Microsoft Chief Satya Nadella Discuss "Post-Post PC Era"

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Morete

Ever been into a Microsoft store? Not one desktop tower PC in sight. They've banned them all. The best you're going to get is an All-In-One. The rest are laptops, tablets and smartphones. The Windows store won't even carry an Alienware laptop or similar. They won't carry a workstation laptop like the HP Z1 Workstation. All of this is a slap in the face to all OEMs that make desktops with Windows running on them. OEMs will remember this, and one day when OEMs find it more profitable to ditch Windows all together, it will be too late for Microsoft to turn their ship back from the point of no return. Not that Microsoft's upper management and major shareholders would care. They already have their golden parachutes and golden nest eggs anyway. But still...

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devin3627

microsoft is greatly confused....... kids ages 7-18 dont have jobs, have a ton of free time and they see how many people use their ipads and think that these are adults, just like every person who gets insulted on the internet assumes they are insulted by a grown adult. you idiots are all wrong about life and the anonymity of the internet. microsoft will listen to the annoying little kid on xbox live other the adult gamers who haved gamed since original xbox. they are commiting suicide like nintendo. going portable and gay and making bad decisions. if all the idiots knew at microsoft that over 50% of their f*cking merchandise was gifted... then they'd understand. people talk word-of-mouth. are they that dense in their little corporate confused minds why things aren't going how they wanted? they are blind in their own bullshit desperate attempt to make money on ideas. i almost wonder if the ideas are false fabrications of innovation.... microsoft needs to quit the crap.... nintendo already tried portable and that sucks for them and this will too. i hate playstation 4 and even they have their heads on straighter than microsoft and are probably scratching their heads. good luck that the xbox one will only have the advantage of 32mb esram on halo 5. no other damn game that is cross-platform will fully-utilize that es-ram.

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tetris42

I just hope we live long enough to hear Nadella talk about the "post-post-post PC era."

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Insula Gilliganis

"We're not big fans of the term "post PC era" because it implies that PCs are dead."

Paul and MaximumPC.. how about using the correct definition of "post PC era". "Post PC era" doesn't mean the complete death of traditional desktops.. but the switch to people using more mobile & portable PC-like devices and those becoming the center of each person's computing universe. Just as the horse & buggy took decades to completely disappear even after cars became common, desktop PCs will be around for a long time but most people will slowly be using desktops less and/or totally depending on them as mobile devices keep getting more powerful and obtain additional capabilities that desktops don't or can't have.

If sometime in the future MaximumPC becomes dominated with phones and tablets reviews, will have to change the magazine's name to "MaximumPostPC"!

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devin3627

f*ck ur god. this is depressing. how about post video-game era. we all carry bibles around, and f*ck your lord too.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick....

Horses and buggies don't constantly evolve. They stay the same, year after fucking year. Horses don't get faster as they age. Did you know that?

Your baby toys will never, ever match up to a good tower PC—not in a million years. Desktop PCs, unlike horses (in case you still can't follow the logic), get faster and more powerful every year. They will always be ahead of your petty little conveniences. Always. Forever.

Do you understand why movie theaters are still around? It's because you can't fit a 50-foot screen in your living room. And you never will.

Don't be so trite and limited with your thinking, even if it is what Master wants and your friends are challenged with.

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MrHasselblad

Actually horses are capable of getting faster as they age.

How many one or to year old horses enter races? A properly trained horse will continue to show improved track times well beyond the age of six years.

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vrmlbasic

I don't know as I'm under 60 and thus have precious little interest in horse racing lol. Like Buick, horse racing desperately needs to reinvent itself and market to a younger crowd before its core audience literally dies out.

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tetris42

This tired analogy again. It's disingenuous, because it implies portable devices are more capable than the PC. A better analogy would be toolboxes v. pocket knives. Pocket knives are cheaper and more common and can do some of the same things as a full tool set. Are we in a post-toolbox era?

"Post-PC era" has always been a douchy term. What's happening right now is PCs are in the process of stabilizing, since if all somebody does is watch cat videos, they don't need a normal PC. Naturally a lot of the media can only see things in term of infinite growth v. inevitable death, so "post-pc" keeps getting repeated over and over.

