Microsoft is Bringing Back the Start Menu and Catering to Mouse and Keyboard Users

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Chad727

Now just stick Windows Media Center back in for free and I'm sold MS. I can forgive the loss of my beloved gadgets and Aero. Nice to see you guys started to cave in before it's too late.

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maxeeemum

So much for those claiming it's just the "extremely loud vocal minority" complaining about Windows 8!

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hornfire3

this start menu imo is signaling M$ is going (sort of) the right direction. however, I still do not like the idea of Metro mashed with the Start Menu. I got a better idea: how about merging the Charms Bar to the Start Menu instead? that'll be great.

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Philippe Lemay

It is a lot like Vista.

Yes it was terrible at the beginning, but by the end with all the patches and fixes they threw in it was almost the same as Windows 7. Hopefully the passage of time (and revisions) will have fixed Windows 8 in a similar way.

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jim hesse

I some how doubt it. Under Balmer's rule Microsoft dragged their heel in the most desperate way, for two years, to make sure that Windows 8 is excepted under their terms. Unless the new CEO has more consideration for what the majority wants and needs and turns things around then the companies attitude will be Windows 8's demise and it will go down as the worst mistake ever for Microsoft. (in my opinion)

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NavarWynn

This is no surprise. WIN8 has made few inroads to large corporate and industrial/scientific concerns. Frankly there is little to no advantage to it, and a LOT of downsides to the interface for larger companies. At least with this modification, it (hopefully) approaches the useability of WIN7.

Perhaps it surprises the folks at MS that those of us at work need a computer to do more than be a glorified porn/gaming box. I wonder what OS they are running in-house, you know, where their programmers work?

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Chad727

I work for a local government that serves over 96,000 residents and has a little over 550 machines (that I can see on our network, I'm sure police and fire have more that I can't). Care to guess what we transitioned to from XP? I'll give you a hint. It wasn't Vista and it wasn't Win 8. And not a single clerk in our office bitched about it. They all loved it. Then I showed them how to use gadgets. Now I know how Columbus felt...

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jim hesse

Good point!

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maxeeemum

So M$ is bringing back the start menu! From the pictures provided it looks like a "Metro Start Menu" LOL!

I found this comment on another website.

"How many M$ employees does it take to screw in a light bulb?

(hundreds of thousands and counting. They still have not figured out how.)"

I'll just sit back and laugh as M$ uses this tactic of inching back to sanity as they try to see what they can get away with. The goal being selling something most don't want!!! A "smartphone interface" and "Metro Apps"on a desktop PC.

They still don't get it!!!

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

No, you don't get it! When you do something stupid, you just have to call it innovation and ridicule everyone who doesn't want to jump aboard the crazy train!

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Chad727

But.... SOLID COLORS! FASTER! APPS! [now where the HELL did I put that cocaine]

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Daigtas

Finaly they get it. But i don't get it, they think that more than half of the users has touchscreen monitors when it is not? And also it's not efficient to use monitor as an input compared to mouse and keyboard. Anyways better later than never, i am glad that they return to classic desktop becouse i did tried to use metro and there was more anoying than handy. The taskbar is part of the traditional desktop so it had to come back. Microsoft team thought they can fors inovations to users, to say that is how it will be and not to think what users realy want. That is a baaaad decisions. Instead of letting to change only few parts of the system or removing options they shud keep it and make all the options available to user. Why everyone likes android more than iOS or Windows Phone? Becouse in android you have the power to change anything the way you like. Same here, everyone is looking to linux more becouse they are free and customizable as hell. So when Microsoft team finaly gets it it will be the key to success of any feuture OS from them implementing that logic. The main reason i use Windows system is the software compatability to linux system issues and lack of alternatives there. And as an casual gamer - games comes to linux slowly and it will be same as to a windows but it will be in feuture and i do play it now.

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eday_2010

That's a shame. It's a shame they are caving to the brain dead idiots and knuckle draggers who can't adapt to something new. They are dragging the rest of us down with them. I guess so-called power users aren't really power users if they cannot adapt and learn something new. They are more akin to Mac users.

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jim hesse

Wow! Don't you know that we live in a democratic society. If over 75% of the users feel that Windows 8 does not work for them and have legitimate reasons for their opinion then should you not respect that? Your resorting to name calling and rudeness shows that you are taking this all rather personally. Should everything evolve around innovation and advancing technology just because a few deem it as the highest priority? Why can't we agree to disagree and let the majority rule? With such demeaning and rude tactics I have to wonder if you don't work for Microsoft.

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blueaceofspades

Took the words right out of my mouth NavarWynn.

Win8 was such a catastrophe for people who actually use computers for "real" work and not just d*cking around with the OS. I'm an IT tech for several architectural and accounting firms and thank God we tested the Win8 OS first before the owners decided to invest everything in upgrades. You can't do jack sh*t in Win8 with CADD since the touchscreen doesn't give users the fine control needed for scaling and other details for them to complete there work. (OOPS I'm sorry your building came out like the leaning tower of Pisa, Win8 touchscreen didn't let me straighten the drawing)

And don't even get me started on the workflow issues of the Metro/Desktop interface in 8, all Win8 users I've dealt with had the same complaint how they could not easily access multiple files and do multi-screen docs properly because the the Metro interface keeps screwing things up, especially for Accountant and Finance workers. (OOPS I'm sorry your tax return was late, Win8 didn't let me compare your receipts and invoices in a timely manner)

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Don't your knees get sore?

