Microsoft Reportedly Prepping Windows 9 Announcement

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lifeboat

"I know I'm in the minority"

I think a lot of people want Aero back. As to being a resource hog, well, you could always have an option to turn it off. With today's improved GPUs I think the resource hog problem isn't much of a problem anyway.

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MaximumMike

I don't even want that. I don't need flashy windows, fancy screen transitions, froody text boxes, or gigantic useless circles on my start bar. I prefer a flat gray palette with with no graphical options whatsoever turned on. My setup on Windows 7 resembles Windows 98 as closely as possible. The only thing they have changed over the years that I have liked has been showing your favorites and recently used apps in the start bar. But I absolutely hate the way they started hiding the all programs list and the way they changed the search box. Windows XP had all that stuff right to begin with. Why Microsoft felt the need to break it, I'll never know.

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reded23

@hornfire3 The only BS is your failure to read facts Windows Phone is actually doing pretty well in most countries other than America in fact it has overtaken the iPhone in many countries ! As for metro its designed for tablets and works well on them, the fail is people not wanting to embrace new workflows, 8.1 is a very good OS.

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PubstarHero

The issue I've mostly had is that I do alot of power user work on my laptop (Windows AIK opened up while a VM is in another window/monitor). The default file associations are all to Metro apps, which take up full screen even if I only need it half of my screen to look at. I had to go through and change the old associations to the Win7 style apps, which took around 20-30 minutes. Installed Start8 to get a Windows 7 like start menu, and I've been happy with 8.1. The new multi monitor support is amazing, and I find that the system operates faster and moving files around is a bit quicker as well.

That being said, for the average user that doesn't take the time to configure the OS to behave in a way that they are used to is going to get extremely frustrated by the way Windows 8 works in general.

Honestly, if Windows 9 makes more of a move back to a Windows 7 interface, I'll probably skip upgrading to Win 8.1 Pro (even though its only $69.99 for me) and go to Win 9 Pro.

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Baer

reded 23 I have to agree, the new Windows phones are quite good and are doing well. I have clients that are going to them and are happy. They are still have a small market share but one that has been growing faster than most people realize.
Still, what would be the issue with having a different, powerful WIndows OS for real computers and keeping the touch version for phones and tablets?

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reded23

But I use both on my Thinkpad 2, on my desktop machine I just launch straight into desktop mode. I would hate it if they split them, I spend 70% on my time with Metro Apps on my tablet and occasionally jump to desktop to open office, Adobe files etc.

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CyberCam

Call me impressed... You are one of the very few that uses & likes the Metro interface.

Out of the hundreds of customers my shop has, there are only maybe 5 individuals that are as happy as you are with the Metro interface on a PC desktop and don't require an addon start menu app.

As for the "fail is people not wanting to embrace new workflows"... Like the old saying goes if it ain't broke you don't need to fix it. People are pushed too hard and over worked to want to willingly learn new workflows

I've learned a few things over these many years servicing customers, humanity loves familiarity, they fear change and fear things they don't understand.

I've seen an overwhelming number of unhappy customers since Win8/8.1 has released. It's at the point where Apple doesn't need to advertise Macs anymore, they're flying off the shelves like hot cakes because of Win8.

The funny thing about is, when people are pushed to learn the new Windows interface, they would rather learn Apple's old one.... weird uhh?

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vrmlbasic

I dislike Windows H8 as much as any real PC user should, but why would it make the Windows faithful flee to Macs? OS X is quirky & nifty (and better than Win 8) but it is also about as different from Windows 7 as Windows 8 is.

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CyberCam

Because, word of mouth, and ease of use. Many students are now using just as many Macbook Pros than Windows based laptops. Most of the customers I serve aren't Windows faithful, they just never knew they had a choice, they've grown on Windows. People have good grasp of OSX after the 1 hour class, and many take the class before buying their system.

When I walk through the study hall of my daughters University, I see that 50/50 split. Plus, I'm always having this conversation... "My daughter/son is going to University/College and my/her friends told us to get a Mac, why is that?". Then I take them over to the Macbook Pro and show them first hand and explain to them what's it all about.

I'm not championing any particular OS, because I use them all, I'm just relaying my experiences with my customers, which range around 3-5 thousand or so. I'm not saying everyone moves to Macs or Linux, but the numbers have tripled since Win8 came out.