If mobile devices are ever going to REPLACE the PC for more than cat videos, they have to compete against the KEYBOARD. Show me mobile devices that can do everything as quickly as a PC with a full keyboard and I might actually see this argument as having merit.

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hornfire3

*sigh* here we go again. more bullshit from M$. I never use tablets unless it's for listening to musics on the go. there's only very few good swordfighting RPG games that I like to play on a tablet but that's about it. I'm not gonna waste my time on some kids game on a tablet.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Oh, snap. Here it comes....The carefully crafted reply without the nasty insults and name-calling they eventually realized were hurting marketing efforts:

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Granite

Shrug...

I've heard you can play Diablo 3 on a Surface Pro.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

LOL.

Does anyone still care about Diablo 3? I played that for one day.

I suppose someone out there might content themselves with playing it forever. Then again, there are people who think Flappy Bird is the shit. Surface must be intended for those sorts of people.

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Granite

Actually, the Surface is for those who want to play PC games on a tablet...along with a lot of other stuff that can be done on a PC.

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John Pombrio

Can you imagine doing an Excel spreadsheet on the Surface Pro with a rubber keyboard, trying to nail a little box with a stylus or worse your finger, and squinting at the little screen? How about writing computer code with nested levels out 7 or 8 levels which go right off the screen? Then compiling the code? Shoot, a store's cash register screen is bigger than any tablet screen and that is simply for listing grocery items.

So a big screen is better than a little screen. A regular keyboard is better than a small rubber chicklet keyboard or worse, a on screen keyboard. A mouse is better than a track pad. yes, you could dock your tablet into a device that attaches to all of these but you are still limited in sheer horsepower and graphics ability. A laptop is a much better option.

A NUC or a tablet has the ability to do a lot of stuff and is inexpensive. So does a chromebook. But a laptop is simply better than these and a desktop has no real limitations except for gaming and graphic or video rendering, reducing frustration level a lot. If you have a desk at home or the office, why not use a desktop? Use the tablet for what it was meant to do, entertain you when traveling and doing some light work or reading.

I bet 95% of folks who own a tablet also own a laptop or desktop. Just like most people who own a Mac also own a PC.

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dbqfan

No wonder MS is coming out with such crap as Win8. MS thinks everyone must use a tablet instead of a PC. Lets get this straight MS - a tablet is nothing more than a toy as compared with a PC or a notebook. I do not choose to use a tablet like operating system on my PC. I need a PC for my work not a tablet. Sure, I like tablets buts lets get something straight here - you can not do large scale accounting on a damn tablet. No wonder Win8 is so screwed up - the morons at MS think the PC is dead.

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Granite

I think you are letting your bias get in the way of your ability to understand what you read or think.

MS didn't say a thing about the PC being dead. They only, in effect, said that there is more to consumer and business computing than the PC and that they want to develop the ability of users to be able to use their programs across multiple devices. They believe THAT is where the future lies.

As far as your contention that Win8 is a "tablet like operating system", you couldn't be more wrong. Nuff said on that subject.

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Slug Jones

L O L. You are saying Windows 8 isnt a tablet inspired OS? You are either delusional, or willingly lying to yourself. Or are blind. I can give you a pass if you're blind.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Actually, he works for Microsoft. This is his sad little job: Trolling the Internet to spread the Steve Ballmer vision of a platform allowing Microsoft to print free money for all eternity with little to no intellectual investment.

In case you've not noticed, Microsoft has always been a bit short on intellect, which is why most of their tech is stolen from someone else.

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Granite

Go away, troll.

You wouldn't know an MS employee if he came up and slapped you upside the head.

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Granite

I'm guessing you've never used Win8 in desktop mode.

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Vano

I have and I agree with Slug Jones

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Granite

Okay...then you either characterize Win7 as having a tablet-inspired interface or you don't know what you are talking about. Or both.

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Ghost XFX

MS has some serious internal issues, when they can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that PCs exist for more than just simple minded browsing and gaming. If that was all there was to computing, PCs would have died long ago, with the mobile craze going on.

Unfortunately for them, PCs have only gotten stronger during this time. A mobile phone and laptop is little more than a supplement to the PC, not vice versa.

