Microsoft Pushing Users To Adopt Windows 8 Over Windows 7

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foghat

well im switching to linux...no problem there. if you dont like what MS is doing follow my lead. money talks. buy a mac or buy a linux installed system or petition computer manufacturers to carry them.
comments and negative ratings are ok but if you want it to stop you must put it down

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GuruAid-CS

It's understandable that most Windows 7 users will find it hard to adopt Windows 8 due to the new User Interface which can be confusing to new and experienced users alike. They didn't even provide users with the option to get the Start button back until they rolled out Windows 8.1. Maybe Microsoft should have delayed the end of sales a little bit, or even continued to offer Windows 7 along with the newer Operating Systems and let the user decide, rather than decide on the user's behalf.

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foghat

i dont like windows 8 because:

• they took a good thing and changed it instead of made it a great thing or doing SOMETHING ELSE. two good things > 1 good thing duh
• it is not the right kind of program for an OS. it is more like a rubicks cube that helps you sort your bloatware or some kind of retarded flash game as opposed to an operating system it is about the programs

• customization is down
• UI is different WHY!?!?!? was the start menu inconvenient or confusing? they just added color and more animation!
• they broke up the system tools
• the software is form over function more than usual
• present-day app stores and DRM are evil crap
• it's Microsoft's equivalent of an app-store
• they keep doing the search for a solution thing Has anyone ever received a worthwhile solution?
i dont have time to go into it just look it up and see what people say on THE OTHER END. those are some real major complaints that should not EVER exist

• ill make a graphic and put it on my site hqgraphicdesign.com later
im doing a google autocomplete + screenshot for every complete for windows 8 is a..., windows 8 is b... and so on

the results are of course an accurate slice of public opinion. probably should have got an android. im tired of hearing people tell my why i dont like windows 8...that is exactly what microsoft is doing. It is decidedly a crappy concept from start to finish and they have lost my business after they end support for 7
the reason i say "anymore" is how they are going right up against their own users with their greedy and stubborn persistence. F off microsoft im goin to android or linux. i think ill donate the linux project some money every week microsoft keeps doing this. i encourage you to NEVER STOP voicing your criticism. IT IS why companies do what we want. when you cave in like some, a selfish and evil move goes unchecked.
Lets not forget the largely unspoken fact that windows has a veritable software monopoly still. it is for all intents and purposes a monopoly and just technically not so.
If there is one type of industry most detrimented by big players and monopolistic behavior it is computers(like ignoring the users and insisting they are wrong EVER)
Worse yet it buddies up with non user serviceable machine manufacturers to really get you at both ends.

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bensen408

The biggest reason why we haven't moved to Win8 is because of the learning curve. As an IT Professional I'm used to change with each new revision of whatever package.

But in my environment, where the majority of staff did not grow up with computers and struggle enough with Windows7 and with an iPad, the learning curve of Windows8 is just insane. You're going to ask a bunch of ladies in the 50's-70's to learn a whole new way of doing something? And ask your IT staff to retrain them and follow up and retrain again and follow up again.... That's just nuts.

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Quantum PC Support

Most of the professionals are using windows 7 as OS. Because it is far more user friendly than windows 8 or 8.1. Actually MS is facing trouble to provide support for so many versions of windows. So the want to converse there OS version to 1 or 2. If they become successful about doing this it will be a great achievement but problem for common users. They already lifted support for windows xp which is most popular OS among professionals. Windows is updating windows 8.1 which will be available from 8th April 2014. They are trying to make windows 8.1 popular among users. http://www.slideshare.net/QuantumPCSupport/windows-81-update-features

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sirhawkeye64

This is going to be a real problem for businesses as mentioned above. I think they need to at least give Windows 7 a total of 10 years of support (or until 2019). Windows 7 is the most stable OS since WinXP, and Windows 8 is still not compatible for some software used by businesses, not to mention it's a new learning curve for people.

I'm slowly getting to accept it, but my main computer is still a Windows 7 system, and will be for at least the next year. What's probably going to happen is home users will either move to Macs or go to Linux if they get fed up at Microsoft forcing them to do things (like upgrade).

Once MS actually brings back the true Start menu, I will never be happy with Windows 8. Or can they at least make it so you can disable the Tiles in Modern UI? So maybe when you press the Start key or use the partial start menu that was bought back in 8.1, to bring up a list of programs rather than the tiles? That and why can't we just boot directly to the Desktop after logging in?

