Microsoft Warns Against Using Registry Hack Allowing Windows XP to Receive Security Updates

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Jox

"Windows XP customers also run a significant risk of functionality issues with their machines if they install these updates"

Translation: Next patch, we're putting in something to screw with you.

-Jox

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legionera

Does anyone know whether you can block any internet access from inside and outside but keep lan connection on in XP?

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themohawkadmin

Give the PC a static IP and do not add a default gateway. Still a possibility of getting infected via lan from another computer, but at least it won't be able to connect to the internet.

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legionera

Thanks. I just want to connect printers to it and share them lan. I don't plan to use it for file sharing anyways.

Thanks again :)

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BobK2007

OK, I'll get it started. I just converted my 81 year old mothers 8 year old eMachine from XP to PCLinuxOS. Her XP went all blue-screen on her one day last week. I COULD have done a reinstall but.....all she does is surf the net, do some email, and use Facebook. There was no way Win7 was going to run on that old hardware and the hardware was still very functional.

I now have icons set up on her desktop that get her to those three favorite functions and I've cleaned up the rest of the desktop to eliminate any pesky non-essentials. She was already using Chrome so there was no learning curve for her there. Email presented an almost flat learning curve, Thunderbird is pretty intuitive vs Live Mail or the old OE.

Most of you kiddies don't remember going to a computer store and being asked, "What are you going to do with your computer?" Form follows function. My mom now has a modern secure operating system which allows her to surf, email, and Facebook to her hearts content and she didn't have to buy hardware and even more software for the privilege. Flash works, mp3's work, out of the box. PCLinuxOS is a rolling release so she gets updates automatically thereby minimizing any risks.

Mom loves it. An operating system is only a way to run apps to get stuff done, why does it matter what OS is underneath?

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legionera

Then, she attempts to print/scan/video skype and all your confidence go down the drain. Or even she wants to edit something in the crippled Open/Libre Office.

Careful with Thunderbird on linux distros. It eats ram like crazy.

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tracyanne

quote::Then, she attempts to print/scan/video skype and all your confidence go down the drain. Or even she wants to edit something in the crippled Open/Libre Office. ::quote

Print, Scan, Video and Skype all work perfectly. Libre Office, I've use it on Windows and Linux, and OpenOffice before that. Never had a problem opening MS Word Documents, not even documents sent to me from companies I've dealt with, as a Freelance Programmer.

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ApathyCurve

Well, I'm far from a "kiddie" and I've never liked some undereducated retail drone in ill-fitting clothes asking me "what are you going to do with your computer?" (Or any other product, for that matter.) My answer is the same as it is for all such nosy questioners: "None of your fucking business. Bring me what I ask for and shut up."

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Blues22475

"My answer is the same as it is for all such nosy questioners"

Count me as one of those nosy ones then. I am not selling an over-priced over-kill computer to someone who just wants to surf the Internet and look at facebook.

The question has gotten be asked because we can't read your mind and understand you have tech experience, or those idiots who don't ask those questions and sell someone a piece of hardware that they don't even need just for a bottom line.

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MrHasselblad

I'm surprised at how many companies; multi million dollar companies - even others making billions per year; that still have yet to fully upgrade to anything outside of Microsoft Windows XP.

What could it possibly cost?

Typically less than one hundred for the operating system; especially if large numbers of licenses are purchased. Add to that the trivial cost of upgrading hardware.

I've even noticed outdated XP systems that have extensive volumes of critical personal data. there cannot possibly be an excuse why not to upgrade by now.

But then again, also remember that the united states Internal Revenue Service still largely uses Microsoft Windows XP. Sure some f their stuff is upgraded, but a majority of their systems still use XP. To think that taxpayers are flipping the bill for the IRS lack of insight

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themiddlegeek

More than you think. Assume you are a medium-sized business with around 5,000 workstations. You have two options.

1) Get a separate license for each and every system. If you're lucky, you can get upgrade licenses, which will still probably be ~$100 a pop. That's a cool $500,000 in pure licensing.

2) Use one of Microsoft's volume licensing options. I had trouble with their licensing adviser, but assume this will be around if not above the amount for option 1.

Not to mention the IT costs (most places contract XP to 7 upgrades to temp agencies), and the adapting of custom programming/framework to work with the new OS, not to mention the annoyance of re-training staff, and management of a staggered install schedule to keep downtime, well, down. It's a headache, and companies (and gov't *cough*) are trying to push it off as long as possible.

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MrHasselblad

I've actually already factored items such as that; to a business that only has 4 computers to one such as you mentioned - having thousands.