The PC Master Race will never be overtaken by the pitiful console peasants or the mobile thumb monkeys!

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maxeeemum

"We tend to like Lenovo's perspective on things, which is that we're living in a PC Plus world rather than a post PC era."

I like it! Well said!

As for Satya Nadella lets just say I had hope but it looking like Ballmer and Gates are still running the show!

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Chad727

Ugh, here we go again with this "Post-PC" bullshit. Different form factors all have their place in the world. If they didn't SELL, manufacturers wouldn't MAKE THEM. Steve Jobs made a great analogy regarding this topic during his D8 interview. Desktops and laptops aren't going anywhere.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

He has to say this bullshit, as Microsoft is desperately struggling to create a computing ecosystem they can have absolute control over, the idea being that said ecosystem grants the ability to print free money until the end of time.

I suppose that there are some idiots out there dumb enough to believe an Etch-A-Sketch can replace a decent PC. One of them will be along any moment to tell us all how his Surface can even make his morning coffee. He'll probably add something asinine about identical user experiences, as if it matters to anyone with half a brain.

Why having the number one operating system on the planet isn't enough is beyond all understanding. Maybe it's just too much work, updating it and all....Better instead to crap out an underpowered platform you can overcharge to use and never need to improve.

It's worked for Apple, after all.

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vrmlbasic

Are we sure that this man isn't Steve Ballmer in disguise?

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

It's one of his hand puppets. If you look closely at the photograph, you can see Baldy's hand up the guy's ass.

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Granite

I'm not surprised to hear this from MS. It goes right along with the direction they've taken when they released Win8.

They have changed their concern from strictly PC's to all digital devices. That's what their OS is for...that's what their apps are for. It doesn't mean people will stop using PC's, it only means that people, with the help of MS, will be able to have the same user experiences no matter what device they use.

Skype Translator will work just as well on your PC as it will on your phone.

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BloodDonor

What theyre facing now is an era where you dont have to replace your PC every 2 years...

For the average PC, adding extra ram (Especially if they are under 4GB and running 64bit windows), adding an SSD as the OS drive, is enough...

I went to a local store and all the PC's were all in ones... bugger that, when something breaks, you're screwed... Proprietary motherboard power plugs and PSU's (I'm looking at you ACER and HP) were bad enough

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MrHasselblad

It's because you are looking in a *local store*.

Go online shopping and easily discover that there are PC's (even laptops) that do offer NON PROPRIETARY parts, even user replaceable ones.

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John Pombrio

You will have to pull my 27 inch high res monitor, full sized mechanical keyboard, mouse, a tower with o/c Haswell, 32GB RAM, and a GTX 780 out of my cold dead hands.

I go to Brown University to visit my son and his computer lab is anything but post, post PC. Their desktops are not top of the line but are heavy duty enough to run what they need to and have multiple monitors. Anyone who is writing a paper or doing research in any curriculum are using at least a laptop. There are a few folks that take notes in lectures on a tablet but most bring in their laptops. These are the folks that will be running companies, starting businesses, teaching classes, and working at jobs. They all own tablets and smartphones but not for graduating from university.

tablets, chromebooks, smartphones, and post post PCs stuff are fun and can do a few things like entertain you. If you are working, these are just toys.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Amen.

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MrHasselblad

A bit of irony.

That Microsoft just recently comes out with a version of **OFFICE** for the iPad - the hardware being not much more than a toy.

So people go out in masses to purchase this new OFFICE product for their iPad. Just one major issue in the enforceable terms of service... One can NEVER use a Ipad version of OFFICE for any form of actual work.

Oops

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JosephColt

The ERA of the large traditional PC's are coming to an end whether you like it or not.

The Surface Pro 3 for example can do everything you need from a typical PC without difficultly thanks to solid state drives making mechanical hard drives more and more obsolete as they grow as am example. The only downside to the Surface Pro 3 is graphical power, but Intel is making leaps every generation in integrated performance, and Broadwell is supposed to be a 40% jump. We may even see the rise of external graphic cards soon.

