Microsoft Offers Tips to Tear Your Family and Friends Away from Windows XP

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wrldqueeek

Well darn,

what am I supposed to do with this Pentium II 400Mhz system with 128MB of RAM and a 10 Gig HDD? :P (If microsoft hadn't kept pushing back the EOL deadline this would have been a real question, I just scrapped that PC a year ago, although it had 384 MB of RAM)

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llmoore

My laptop just died and I purchased a new one which came with Windows 8. In three days I have not been able to get it registered and it so incomplete I can not believe I have to download what was standard software on previous version of Windows. I will be contacting the manufacture to upgrade to Windows 7 and hope my older software will work.

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Random

Maybe these stubborn XP users weren't invited to the Windows Launch Parties?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cX4t5-YpHQ

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maxeeemum

I have two older PCs running XP and I am not worried in the least about end of support. XP is or was M$ best OS as far as user configuration. I thought it worked great and never had any major problems with it. I know there are security issues and the Vista based OSes are more secure. But ............

If you are using XP it will still work on April 9th. It will still work on April 9, 2015 too. You just need to have a good security suite (AV & firewall). And it's possible since so many still use it that M$ will still have to support it.

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Xenite

Give them a copy of Windows 7 problem solved.

Give them a copy of Windows 8 and prepare for awkward Holiday meals.

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Ghost XFX

... Like Fruitcake AuGratin.

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Markitzero

I still have Windows XP on my Main Laptops because they can't install Windows 7. My Dell Latitude D630 because it has a Intel GMA and Windows 7 hates it and will not let me install it. My Alienware M9700 can't work with Windows 7 because of some of the drivers are custom.

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Wily_One

"Microsoft Offers Tips to Tear Away from Windows XP"

Here's a tip: install Linux Mint. ;)

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legionera

And then cover it in gasoline and watch it burn.

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maxeeemum

Yep! I have to agree! Linux Mint is my Linux distro of choice. Super easy to set up and use even for a noobie. I would set up a dual boot with XP. I'd use Mint to browse the web and still have XP to do stuff you're familiar with off line (if you're worried about lack of support). I'd go with Linux Mint 13 LTS with MATE (32 bit) for older computers.

http://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=103

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legionera

Can a noob figure out the keyboard freeze after sleep on some laptop series?

Can a noob figure out how to install drivers for the printers/scanners/cameras and what not out of the box?

Can a noob figure out how to use libre/open office?

Can a noob figure out how the updates work?

Put yourself in a noob's shoes. You will be facing a steeper learning curve to reach semi-satisfactory results with any Linux distro. Why not just get 8.1/7 and enjoy the room service??

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jbitzer

I just received a laptop from my mother loaded with ransomware for the last time.

She is seeming to get along fine with Mint. And I no longer want to kill myself every time she calls.

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maxeeemum

@jbitzer

It seems that legionera (Bobby Brown) has all kinds of problems with all OSes except Windows 8. The fix all is Win8! Sound familar! LOL!

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legionera

Never said that. If I get to make changes to it, then it isn't perfect. I am just experienced fixing the imperfections to make it suitable for the purposes one has. We all face the same issues and end up with different ways approaching them, just like others are more experienced with Linux distros and know how to fix the issues their own way.

Dunno how you reach to a different conclusion every time. This isn't the first time I am saying it.

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legionera

That's good luck. I did it with my parents. I could not find decent drivers for my mom's camera and printers, video card and half of the hardware. No scanning cuz no drivers. Skype's been in beta for over 8 years now. Libre and open office do not have good document formatting support. Mint resumes from sleep and the kb does not work. Youtube lags due to lack of video card drivers. The sound card could not run the mic for some magical reasons.

Main stuff that my parents use.

I got them 8.1 with chrome, adblock plus and better popup blocker. Made it to boot to the desktop (turned off the charms)and taught them that they could use the windows button to search for apps, just like before. Removed java and flash. Told them that internet is like real life and they need to be more skeptical - you won't trust random strangers when they tell you that you could make money easily,for example. I haven't heard any complains since then about lag or slowdowns, nothing about viruses and whatnot. But consider that my parents are more responsible and careful overall.

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jbitzer

That's interesting you mention the keyboard not working coming from sleep mode, because I have the exact same problem with my MS reclusa keyboard in Win 8. I have a working mouse, but my keyboard backlights will simply keep flashing with no input detected. And I'm using a KB made by the same company that makes the OS that can't figure it out.

I have to reboot to get my keyboard to work again roughly %50 of the time coming from sleep mode.

Mint detected my mother's old multifunction printer, I was actually surprised she took it home and plugged everything in and it worked, I told her beforehand I'd have to come by and finish the setup when she hooked everything up.

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legionera

The issue with the kb is with a vaio notebook in particular. I read that there is no solution about it. If I recall well, it was a kernel error that causes it (if that makes any sense).

