Microsoft Pushing Users To Adopt Windows 8 Over Windows 7

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The Mac

RTM for windows 9 is rumored for October of this year, or may of next.

Public beta in the next month or 2.

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ApathyCurve

I just ordered parts for a new gaming box build on Saturday.

After playing with my wife's Win8 system (which she doesn't like as much as she did Win7), talking to acquaintances who have installed it (most of whom do not like it), discussing it with our corporate IT guys (who evaluated it and found no compelling reason to use it) and spending several weeks reading various forums on gaming and hardware sites about Win8 experiences, I decided to go with Win7.

There are already enough variables in building a new box; staying with the proven OS is the safe bet.

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Renegade Knight

8 is faster. It's more stable and works great on my gaming rig. Hindsight tells me it wasn't worth the upgrade from 7. But on a new machine I'd have no qualms.

I haven't had any Win 8 gaming issues. I'm more likely to have Win 95 gaming issues (anything that didn't survive going to XP still won't work on Vista/7/8.

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CaptainFabulous

SweetFX doesn't work on 8.1. That right there is a massive dealbreaker for serious gaming. I've also had some minor issues with other programs that didn't want to play nice. I'm sure in time it'll all get smoothed out, but right now there are just enough cracks in the facade to prevent me from upgrading my main rig.

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The Mac

have you tried it through radeon pro? i know its 1.2, but its better than nothing.

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Granite

I've never used SweetFX, but it seems it does work with Win8.1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS5WC2JZRzM

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CaptainFabulous

It's a hit or miss right now. It works with some games, some times, but for a lot of games it just doesn't.

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PCLinuxguy

Agreed. I run Windows 8.1 Pro for gaming, and I've had no issues.

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firefox91

I am completely serious when I say my company who is spread out all over the country and about 50,000 strong just officially finished the upgrade to Windows 7 in December. We still have some WinXP systems floating out there though. There is no way in hell that Win8 is going to happen within the next few years much less the next 12 months. On top of that, our users are some of the most needy children ever who cannot handle change. I work in IT for a living and quit Win8 after a 6 month ride myself because it offered no advantages (for me) over Win7. MS can make these threats of stopping support all they want. In the end, their big business customers who make them a ton of money will dictate otherwise.

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bigrigross

I have a feeling you and I work for the same company haha. Our deadline was for mid december as well.

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spectrex

If they really want to get people behind this, bring back the $40 upgrade price for a limited time.

I was like everyone else and said no way to windows 8. After seeing too many new Winodws 8 machines I figured I better get it. Now I realize that with two simple installs (Classic Shell and the patch to get back desktop Gadgets) it's just like a updated Windows 7 and I am fine with it.

It's still really hard to talk people into Windows 8 though they think it's Vista ... Just like Vista many people trash the OS and never even used it.

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Renegade Knight

I never understood the Vista/8 Comparisons.

When I upgraded to Vista I had driver problems and I also had Vista stability issues. As a bonus Vista was incompatible with itself (never saw that one before or since). The interface was better than XP though. 7 is much better than Vista for interface.

Vista was half baked. 8 is fully "baked". It's more stable than 7. It's the interface everyone's whining about. For every legitimate issue (and there are legitimate issues with 8 that people who use it talk about) there are bunches of people just whining. They would be well served at shutting up after saying. "It's like Rap. Some people like it. Some don't. I don't like 8.". Preference I can understand. Beyond that it's just FUD.

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Orlbuckeye

Especially the comments like I know with Windows 8.1 you can boot into the desktop but I rather it not be there. Well if they don't want to use it it they don't have to and really don't no Metro is there. Also the comment about the normal control panel. Well my Windows 8.1 has the same control panel as my windows 7 machine and the shortcut is on my desktop in the same place. Only difference is there are more tools in the Windows 8 control panel.

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majorsuave

Maybe it is time that Microsoft starts to give the OS away and make money through app sales and IAP sales like Android or iOS.

I bet that if Windows 8 was free it would not be 200M users but rather 2G.

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Renegade Knight

RT should be free. The app store is captive. It's not 7/8 Desktop compatible. It' just not compelling as a paid OS after Android and iOS have taken over the world in the captive "Apps, Ads, and Content" mobile OS world.

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CaptainFabulous

I'd like to see them offer a free or very low cost version of Windows 8 (like $20 or less) for XP users. No one in their right mind is going to drop $120 to upgrade an old XP machine, and that's considering it doesn't need other upgrades as well.