These are the two biggest problems I have with Windows 8. I can get over the fact they moved everything around (control panel, etc).

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livebriand

I'm running 8.1 on one machine and 7 on the other (soon to be replaced with a new 8.1 machine). I'm happy enough with it, but I still maintain that the modern UI adds very little (if anything) for the average user.

A few other things: The all apps menu is a mess (dumps everything past the first level together), device drivers can't be stopped from downloading in the process like in 7 (which means my Logitech mouse/keyboard set gets to download some unnecessary crap that sits in startup but does nothing), and you can't see or remove saved wifi networks without going to the command line and using some netsh wlan commands. (Yes, seriously - I was surprised when I found this.)

As it is though, it's enough of a hassle that I won't recommend it to the average user or suggest deploying it at school unless Start8 or Classic Shell is installed and all the file extensions have been changed beforehand.

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hornfire3

Sorry, but I can't do this. I can adopt Windows 8 and Windows 7 equally, but the flaw about Win8 is really more than just interface. Just like what Maxeeemum stressed over and over again in his anti-Windows8 rant, it's this retarded path that M$ is taking: to promote Windows Phone 8 to everyone, to ensure everyone ends up using Touch aka Surface. Worse, M$ is trying to copy what Apple's doing, starting with the Windows App Store. M$ also wants everyone to use the Cloud, but with the recent news about the NSA, I guess more people just won't trust the cloud anymore.

In conclusion, it's not really working.

Oh, and am I glad I didn't read the title as "M$ forces users to upgrade Windows 7 to Windows 8." i have a laptop which ran Vista, but I upgraded to Windows 7. I would upgrade to 8, but my laptop's old hardware won't support it. So I've been using Windows 7 since it came out, but I'm happy with it.

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Jinx67

My dislike does not come from learning the new interface, that took all of 5 minutes and several WTH's but I got it. It is a clean interface once your familiar with it.

My angst follows.
Shadow copy "gone" this means nothing to the average end user, but I liked the ability to rollback in a pinch.

Hardware compatibility: Your mileage may vary my experience with 8 and dual 4850's in crossfire could only be likened to two cats tossed in a burlap sack hung from a branch and afterwords igniting cherry bombs underneath it, while spraying the bag with a firehose and blaring the Jonas Brothers on repeat. "in short completely unamusing and painful to watch".

No matter what steps were taken 8 always tossed in the default MS driver really cheesing me off towards the end of my wonder filled relationship with it. Both cards btw still alive and kicking in zen running on Windows 7.

Vague error messages the stop screen of 8 contain very little useful information regarding whats causing the underlying issue at hand. see the before mentioned driver issue where the stops screens although a new and lovely shade of blue offered ZERO info as to exactly what was going on. Or for that matter why it was rolling back "oops no shadow copy so completely decimating and overwriting" the signed Windows 8 ATI drivers.

Issues with Windows update: Again my personal experience from the standpoint of a fresh Win 8 pro to 8.1 install took "no joke here" a 100mb Fixit patch just to make windows update function correctly. Followed by just under 1.2 gb of updates to get to the point of downloading the 3.5 GB 8.1 patch. Hope your not on a DSL connection in a suburb during a storm for that one.

Codecs and Media Center: Another no biggie to the casual end user but when you run 3X Hauppage dual ATSC/QAM tuners on your PVR media server it becomes a big deal when the upgrade path is just under $200 for something that used to be integral to the OS in all versions above starter. And on top of it all the inability to run MC at startup on Win 8 and the removal of the guide for scheduling recordings killed it for me entirely for use on my media server.

I also am one of the unfortunate souls who has chosen to run multiple WAP's on my jail broken router each with it's own unique rules and restrictions. Why would Windows toss me back to the DOS age having to either run netsh/ via cmd, or buying connectify just to have the GUI ability to switch between access points and local Ad Hoc.

So for gaming the basics and whatnot and for those with newer cards that want the latest DX support or tablet users. I'm sure it's a fine OS, but unfortunately they missed hitting the nail on the head by approximately just shy of a hemisphere at least in my perspective.

Personally I found my 4 week stint with Windows 8 was a lot like a case of the Shingles 1 week of oh this is different looking and somewhat concerning, followed by three weeks of searing pain and uncontrollable irritation.

I will never again post in a Windows 8 article as I feel I,ve covered every base imaginable.

Good Day.. Windows has killed my inner child with fire and magnets.