Tablets, smartphones, and anything else like it can do what most people need, internet browsing, writing documents, checking email, communication, and so forth. They are NOT toys, they are multifunctional tools. The only people who will need anything more than mobile device in the future will people who need tons of power for actual work related jobs or hobbyists like extreme gamers.

Why have a typical PC when you can dock or set your Windows/Android/iOS tablet on a desk and use a mouse/keyboard/monitor/external bay/external graphics card with it, and then pick up your device and head out with it. The shift to mini-itx proves we are heading in that direction, the age of traditional PCs are soon to be dead in the coming years.

Your thinking is flawed. You are not seeing the future, only the present. The shift is occurring in front of our eyes. I cannot understand why someone would want to keep having giant computers anymore outside of the ability to customize. The market for typical desktop PCs will likely stay, but we will have very tiny mini-itx, and even smaller like the Intel NUC, take over.

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Fray

"Why have a typical PC when you can dock or set your Windows/Android/iOS tablet on a desk and use a mouse/keyboard/monitor/external bay/external graphics card with it, and then pick up your device and head out with it. The shift to mini-itx proves we are heading in that direction, the age of traditional PCs are soon to be dead in the coming years."

That sounds very much like a traditional PC – just more modular and easier to upgrade.

“I cannot understand why someone would want to keep having giant computers anymore outside of the ability to customize.”

Your future includes external keyboards, monitors, drive bays, and graphics cards. It sounds very similar to what we have now. Even the size of it all might not be so different.

The future drive bays will be smaller, but the monitors will keep getting bigger.

I'm looking forward to this future traditional PC spread out all over my desk that we must no longer call a traditional PC.

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JosephColt

True that it does sound like one, but people always think of large towers when it comes to traditional PC.

Yep, we will have options still, but we don't need massive towers anymore which is good in my opinion. We've been stuck on the form factor for to long.

I sure cannot wait to buy a 1TB+ for current mechanical drive prices.

The biggest change is just going to be replacing the main tower with a tablet form factor. Having large towers is becoming irrelevant ever year. The new traditional desktop in the future will offer more in terms of capabilities. I'm sure in another few years mini-itx will be standard unless you need SLI/Crossfire.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Your thinking is flawed. You are not seeing the past, only the present.

It was Microsoft that went out of it's way to kill the PC

Too bad we can't have a post Microsoft era

Do Linux Operating Systems work on any tablet without dealing with Microsoft's secure boot garbage?

Can we check our OS for backdoors if we wish to without signing a non-disclosure agreement?

Can we check the encryption sourcecode and replace the encryption algorithm with one of our own (a secure one) if we don't like the Bitlocker brand of NSA encryption?

Can we easily write protect Windows 7 or 8 like we can with Linux Live or XP + driveshield so we never get Gov't malware updates again in the future?

If you or I can stop ALL Gov't malware and any other malicious programs from destroying XP-SP2 without ANY Microsoft updates, with just a good firewall, driveshield and antivirus....
Why can't you do that with Windows 7 & 8?

I'm not saying it's ALL Microsoft's fault as the MS partners share much of the blame as well...

Can we get a portable hard drive case made in America with a write protect switch to prevent our precious data from being altered with trojans by a hostile Gov't or must we keep buying write protected cases from CHINA?
YES CHINA!
You Know, those evil Chinese hackers who are out to do no good with our data!
Why do the Evil Chinese help us protect our data with write protect switches on portable drive cases but American Corporations absolutely will NOT!

If you ever wonder how we got to the post PC era, it's because of people like you who either do not understand the real issues involved or because you are a Public Liar like Microsoft and it's partners

So which is it?

(It's not a trick question)

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JosephColt

Not even going to dignify a response outside of this to you. I have no desire to respond to some nut job who wants to bring politics into a discussion about the awesome future of technology.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Lap dog much?

There's nothing awesome about an Etch-A-Sketch. It's just a dumb toy for kids. The grown-ups know it's actually a pain in the ass to create anything worthwhile on it, so they don't even bother.

But some people just watch movies and dick around on Facebook all day. Maybe that's what you want for your employees, but I won't have mine doing it.

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JosephColt

Drawing stuff on a tablet? Actually a lot of artists do use tablets for stuff with Wacom pens on the Surfaces using Photoshop as an example.

