look at what you get on the Asus card, 7.1 and a headphone amp for higher impedance headphones.

And I will create a new word in your speech as I see fit (after all, I also say google as a verb). It's my right as a creative human being -I swear I'm not an alien. I'm just a level one human with no class- so... nubby it is and nubby I will keep it.

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jbitzer

I told someone I was googling my keys when I couldn't find them the other day...

I know shame.

Ok, so the first thing from their FAQ says they are selling you FLAC or AIFFs that match the CD quality.

My question remains, if it's only CD quality they are offering, and CD is already the minimum quality. How is this a benefit?

Along the same lines, This doesn't solve the mastering problems either.

And lastly, my MP3's that I care about are ripped right from CD in 320kbps, which as I've read, studies have shown are indistinguishable from a FLAC on pretty expensive headphones.

Though since I only listen to music through my truck's Sync system,I know I'm not going to notice a difference over the engine and environmental noise.

Edit: WOW! there is nothing in David Lee Roth's voice worth paying $25 an album to hear! Holy crap, they're selling albums like it's 1988!

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Hey.That_Dude

I read the that same report on the internet too. "MP3's are just a good as Loseless"... and they NEVER explained how the tests were conducted.

Like I said, I did the tests and had two sources playing at the same time with left and right channels coming from different sources I.E. left is Loseless and right is MP3 (what a pain to sync them). Then I used some old ipod headphones, some nice Bose earbuds, and my friend's QC15. I bet money that those people didn't conduct their test that way. Humans tend to have very poor audio memory. You cant play a 4 minute song of one and then a 4 minute song of the other. Your Brain cant hold on to how things sounded 4 minutes ago ESPECIALLY when there is sound in between the two points. (unless you're crazy and you listen to one version several times until you know the nuances and then listen to another version and listen for those nuances, even then you're still more likely to be wrong than right) Plus you have to listen to the right kind of music, music with a wide range, the wider the better. Trust me, I've HEARD the highs squashed out of my MP3's.

Yes they are a bit on the expensive side, that's why I've only bought a few. Plus I also mentioned Audio equipment that has an ADC with a better converter than 16b/48Ksps. With how cheap it is to make and or get 24b ADC's it's sad that we're not getting any of that audio.

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aarcane

That's a lot to pay for a single S/PDIF port, which is all you need to make your awesome sound system rock...

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Bullwinkle J Moose

I'd rather use a few good plugins myself...

But thats just me

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Does Creative Labs still add DRM to their device drivers?

That's the biggest reason I stopped using their products: The software was getting bloated and intrusive, then they slapped DRM on their device drivers. I thought it was insanity.