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The Mac

no guide for WMC? thats news...

wtf, how useful is that?

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mywonderapple

Going to be honest I absolutely despised Windows 8, I was one of the win8 haters when it first came out. I tried it a few times and still hated it. But I installed 8.1 on my home computer recently and have been using it for a little over two weeks, and honestly I can say that it's not all that bad... Sure it takes some getting used to but I'm pretty much as quick at navigating and finding things as I was in windows 7. Anyone who still is on the win8 hate bandwagon I encourage you to give win8.1 a try.

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AzMonguse

I tried 8 for a while and found it to be garbage - playing an on-line game it caused the video drivers to crash every 1-3 min's non-stop and yest they were win8 drivers. If what I read about 9 holds up to be true then I may go over to it, but 8 will never be on any of my machines again ever.

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maxeeemum

Yep! Tried 8.1 Preview and it's just a minor marketing tweak. Added a Start button??? Can set it to boot to desktop??? Of course M$ had to add more confusion like "This PC".

More fail from M$! More crap they put out to say they fixed W8. 8 is still 8 and will always be 8! Windows 7 is still far far superior (like 25 times)!

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logicmaster2003

I've been using linux since 2006 pretty much for EVERYTHING except for HI QUALITY PC GAMINGS (think Farcry2, Farcry3, Arma2/3, etc).

I hope Steampowered.com would hurry up and get its steamOS perfected and adapt to the high-end video cards so I can just ditch Microsoft.

BUT for work, we still have to use windows (PLC programming softwares, etc that requires windowsOS and serial port, etc). Maybe these engineering software could run using Wine efficiently but I doubt it.

Anyhoo.. ditch Microsoft and lets all go back to DRDOS6 ! :)

In my humble opinion, Windows8 caters more to couch potato users, or those who only use computer to listen to hip music, watch videos, surf the internet and thats about it (teens and pre-teens). Microsoft seems to be only want to cater to them (Microsoft = pedo).

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legionera

If windows in title then act ferociously and repeat your statement from a similar windows article one week ago. It's like in waves. Glad at least to see that more people are joining in maxpc to comment.

Win 8.1 is not for everyone. I can hardly recommend it to people who have had difficulties with computers overall, but it also depends how you set it up and what you tell the customer.

While Metro appeals exactly to that kind of customers, I am not confident that it is mature enough to deliver full and satisfying productivity. Having it on the background of the desktop experience, it seems confusing and it closely resembles a pc with a vm machine that can't talk to each other

This applies only for people who have difficulties with computers overall, not everyone.

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hiho

I bought one of the first laptops with win 8 on it. had a horrid experience and ended up installing win 7 over it. love win 7, hate win 8.

then this laptop was stolen and had to get another with win 8 one it and right away got win 7 installed. love win 7.

plus much of my old software that I bought ($$$) did not work on win 8 but works on win 7. dunno why, but I get things happen that way.

Next computer I buy I will try with Linux. I am so sick of Microslop screwing me. Have they no respect for the lowly consumer?

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Brian99

I don't mean to be a hater, but I just couldn't get Win8 to grow on me. I gave it a fair shot and tried to stick it out, but man, I hated it. I know you can boot to desktop with 8.1 but its not the same, and Metro is an extra layer in the OS that I just don't want. Not looking forward to the day I am forced to upgrade.

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dukki7

I worked for a contract company that provides OS migration services to businesses. Due to the scheduled killing of XP, we had been booked solid with businesses looking to upgrade. We dealt with major public utilities and businesses with 2000 workstations or greater.

I probably presided over 20,000 workstation OS migrations over the last 24 months. You know how many were migrated from XP to 8? Zero. Not one single business wanted or wants 8, period.

This architecture-wide OS migration can easily cost well over a hundred thousand dollars or beyond. None of these businesses will be upgrading again until Windows 9 or 10. They've already blown this decades update budget on 7.

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Orlbuckeye

I'm in software administration and i was tasked to contact my software vendors and ask about compatibility with Windows 7 and Windows 8. Most companies said they have lots of people moving to Windows 8. Even then companies that don't have their stamp of approval. My company which has over 250 installed application have been testing Windows 7 for like 5 years and we will be going to Windows 7 (licensed)images on windows 8 licensed machines (2500 pc's).