Then there's the downgrading option, we have downgraded Win8 to Win7 approx a thousand times since Win8 was released. The others choose to bear with it and use Start Menu 8 (from iobit) that we install for them.

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reded23

Firstly I said I used Metro on my tablet not desktop ! As for people flocking to Apple....the iPad is exactly the same(actually worse) one app at a time, full screen !
Maybe if people like you helped and educated customers in all the new better ways of working in Win 8.1 they wouldn't have to resort to 3rd party apps.

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GreenTurtle

And why exactly should we be educating Microsofts customers on their operating system for them? Wouldn't have to if they listened to their customers and left it alone...

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reded23

If they left it alone then nobody would buy it ? Just as people started crying when cars started getting paddles on the steering wheel to change gear, there was up roar, flappy paddles they were called. Now they are common place and a huge selling point. MS has moved forward into the future and yes they will leave some behind (for now) but without change and improvements(yes) they would go out of business.

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GreenTurtle

There can be change and improvements without alienating much of your user base.
As a side note, the auto sector is a poor example... seeing as they are doing so well...

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CyberCam

Sorry I misunderstood, I thought you said you used it on your desktop. As for helping teach the customers, I do, trust me I really try! We have free classes on how to use Windows 7&8, MacOSX, Ubuntu and Linux Mint.

Oh... and when it comes to tablets, people have lower expectations and do not usually multitask critical apps with them. Tablets are mainly used for casual media viewing or surfing and gaming, that's about it. That's what I've learn from my customers.

The problem really lies in the fact that Microsoft has had a terrible history with a lot of people. Everyone has had a lot of negative experiences with Windows over the many years. Ask me how many times I've been ask why can't this thing just work and not lose (corrupt) my documents or crash etc.

The thing that makes me successful at what I do, is I look at the human factor first! I and my team build personal relationships with our customers to point we know the majority by name and we give them options (MacOSX & Linux).

We have machines setup with MacOSX and Ubuntu and Linux Mint for customers to play with and when people try them, they like them and are always amazed when we tell them how long they've been running without issues.

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don2041

Lets hope win9 won't be the Swiss Army knife of operating systems, does a lot of things but not very well.

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Innomasta

Just give start menu, make it stable, and everyone will be happy.

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jnite

Agreed. 8.1 gave us the Start button and a built in option to skip Metro when booting up. The only thing missing was the actual Start Menu. It's currently the only reason I still need to use Classic Shell. If they would do this then I would be satisfied.

According to an earlier article on this site, they are planning on adding back the Start Menu... In an update in 2015.

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PCWolf

So, when it comes to the Start Button/Menu, it takes the clowns at MS 1-2 Years to do what 3rd Vendors have done from day 1. Who the F is going to wait until 2015 to get what they can get now from a 3rd party vendor? Its more than just the missing Start Menu. Windows 8 is trying to make PCs feel like Touch Tablets. & that method has failed HARD!

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wolfing

Guess they want to do what they did with Windows 7. At the last release (SP2) of Vista, it had already fixed most of the issues Vista originally had, but the PR damage was done so they basically repackaged Vista SP3 as "Windows 7". Windows 8.1 is usable now (specially when you add Classic Start menu and set to boot to desktop), so probably W9 will be what Windows 8.2 would have been.

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wazkatango

Microsoft better have some sort of answer to Steam OS if it turns out to be halfway decent, otherwise I'll just keep my Windows 7 install for compatibility reasons and forgo buying 9.

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Baer

I have no problem with the Metro tile look instead of the previous version list. The rt click options on the new 8.1 start button took away most of the inconvenience IMHO. However,.... not being able to open multiple "Windows" at the start screen and having the start screen Apps open to full screen is a real pain however. Also, lets not call real "Programs" by the name "Apps" which indicates a thin utility or just a web link in many cases.
MS has to realize that most of us are not i-Kiddies.

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sadatoni

As long as Microsoft sticks with the Metro gui, Windows 9 will tank too.

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hornfire3

Well, like what Maxeeemum said, this is going to be pretty tough work for M$ since (thx to Ballmer) they're sticking hard to the Metro bs as well as the plan to sell all Windows Phones product, even as they fail.