If any business would have that many computers then it could also easily afford to properly update them. After all, if the margin is really that tight that a business cannot afford to upgrade over that much of a time period, then something is critically wrong with both the business and it's bookkeeping.

Also think of it as cost versus benefit. If any business is willing to have the risk in continuing to run XP, then it will also eventually catch up to them in other costs.

The TEN BILLION annual dollar private company I've been inferring in mentions above, running XP on most of their systems - including critical payroll and employee data. That company claims they cannot afford to properly upgrade. But it will in facts catch them soon, once all of that employee data is stolen

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jbitzer

Yes, hundreds of dollars is directly comparable to hundreds of thousands.

Can you convince my bank teller of that?

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devin3627

WINDOWS XP 64-BIT IS HORRIBLE! FULL OF BUGS!

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GreenTurtle

LIKE BUG #625 THAT MAKES YOUR CAPS LOCK STICK!

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Spiral01

LMFAO!! AND I'M USING WINDOWS 7 64BIT, BUT I DO NOT HAVE THAT BUG!

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John Pombrio

Or they could be blowing smoke. I notice how many updates for Win8.1 also pertain to Win Server. I say keep using the reg hack and see what happens.

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ram1220

I totally agree!

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allc0re

Oh, come on! Give it up, people. Windows XP is 13 years old. Let. It. Go. (or GTFO)

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ShyLinuxGuy

Every excuse not to upgrade is just that--an excuse. Especially from those who are responsible for their company or organization's IT. I think by now it *should* be common knowledge that any and all software evolves and will eventually fall out-of-date, will always be buggy, and will always have new vulnerabilities. Although it's not always the case, it's better to be on the safe side and upgrade rather than running the risk of becoming compromised.

As for personal/home users: understand that MS (or any other software vendor) never intended for the perpetual use of their software. Believe it or not, even the newest OS--Windows 8.1--will be as obsolete as Windows 95 in about 20 years or so, because there's always improvements to be made. Just because "it works" isn't advisable, unless you decide to remove your outdated machines from any access to a network or the Internet.

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tristone

If the kernel and other system components are pathed timely, and all other daily applications are also pathed, I don't see any compelling reason to upgrade.

Actually for most people the latter is not taken care of by MS hence would not be a problem when MS stopped updating. For example to surf the web you can use Chrome or Firefox and both are updated. Since the XP kernel is the same as server 2003 and those embedded ATM XPs, MS is for sure to push out updates for them and I don't see why those updates can not be trusted.

The moment one really should upgrade probably is when he buys a new PC that has new hardware not supported by XP kernel. Or when 3/4GB RAM is no longer enough for daily use. Other than this, it will be a total waste of money to buy Win7/8 just to run it on an XP-capable machine.

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AFDozerman

...of course they do...

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hornfire3

"he best way for Windows XP customers to protect their systems is to upgrade to a more modern operating system, like Windows 7 or Windows 8.1."

**sigh of relief**

except Bullwinkle won't be happy about this.

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tracyanne

quote:: the best way for Windows XP customers to protect their systems is to upgrade to a more modern operating system, like Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 ::quote

Or Ubuntu, or Linux Mint, or Zorin or... And save on the upgrade costs. Which is what we did after I retired 7 years ago.

Since myself and my partner are on a fixed income cutting costs is important. Not having to buy new hardware is a bonus, not having to buy an Operating System License is another. So we now use Linux systems.. I use Ubuntu and my partner uses Linux Mint.

Of course the choice was easy for me, as I had already used Linux as part of my job, so I already knew that the FUD about Linux is nothing more than repeated misinformation, I saw no point in buying a license for Win 7, so I simply replaced Windows with Linux. I can do all the same stuff as I did on Windows... the tools are different, but learning is fun, I can even still program in C#, if I want, using Mono. For my partner almost nothing has changed, it looks a bit different, but Firefox is still Firefox, and although the interface looks a bit different the email still arrives, viral jokes and all. DVDs still play movies, YouTube still works, as does Social Networking.. what more can one ask for.

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jbitzer

No, Has to be locked down XP. Can you sniff the packets coming out of your ass when using 8? Can you tell if MS planted a secret tracker in your brain code?

The government is watching you for secret back doors, that's why I put 2 inch cuts in my network cables every 10 feet, it lets the spying packets fall out onto the floor.

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Carlidan

That was kinda of funny. :)

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Neufeldt2002

Say what you want, but he is correct about the security of the OS's available.

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severnia

just open the cable up and cut the blue and brown wires, those are the nasty ones to the back door.

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The Mac

Just put all your junk in a faraday cage.