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praack

win 8 is the wrong direction- sorry i know about shortcuts, add ons that can give me look and feel, the ability to remove the tiles etc.

the fact is the os was a frankenstein from the beginning and only really appeals to the power user- so great - you guys are power users

the majority of people are not

let's hope win 9 is a better os , and win 7 will be around a bit longer as enterprise will be using it for quite a long time

as for home- you will still be able to buy it on the internet

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Vano

It's the other way around. For tech savvy people W8 is nothing but castrated W7 with less customizations and options.
For majority users hover, less features is less confusing therefor more appealing.

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Granite

Wait...Win8 only really appeals to the power user? Isn't that the opposite of what most Winhaters say?

I agree that Win7 will be around for a long time to come and I think that's a good thing. Choice is always good, in my opinion.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html

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fung0

Microsoft has reached an unfortunate point where its strongest competition comes from its own previous products. Let's hope Nadella (with Gates' help) is wise enough to get users looking forward again, instead of backward.

Back in the day, Gates would have read the numbers, realized that Microsoft was ignoring a huge market, and swiftly released a cheap, stripped-down version of Windows 7 that could be used to easily upgrade aging XP systems.

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CaptainFabulous

Like he did Windows ME?

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maxeeemum

Looks like Microsoft is still trying to make friends with the PC community again (LOL!). M$ just reeks of desperation lately! Not looking good M$!!!! But don’t worry Windows 7 will continue to dominate for at least another 5 years or more and maybe Windows 9 will eventually surpass XP for number 2 used Oses. Win8 never will!

Some of the comments here that defend Win8 are just hilarious. Just ignore the facts! The big advertising campaign called Windows 8 is not working. Convergence??? Not selling! So how’s WP8 doing? Surface? Even Xbone? Oh yeah W8?

Lets have a “baaa” for the sheep! Baaaa! baaa! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8fp8ZcYdG4

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kixofmyg0t

I have no problems with 8. It's my daily driver for my PC.

Over the weekend I was forced to use my wife's PC(for Android related tasks) which is still running windows 7. I couldn't believe how much harder 7 was to use once you're used to 8.

Going back to 7 is a bit frustrating, I miss the shortcuts from 8.

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dbqfan

Microsoft will never force me to use Win8. I absolutely hate it and in fact I just purchased a new Lenovo W530 notebook with Win7 installed. If Win9 or whatever they call it is just as bad as Win8 then when I am no longer able to use Win7 I will look into Linux or some other operation system. My software will not run on an Apple plus Apple is just as bad as Microsoft. I just can not believe how bad Microsoft screwed up with Win8. I do not need a touch screen on my PC and Metro sucks. Microsoft is becoming more like Apple every day.

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Ghost XFX

Looks like it's time for Linux to take over.

MS is so full of themselves, they're basically a microcosm of Ballmer's Ego. You can't pick and choose what OS wins out. Windows 8 sucks. It's obvious what the computing world feel is true.

What's worse, W8 has been out since April of 2012. It's already time to pull the plug on that crappy ass OS. Give the consumers what they want!

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Xenux

As someone who has used linux as a primary OS for quite some time I've (somewhat) recently conceded and switched back to Windows 7. Linux isn't going to be ready as a viable mainstream desktop option for quite along time if ever. This article goes into detail on what is holding Linux back.

http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html

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PCLinuxguy

Other than on the desktop front, you do realize Linux and Unix power pretty much everything else from coffee makers and slow cooker/crockpots all the way to servers and supercomputers right? Linux has already taken over, it's just been quietly doing so for a long time.

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CaptainFabulous

"Other than on the desktop front". Well there ya go.

Why do I care what OS powers my fridge, microwave, or GPS? I don't. This isn't MaximumCrapolaRunningOnAFreeOS, it's MaximumPC. And Linux is never going to be a dominant player on PCs.

I am well aware of the penetration of Unix, Linux, and all its variants in everything from servers to our cellphones. But not on the PC. That is simply never going to happen.

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Orlbuckeye

I'm only buying a microwave or a fridge with a authentic Windows 8 sticker on it. ROFL

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PCLinuxguy

Then you also realize my reply initially was aimed at GhostXFX when it came to his "now is the time for Linux to take over" comment. I was merely pointing out that it already has. Nice to see you're paying attention enough to rant, but not about where the conversation was aimed to.

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CaptainFabulous

Oh I understood. I'm merely pointing out that Linux/UNIX's "domination" in appliances and servers doesn't mean it's ever going to be dominant as a desktop OS, and that is, after all, what we talk about here at MaximumPC.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Linux, it's just never going to be the mainstream OS that some hope for.

