Microsoft Spills the Beans on DirectX 12, SupportedTitles Scheduled for Holiday 2015

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Rift2

I hope my FX 8350 is good for 5 years or more now =)

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ApathyCurve

Holiday 2015? ROFLMAO. That's nearly a full cycle of Moore's Law. Pathetic.

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TheMissingPiece

Better performance, and works on current DX11-compatible cards? Fine by me! No visual upgrades from the looks of it though, so that's slightly disappointing.

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AFDozerman

I imagine the visual improvements will be on 12.1. They probably put them on hold to concentrate on Mantle competition. Doesn't really matter, though. By then Mantle will probably be releasing visual improvements that are competitive with it. It's unfortunate that AMD isn't open-sourcing it any time soon. The last thing we need is vendor lock-in. Mantle doesn't need this, either. If AMD knows what is good, they'll let Nvidia and Intel adopt it.

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The Mac

They most likely will once it comes out of beta. Theyve said as much.

There isnt much point to doing it now when its full of bugs.

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AFDozerman

I wouldn't call it buggy. The only thing that I've really heard is that the sky in BF4 was a different shade of blue, and that was confirmed by Dice to be a problem on their end.

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The Mac

it was s bug in the shader code, the gamma was off, dice fixed it a while ago.

Perhaps buggy is a bit strong, incomplete i guess is more accurate.

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aarcane

'bout damn time Microsoft offered an update that doesn't demand new hardware to utilize.

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vrmlbasic

I'd be shocked if it didn't require an "upgrade" to Windows 8 though...

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yammerpickle2

With several VR headsets in development I had hoped that they would incorporate VR into Dx12. With all the cross pollinating between Oculus we will probably see better support for VR in Steam OS.

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LatiosXT

https://developer.nvidia.com/sites/default/files/akamai/gamedev/docs/GDC_2013_DUDASH_DeferredContexts.pdf

And if DX is ripping off Mantle, Mantle is ripping of Glide3D.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Is it a Ripoff of Mantle?

http://hothardware.com/News/New-Reports-Claim-Microsofts-DirectX-Rips-Off-Mantle-Wont-Help-Xbox-One--But-Is-It-True-/
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Works on ALL Microsoft Platforms!

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2110085/next-gen-directx-12-graphics-tech-revealed-hitting-microsoft-platforms-in-2015.html
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Probably not Windows 7 and definitely not XP though!

So what the hell is a Windows "Platform"?

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Correction
Above post should read> Works on ALL Windows Platforms!

Just as the PCWorld article states

(except for certain Windows Platforms of course)

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Granite

What is a Windows Platform??

Something modern.

You got a problem with that?

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Never Mind,
I found the definition at Microsoft

A Windows Platform is whatever we say it is and can change at any moment
Right now a Windows Platform has no classic "Windows" and little compatibility with "Windows" software

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Nimrod

this is so laughably pathetic. the only way this shit was going to get noticed at this point was with some actually useful new features. No specialized support for VR, we should have had ray tracing by the end of 2015and its not in there.

in another two years linux gaming will have established it self already and it doesnt look like it will be a bright future for the XB1 either.

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Peanut Fox

At the moment sales of the XB1 are on par with the PS4, and it's in fewer territories. The box itself is questionable, but people seem to be buying it.

Also why are you referring to 2015 in past tense? Is that a typo?

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Nimrod

my telephone plays games with graphics that look better than the XBONE. At the end of 2015 4k screens will be seeing wide spread adoption, at the same time the XBONE will be seen as a widespread uber fail since it cant even play most games at 1080. Its a fuking joke and people wont be laughing when they buy a 4k

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Quenepas

Thats not true. The ps4 is outselling the XB1 3 to 1 and the trend is expected to continue and the gap to widen. There are territories the XB1 wont have an impact like Japan while the PS4 thrives. Microsoft policies towards the XB1 have changed a lot and continue to change due to the critical adoption rate. When MS in bundling games so early in the game it means somethings up. The VP of the game division resigned and even Nokias ex-CEO Stephen Elop suggested to sell the Entertainment division altogether and this happened when he was considered to be Microsoft new CEO after Ballmer. Now, in a very funny twist of fate, Stephen Elop is the new Entertainment division GM. The guy who wanted to get rid of the division is the division new GM. Good riddance.

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Peanut Fox

There's about a 1.4mill gap in hardware sales between the two. It's really not significant, nor is it 3 to 1. Defiantly not good for Microsoft.

The end of the month will be interesting, as we'll have numbers for PS4 sales in Japan, and we'll be able to see if Titanfall was able to move XBO consoles (Which I don't think it will).

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acidic

Linux blah blah. we go through this EVERY year. I guess this year really will be the year of desktop/gaming Linux huh ? lol

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Nimrod

are you some kind of a fucking idiot or something?

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AFDozerman

Linux is already the number one kernel in the world thanks to Android. The year of Linux has already come and gone and people don't even realize it. Next step is the desktop and Valve is playing ahead with it. Add that to the fact that Crytec just announced Linux support and we have the makings of a revolution.

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acidic

i guess you totally missed the point. linux will NEVER be a viable option for 99% of desktop machines especially when it comes to gaming. we hear the same sad story every year when a developer or whatnot "supports linux". by your measure unix has been a top dog as well thanks to osx/ios. i guess all you linux loving neckbeards will grasp at anything to declare your beloved as the next holy grail.

yeah, let us rejoice in crytec's decision to "support" linux and seeing how they have such great games with engines that render underground water when it is not needed. not to mention shitty optimized games

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Nimrod

Yes, yes I guess you are some kind of a fucking idiot. lol

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acidic

sudo apt get LIFE

please dont use your uber 1337 h4x0r skillz on me using the almighty linux. torvalds for life. moron

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Quenepas

The tale of SteamOS and the toGL software Valve released...

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AFDozerman

Ah, the old "if I haven't read an article on it in almost 3 days, it's vaporware" argument.

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acidic

hopefully this all pans out well. i mean if a 4 man team can port forza 5 in 4 months over to dx12, surely more developers can do it or even build games from the ground up for dx12. it is also nice how fermi and above on nvidia's side can utilize it as well. not sure what can be said regarding amd

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John Pombrio

A year and a half away from launch. Now exactly what I was expecting.

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vrmlbasic

The 18+ month ETA makes those rumors that both Sony (PS4) and AMD (Mantle) caught Microsoft with their pants down more believable.

I'm surprised that, given their decision to go with a low-power octacore processor, M$ hasn't been working on this for years. I know the rumor mill says that M$ wasn't planning on releasing the XBone for another year and was blindsided by Sony but one would think that DX12, the tech that could make the XBone more capable, would still have been in development for a while and not be 18 months out.

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Quenepas

I agree. Typical MS. They can be exceptionally good and exceptionally shitty. They made a great job with the 360 and have done SO horribly wrong with the XBONE it's ludicrous. Most of the people I know have jumped ship to PS3 due free online and PS+ free games. MS efforts in this department, not only poor, have been ridiculed by gamers and analysts alike. All the missteps since the XBONE launch and they are not stopping.

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The Mac

yup me, too.

Looks like mantle is going to be relevant after all.

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vrmlbasic

Perhaps in 18 months a Mantle card might be obtainable lol.

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The Mac

no kidding...sheesh...

although they are finally starting to come down in price...