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Nixon

It could become better if they were to place effort into it. Unfortunately, the app store is abysmal in comparison to either Apple, or Google/Android, and has been as such ever since the release of Windows 8.
Money does need to be made elsewhere, but that doesn't mean cutting corners in what they already have. Providing optional service platforms for their office suite and sky-drive were a good start. Re-creating service platforms that have already existed elsewhere that have more experience is the wrong idea.

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RandomInt

I like how the comments on this site now immediately go full retard in one post. No debate, no insight, just straight to @devin3627: “windows 8 is just a chance to make things portable so they can make more money”.

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lvavila

He (@devin3627) should be a stand up comedian or stupidian. "All a business wants to do is make money. ". That dude needs to stop sniffing pop-tarts.

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Bonefish

It is a requirement at my job to make money. That is what being in business means.

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The Mac

Ditto. Id be fired if i didnt make my boss money.

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rsaotome

Still using & loving Win7 Ultimate, think I'll go buy a few extra licenses for when the inevitable MS push happens.

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ilfipian

Windows 8 went all the wrong directions in UI and design as well as setting up a more walled off OS. It's like they decided to become Apple. It might be faster than 7 and stable, but that's not everything in an OS.

I've been dual booting linux for years, but it looks to me like I won't be dual booting after my current PC. Linux only.

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NavarWynn

My current employer has ~75,000 PCs across nearly 2000 locations worldwide, nearly all running win7 enterprise. Just simply retraining employees to use a new interface will *literally* cost them *at a minimum* 10s of millions of dollars (likely more like 100s of millions). The lost sales that will likely result within a 'changeover period' would be on the same order of magnitude.

I think win7 enterprise is going to be supported for a long time. My company represents one of dozens as big (or bigger) in the same situation. While MS can not be called 'wise', certainly they are not complete dolts.

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Orlbuckeye

I hope you employees are playing in the OS all day. My organization isn't affected by OS changes because the employees job is to use the applications not the OS. It worries about the OS. We give them a browser, email and all the apps they need. Now if the application changes then we have to train. But for the OS we put the shortcut on the desktop and they click the shortcut as they did in XP and Windows 2000 before that.

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AzMonguse

I do phone Tech support and our company who most of you use every day (can't say the name but most of you have them for your phone Co.) just spent tons of money upgrading to Win7 in all the call centers, no way are they gonna touch Win8

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Renegade Knight

We just switched to 7. Odds are 9 will be the one they roll out. Heck they may wait until 10.

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Granite

I suspect that by the time MS pulls support for Win7 for businesses most of your employees will have used Win8 personally and then the retraining costs won't be quite so high.

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NavarWynn

Yeah, one hopes... But considering that nearly 1/3 of people are still using XP now, I won't get my hopes to far up. Plus, by the time that happens, MS will likely as not have a new interface to shove down our throats.

One of the strengths of Windows (prior to 8) was that each upgrade had minimal changes in interface. It was a refinement of the prior version. Sure, old people hate change, but to me, the worst part is the lost functionality of 8. Sigh, maybe I'm just getting old. And now that I'm running linux distros on my personal equipment, I see no reason to put up with it.

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Chad727

Looks like it's time to buy a few more Win7 licenses in the event that the motherboards crap out. I don't mind the Win8 interface but when you take content out of an OS and then try to sell it back to me I tend think that I'm getting screwed (and not in the way I enjoy).

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Granite

What content did they take out and try to sell back to you?

Oh...wait...you are talking about Windows Media Center, right? Yeah, they did take that out. Too bad you didn't get Win8 when it was released...they gave it back for free then. Now you got to pay for it. Not that I would...I've chosen not to use that program. Too many others out there that does the same stuff...better.

Is there any other content that got taken out that you just can't live without?

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Chad727

Besides Aero? Besides gadgets? Besides the start menu? No, nothing I can think of. And while you're at it name the completely free program that I can record OTA broadcasts with then move them to my NAS where my wife and I can watch them from any PC in the house. Then again, it's besides the point. My point was that value was taken away, the resold back at an arbitrary price. That point, sadly, was lost on you obviously.

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Orlbuckeye

and have since not recommended in Windows 7 because of the security risk. Aero was ice to look at but serves no purpose except visual and hinders performance. The start menu is somethings I never used because I like shortcut to click on and not have to search other folders and apps.