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PCLinuxguy

Gotcha. While I support Linux and Unix, it seems that by design it wasn't meant to compete, which is why it's a pipe dream. Sure, "nerds" (like myself) run it as a daily driver and do well with it, but as a whole it just can't reach out of the hole it's in due to many factors. I'd love to see it as a viable system, but the closest it will ever be is in the form of Apple's OS X (since about 10.5).

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CaptainFabulous

Ultimately I think it's a money problem. The only company to take it seriously and invest wads of cash into it is Apple, and even OS X is a highly bastardized version of Linux that is a beast all unto its own. But let's not also forget Apple's footprint in the desktop arena is teeny weeny.

When a company steps up and develops a distro that's completely user-friendly for even grandma, can seamlessly run Windows apps with ease, and can convince major manufacturers like Dell, HP, Acer, Samsung, etc. to offer it as a lower-cost option to Windows on new machines, that's when it *might* stand a chance of gaining any sort of market penetration. But the chances of any of this are laughably miniscule. None of the companies making Linux distros have that kind of cash or clout. And since MS practically gives away the OS to manufacturers they would literally have to give away their Linux alternative for free, begging the question: where is their revenue stream going to come from?

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Orlbuckeye

The problem with Linux is this article: the 50 best Linux distros

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/best-linux-distro-five-we-recommend-1090058

How does one choose between 50?

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Renegade Knight

Linux Ubuntu in particular lost me with the Unity desktop. I've never gotten used too it.

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PCLinuxguy

I'm a fan of Unity, Gnome 3/Shell, and KDE as my top DEs. Though for the Gnome 2.x fans, I find XFCE is a better alternative than Mate or Cinnamon. Not to say those are bad, but XFCE has been getting better.

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CaptainFabulous

Don't hold your breath. Linux will NEVER be a dominant OS. Just not gonna happen.

Once Windows 7 is no longer for sale, or an option when buying a new PC, people will simply learn to use Windows 8 or 9. It's on my laptop, it works just fine with Classic Shell, and I still use Windows 7 on my desktop because I have no compelling reason to upgrade it. I also have a machine with Vista, and half a dozen more with XP, none of which are going to ever get upgraded because it's simply not worth the expense.

Apple does this all the time and no one bitches about it. Time and progress march on.

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rala7ir

Microsoft already lost, along with the entire desktop PC as sales continue to decline in a slow and steady pitch. So will the the sales for MS Windows. And windows has no chance in the mobile market as "Linux" (Android) has already taken over the world.

So keep hanging on to those XP machines -- just don't connect the to the Internet ;^)

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The Mac

Widnows 9 will be RTM in october (hopefully) so well see if MS learned their lesson.

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Granite

I don't know exactly what "lesson" you want MS to have learned by the time Win9 comes out, but you can be assured it will look more like Win8 than it'll look like Win7.

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Orlbuckeye

No Metro is here to stay. It will be more desktop integrated with Metro.

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The Mac

Thats fine, as long as i get my start menu back, and can disable metro ill be happy.

3rd party solutions are fine and all, but id rather have it native.

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Granite

Ahhh...

Well, as someone else said, don't hold your breath. MS has already said they want to connect devices. The way they are going to do that is through the apps in the Start Screen. So that won't be going away. And I really don't think you'll get that old Win7-style start button back, either.

I'd say Win9 won't do a thing for you.

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macmooda

Windows 9 might be the thing that cures all the issues. I don't know when Windows 9 is supposed to launch but in mid 2015 Microsoft is realeasing the Threshold update that is supposed to bring back the old start button and menu to windows if you want it. It will be an optional thing. It is also supposed to let you run metro apps in windows on the desktop. So as for getting used to the new system and it not going away, that may not be completely true. If this all holds up. http://www.maximumpc.com/start_menu_make_glorious_return_upcoming_windows_threshold_update2013

Thanks.

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Granite

Well, I've never been much for rumors...no matter who repeats them. I'll just wait and see. Who knows...maybe y'all WILL get that dumb Start Menu back. Wouldn't it be funny, though, if it looked like the one MPC pictured in that article? LOL!!

But no big deal. MS will just be screwing those companies that have made those neat little add-on programs to give people their start menu.

Myself? I've never needed it and I don't miss it. If it comes back, I won't use it.

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macmooda

It actually would be really funny!! Now I kinda want to see that happen. :-)You are absolutely right though, we will see what happens with it.