My limited xp with MS input devices is not positive.
In your case... it feels like a sort of power management issue. Id' test the kb on another PC, test the USB ports if they resume after sleep other devides, and check the power settings in windows in Power MNGMT. At least you could find out what exactly is failing and see what you could do to fix it.

I have AIO with scanner, so I definitely need drivers to make all that work. Printing was fine if I recall well, but HP does not make linux drivers for the scanner part and the laser jet I had.

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jbitzer

I'm certain it's a power management issue. This KB is always having power problems. It has 2 usb ports that don't have enough juice to power a mouse. The crux of my argument is that this problem didn't happen in 7, only once I moved to 8, it shouldn't.

If you can't make your products work with your other products, you should get out of the business.

I need a new keyboard anyway, I just have better things to waste money on.

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vrmlbasic

I've tried to put Linux Mint onto my old netbook several times. No dice.

Tried to run it from my dual-OS Macbook and it broke the association between the windows partitions, necessitating a reinstall through Bootcamp.

Linux Mint blows.

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legionera

Dunno about you, I always hated XP. I hated Vista too but I had a lot more troubles with XP. The problem with it was that it needed too many programs to be installed on it in order to work decently. Out of those only 3/10 worked fine, other's return "Unknown error" or "Don't send" message.Oh, yes, and the wonderful "this folder can't be deleted because another user is using it". That was the enigma of all issues. How do you solve it? You install another program - unlocker. I don't even want to talk about updating the OS, it was taking me centuries to load.

Let's don't forget the DVD's with driver packs I had to, basically live with.

Or, how about the tons of codec packs that I needed to install to run a pure mp3.

I was very happy to get rid of it once W7 Came out. Even with Vista I had less problems.

So yeah, I am glad that time is over now. I may leave one as a printer server because sharing a printer is easier with XP; however, I'll never use one as my main pc.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Moving from XP to 8 is not an upgrade.

DEVICE DRIVERS

PERIPHERALS

There's more to it than bending over and accepting that stupid touch interface.

Is there ANYONE at Microsoft who isn't a total douche?

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dbqfan

I guess Win XP is my all time favorite Windows and I still have a notebook running Win XP. My new notebook and my desktop run Win7. I will keep what I have and unless Microsoft see the light I will not change. Win8 is a disaster and I do not want a tablet like system on my PC. Win8 will never see the light of day on my desktop. I wonder what Microsoft is trying to prove with Win8? It seems that so many companies wreck a good product with there so called "new version".

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Thanks for the tips Microsoft

I "upgraded" to Windows 8.1 but most of my XP applications no longer worked with Windows 8.1

So I took your advice and bought a new computer

It also did not fix the problem of my XP app's not working in Windows 8.1

Is there any way to make "Windows" compatible with "Windows" ?

Nevermind, I restored XP in 20 seconds and everything works again

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legionera

I can sense that you still enjoy listening to the "symphony" of the dot matrix printers in your home.

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Granite

You're using "XP apps"???

LOL!!!

Now, there's your problem right there.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

What are you? An experiment in Artificial Stupidity?

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Granite

LOL!!

Is that the best you can do? No wonder you like XP so much.

HaHaHa!!

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legionera

He is using amiga.

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w2ed

If they REALLY want people to drop XP, they have to OFFER something to which people won't get pissed off or frustrated with, and will actually WANT to use.

That means LISTENING to what the CUSTOMER wants, instead of shoving an interface that few actually like or appreciate. Resizable Icons and pretty decorations don't takeaway from the fact that, beyond entertainment, there is little that is useful about the "Modern UI" (which I am sticking with "Metro" because calling something that looks like it could have been done in a web browser 10 years ago "modern" is like calling a McDonald's Happy Meal "exotic gourmet food.")

You can blather on about how "awesome" your latest OS is, but if people are happy with what they have and aren't happy with what you're making you need to pay attention to them. Save the "Modern UI" for the Windows Media Center, and bring something people want and need to the table.

(And, for the record, I'm a regular user who went out of the way to buy 8.1 for all of my machines - I like the OS and have no problems with it on my own. I hate the complaining and helping people who don't "get it" - which, having done some programming and being back in college to study more computer stuff, is not something they should be doing.)

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RICHARD RIDDICK

my friend bought a new laptop with windows 8 on it and it wasnt more then 24 hours that she had me put windows 7 on it. i still use xp for gaming and everyday use and so do the rest of my friends.

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John Pombrio

Why not just leave XP on the computer? It's not like XP will be "turned off", it just won't get any more updates or fixes. About the worst that will happen is that someone will buy a printer or mouse than won't work with XP, a common issue already.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

This is why they want all of us on a subscription treadmill for their OS. Then, they can rake in cash and never have to improve anything.