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Granite

Huh?? MS is selling Aero, gadgets and the start menu as add-ons? That's a new one on me. You got a link about Aero? I liked that, my computer definitely has the resources to handle it and, if it doesn't cost too much, I might pay to get that back.

Anyway, like I said...this kind of thing happens all the time from many companies. Heck, maybe MS decided you getting away with them footing the licensing fees had gone on for long enough. Shrug...if you want to play, you got to pay.

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maverick knight

LOL

When I read this comment I realized that I bought Win8 when it was released and I have access to WMC. I just started installing my free WMC. This is how much I missed it.

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The Mac

There are no other options for MOCUR (Cable Card)

its WMC or nothing.

If all you want if ClearQam, ATSC, and web based content, then sure there are lots of options.

But not if you want to DVR cable and maintain control of the content.

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Chad727

Which is EXACTLY what I use mine for. So UP YOURS Win8! Pay for shit I already got for free? Piss off....

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spectrex

hmm I searched for MOCUR and get Centon which makes a new card that does work with windows 8
The Quick Installation Guide for the Ceton InfiniTV 6 ETH provides a 2-page abbreviated summary for the installation with Windows 7 or Windows 8 Pro with Media Center.

The InfiniTV 4 however does not ... seems like they want you to upgrade your hardware?

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The Mac

i own both ceton cards (the 4 and the 6) There is also Silicon Dust, and Hauppage for MOCUR.

you MUST have wmc to use ReadyPlay which is the ONLY DRM cablelabs accepts. Without certification by cablelabs you dont get the encryption keys, and cablecard wont work.

its not the OS, both win7 and Win8 runs WMC fine and is fully compatible with all the available hardware on the market right now..

but you MUST have WMC. Cable labs will not accept any other software, especially open-source.

The point was with win8 you have to buy WMC, win7 you dont.

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Granite

Yeah...that sucks...maybe a talk with that card producer would do the trick.

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The Mac

Its not the card producer, its cablelabs.

Cablelabs is the governing body that oversees cablecard implementation.

You must be certified by them (both hardware and software) before you are allowed to use cablecard. It takes years, and hundred of thousands of dollars to get it, and y ou encryption has to be locked down tighter than Derek Jeeter's ass at a drag show, or they will tell you to take a long walk off a short pier.

One requirement is you must observe all copy-protect flags on content as well as the head-end encryption, and encryption must be protected end to end through protected path.

Ms playready is the only drm currently certified so assuming your hardware passes certification, playready is the only choice. And only wmc uses it, as it would have to be receritified to work with anything else, plus licencing fees to MS, and all those free options wont make the cut.

Even if you spent the time and the money, and got certified, if you try to pull a fast one, they would just blacklist your public keys, and your screwed.

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CaptainFabulous

Well they did give it away for free for a time, but yeah, I don't really understand why they removed it to sell as an add-on. Kinda silly.

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Chad727

Well I'll be damned. Logic CAN be used on the internet! I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. It's been so long......

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The Mac

There was a rumor floating around that they were abandoning wmc, and there was a lot of backlash from the HTPC commiunity.

This might be their way to monetize it for further development.

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jbitzer

Oh, so because you don't use MCE it's an ok business practice.

You cheerleaders get more pathetic with every post.

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Granite

It not any worse of a business practice than any other software developer that let's people use their software for free for a certain period of time...then cuts them off if they don't pay. But I wasn't even referring to that in my post. I don't really care if they do that. Like I said, there are other, better applications to be used.

btw, why did my post prompt you to insult me?

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Chad727

Two wrongs don't make a right. BOTH practices suck. It's about value being taken away. I don't care about the interface controversy or any of the media hype surrounding Win8. My point is that I had things in Win7 that I liked and they were taken away in Win8. And THAT'S what I have a problem with. I imagine you must have quite the stash of disposable income to not care when value is being taken away from you because I don't!

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Granite

That's life. Does it piss you off when the grocery store takes away that near freebie pricing and starts charging full price?

shrug...

In any case, it sounds like you have a few options: Piss and moan at MS, piss and moan at whomever is responsible for the licensing fees, pay up to MS if you are using Win8, don't worry about it if you are not using Win8...or continue pissing and moaning here on MPC.

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Carlidan

It's a knee jerk reaction from the usual guys who have to post they hate win8 , and that they are moving to linux people.

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Neufeldt2002

Seen plenty of the same from those that love Win 8, it's not a one way street.