Other uses can be note taking for students or business people, writing stuff when you are on a plane for hours and want to do work, and tons of other stuff. Surface Pros are a great example of useful tools.

I wouldn't say ipads or android tablets are all that useful as they are quite limited compared to full Windows tablets.

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vrmlbasic

Using a tablet to draw on a tablet?

That evokes imagery of Hank Hill using a smaller can of WD40 to open a larger can of WD40 so that he can use the larger can to help open a locked door, that is to say a ridiculously roundabout and redundant way of getting the job done.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Oh, I understand

You cannot respond, like Microsoft cannot respond, like the rest of the Industry cannot respond

We get it, you are not allowed to respond with anything of factual value
Only public ridicule and name calling is allowed but absolutely NO-Facts under any circumstances

Got it

Don't believe me?
Ask these simple questions to anyone at Microsoft or try getting someone at Maximum PC to get "factual" answers from anyone tied to Microsoft regarding these simple questions

1 If Windows is not a Spyware Platform, why can we not have the sourcecode?

2 If Windows is not a Spyware Platform, why must we sign a non-disclosure document to even see the sourcecode?

3 If Windows is not a Spyware Platform, why must we activate each copy and tie it to specific hardware with Unique Identifiers for each and every Component in our computers?

4 If Windows is not a Spyware Platform, why would you tie ANY specific encryption program directly into Windows when the encryption cannot be verified to be secure from back doors, key-logging, master keys or even check the actual quality of the encryption itself?

5. If Windows is not a Spyware Platform, then why is EVERYTHING not blocked from sending AND receiving data by the Windows Firewall by default?

6 If Windows is not a Spyware Platform, then why are end users not allowed to block ALL Microsoft components from accessing the Internet with the built in Firewall?

There is more, but for the sake of brevity, I'll ask just one more and this is a big one....

7 If Windows is not a Spyware Platform, then why does it hit every indicator of a spyware platform as can be seen from the questions above and the non-answers you get from Microsoft for each of the questions I listed or any related question

There is not one single indicator available that would tend to show that Windows is NOT a Spyware Platform

Not even calling me a nutjob would indicate such a thing!

I have proven that Windows 7 and 8 are Government Sponsored Spyware Platforms and I have done so with EVIDENCE on each occasion

Not only have you never once shown any EVIDENCE to counter my claims, but you "Choose" to stick your head in the sand and ignore the evidence, simply saying there is none

GOOD CALL, and that namecalling bit probably works on cops, your girlfriend and your boss too!
Give it a try, you obviously have nothing left to lose

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JosephColt

Really, I told you, I am not going to discuss shit that involves politics. This is not the time or place for that type of discussion. Stop typing out garbage, I didn't even read what you wasted 10 minutes writing. Political discussions bring out to much bad shit in people. You're a nut job because you want to start shit in the wrong place.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Politics?

What are you babbling on about politics for?

Stay on topic!

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JosephColt

*face palm*

You keep talking about governments, spying, and secrecy. Those have political undertones, and can lead into a uncanny hate filled debate. I don't care about that crap here. I am here to read interesting technology, and discuss it with others, not start some annoying debate about that stuff.

Besides, it doesn't matter. I work in a job that benefits me from that stuff you hate.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

"I am here to read about interesting technology, and discuss it with others, not start some annoying debate about that stuff."
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Fine,

I guess the Surface Pro 3 is pretty interesting technology as long as we don't talk about all the spyware it comes with, or the cost, or the Fisher Price Interface, or the inability to fix or replace anything inside, or the fact that in 10 more years the newest Microsoft Tablet will still have less computing power and graphics performance than the best PC's of TODAY!

But, from a purely technical perspective, I like the pretty colors too!

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John Pombrio

Wanted to add that tablet do have their uses at work. Fill out forms, take some notes, or use for carrying around flight plans for airlines.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Cannot argue that point. They have their uses. But they aren't PCs. They will never, ever measure up to what you can put in a full tower rig.

Claiming they will, so that customers will drink your Kool-Aid, reminds me of the bed of lies perpetrated in those late-night get-rich and get-beautiful-quick infomercials.