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LatiosXT

A mouse that doesn't work with Windows XP is a mouse that should be avoided. :3

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LatiosXT

If Microsoft is worried security with Windows XP, then it's probably not going to matter in a few years anyway. It's decreasing market share makes it less attractive for hackers. And since major corporations have moved on to Windows 7, security is even less of a concern for end users.

I mean, most security concerns today isn't just opening tainted attachments or whatnot. It's ingrained in (hopefully) most people who go on the internet that you shouldn't be opening things from strangers. What's getting people these days is social engineering.

Granted, while I still believe Windows XP has horrible security, security concerns have moved on from what Windows XP is horrible at protecting.

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EKRboi

I have win8.1 installed on my main machine, though I only boot to 8 to play video games. I don't really mind it at all with classic shell installed. That said.. the comments section in the MS blog post is pretty funny IMO.. you would think MS would get the hint. At least start offering 7 again for those who refuse to go win8 route

People are crying like XP is going to disappear from their computer one day. If you want to keep running XP go for it. Use a reliable anti virus, firewall and hope for the best.

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zanzibar

Why would I want to piss off my family and friends by "helping" them install Windows 8? That's not "helping" them. I still LIKE these people you know. Linux Mint DE.

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jtrpop

"They will not be able to keep any files, settings, or applications when upgrading Windows XP" or "Get a new PC". Two terrible choices for a family member whose computer works fine for them. If MS wanted us to upgrade to 8 from XP so badly, they would have allowed us to keep all our applications, settings & files.

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devin3627

PRINTER COMPATIBILITY! printer companies purposely unsupport product drivers so you'll buy their new ones. they are the worst. after going to windows xp immediately from ME. FML!

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aarcane

A much better option is to upgrade to Windows 7. That said, one problem I ran into about 2 years ago still was that some Laptops especially don't have driver support for Windows 7, let alone 8.1. Driver support can be a major show stopper, especially for Laptops.

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Blues22475

"If that doesn't work out, LeBlanc's next tip is to "get a new PC," plain and simple as that."

If it only were so simple...

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strangelove9

The comments gathered under that unfortunate blog post must be quite stinging for M$ folks... But really, what did they expect?

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iheartpcs

Wouldn't a better idea be to continue supporting XP?

Oh wait, then MS wouldn't make any money from forcing people to buy new MS products.

I see what you did there MS.

This also explains why they don't care that people don't like/want windows 8...if we are forced to buy it, what does it matter what we think.

Well played, MS.

"Choices? We don't need no stinking choices!"

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Renegade Knight

I think it's fair to drop support for an old OS. I don't think it's fair to write into the code a sunset clause. I don't think MS did that.

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iheartpcs

Sure, stop supporting an OS when people stop using it.

1 in 3 PCs has win XP on it. That's not when you end support.

They are only doing it to force people to buy new PCs and get them in the locked down, app store environment of win 8.

I don't blame them, I just don't agree with it.

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Carlidan

It's like saying Ubuntu linux should still support 1.0 and Apple OS 1.0 should be still supported. Sooner or later, you have to upgrade to a newer OS. I know it's hard for you to accept. :/

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iheartpcs

That's some seriously flawed analogies you got there.

Is XP the first windows OS? No, so you fail once.

Are 30% of Apple users using OS 1.0 still? No, no one is. So you fail twice.

Is anybody using Linux 1.0? No again, so now you fail 3 times.

You're a huge failure. I know it's hard for you to accept.

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Carlidan

Actually my analogies are not flawed. The XP OS is almost 14 years old. So it's okay for Apple and Linux to do it because lesser people are using their outdated OS but it's evil for Mircosoft to do it. And you know that XP marketshare is going down every year. Sooo........ when should they stop supporting it? What is your magical number? Both win7 and win8 are going up.

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iheartpcs

Nothing worse than a loser in denial.

You want a magic number, failure?

How about when windows 8 passes XP?

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Carlidan

Loser? Okay... whatever makes you happy. If you don't want your feelings to get hurt because someone calls out your BS please don't post then. It makes you vindictive and childish. All I was posing a question to you.

Question was when should XP retire? I'm guessing your answer is until win8 surpasses XP. But XP successor is not Win8 but Win7. And win7 has 47 percent share which it has surpassed years ago. So why are you pinning it against win8.

Also as stated eariler XP share is falling. Which means everyone is updating their OSes to newer ones. And it's not like Mircosoft was a dick about it. They wanted to retire it in 2009 but decided to give people till 2014 which is long enough to upgrade. I would think that was a generous move. But guess not in your eyes.

Edited: just remember xp successor was not Win7 it was Vista. So that's two generations. And also Apples OS 9 and Ubuntu 11.0 , their previous last generation OSes ,ended their support on 2001 and 2013 respectively. And that's just their last generation OSes. And your giving Mircosoft heat for ending a OS that's two generations overdue.

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iheartpcs

One thing I have noticed about you leet PC guys is you are so out of touch with the average PC user.

You should get out of your basements and see how the other 99% use their PCs.