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NavarWynn

LOL. They 'caved' to the folks that buy tens of thousands of licenses at a time. With this modification, they are hoping to actually make inroads to corporate buyers.

Or is it just that us 'brain dead idiots and knuckle draggers' who design and build the things you buy, the planes you fly (in), (the bicycle you ride?) require our computers to be more capable than a one trick pony, WIN8 neutered gaming/surfing/porn rig? Maybe you are a little jealous that my job requires that I have immediate access to thousands of pages of technical and materials specifications. Whether it's pulling up spec sheets on ICs, or doing a FEA that under X amount of torsional strain an aluminum crossmember won't snap (kind of important in a wing). Having a software package that allows me do LESS is not an option - and makes no sense!

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jim hesse

So true. Some people are so narrow minded that they refuse to consider the viewpoint of others as valid regardless of what the overwhelming majority thinks. There are many people who depend on Windows. Some of us are in the slow and steady while others are in the fast lane. Microsoft, and fellow users, needs to respect both sides without mudslinging. It's not us against them but rather us, the majority, needing to be heard by Microsft.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

None of this matters. Even if they removed Metro, returned the Start menu, fired Granite and the rest of their marketing team, I wouldn't buy 8 or any PC with 8 on it out of principle, alone.

Two years of constant patronizing and ridiculing of customers is supposed to be washed away by a single press release?

As evidenced by the vitriolic attacks on customers in comments attached to this article, nothing has really changed. Microsoft remains the same pack of arrogant assholes they always were.

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Granite

Of course, none of this matters to you, dude. It's never been about Win8 for you. You just don't like MS.

But, hey, it's nice of you to finally admit this to yourself and to everyone else.

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firefox91

I love how the video presents all of these things as if they were new innovations. News flash, they are all things that should have been there from the start.

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arcr2014

It's weird how some people talk as if people that don't like the "new interface" are people that don't like change!? what "change"? this wasn't change, this was complete destruction of something that works. metro is ugly and badly made (programmed).
and Microsoft talks as if the "people that use keyboard and mouse" were a few people, people that uses keyboard and mouse are 100% of the entire planet. everybory uses keyboard and mouse, we, just didn't want to lose the mouse and keyboard. and those who "switch" in favor of ms and touch screen monitors. 1-they are idiots, 2-they are super idiots.

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blueaceofspades

I would not go so far as say the Metro was badly made, but it was most definitely a clusterf*ck for desktop and laptop users. Instead of creating a separate OS for tablets and phones and desktops, MS decided to be lazy and just wrap everything into one and thinking it will slide with their majority of consumer and power users. Most people already have a hard enough time dealing with a computer in general and all of a sudden MS decides to introduce something as radical as touchscreen on a desktop of all places?! It's no wonder their Win8 sales was so abysmal. As a tech, I'm spending all my time now re-teaching people how to do the most simplest things in Win8 that was second nature in previous OS.

For me, whoever is in support of Metro and touchscreens on desktops is (a) in MS's pockets, (b) are kids who don't know any better and only getting on the bandwagon for the "cool" facotr, and (c) are people who are too lazy to bother with a keyboard and mouse.

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Granite

blueaceofspades, I'm not a tech and that's probably the reason I don't understand what you said about having to re-teach people how to do the simplest things...etc.

I mean, the simplest things that people did in a previous OS is still a simple thing in Win8. Sure...it might not be available in a metro app, but that simple thing is still available on the desktop. All it takes is to teach them how to push a single key...and there it is...the desktop.

What's so hard about that?

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blueaceofspades

I would not go so far as say the Metro was badly made, but it was most definitely a clusterf*ck for desktop and laptop users. Instead of creating a separate OS for tablets and phones and desktops, MS decided to be lazy and just wrap everything into one and thinking it will slide with their majority of consumer and power users. Most people already have a hard enough time dealing with a computer in general and all of a sudden MS decides to introduce something as radical as touchscreen on a desktop of all places?! It's no wonder their Win8 sales was so abysmal. As a tech, I'm spending all my time now re-teaching people how to do the most simplest things in Win8 that was second nature in previous OS.

For me, whoever is in support of Metro and touchscreens on desktops is (a) in MS's pockets, (b) are kids who don't know any better and only getting on the bandwagon for the "cool" facotr, and (c) are people who are too lazy to bother with a keyboard and mouse.

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eday_2010

The start menu is outdated and archaic. I realized this once I spent the 10 minutes it took to learn to properly use the start screen.

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Granite

Do you feel like somebody's picking on you? LOL!! You are soooo defensive.

Seriously, though, "this was complete destruction...". Don't you think this is just a bit of hyperbole? The fact is, nothing was "destroyed". Win7 was enhanced in Win8 and it has added content.

You may think metro is ugly...beauty is in the eye of the beholder, after all, but it is NOT badly made. It is actually well made and it works.

I didn't get the sense from the video that MS thinks of k/b users as being only a few people. In fact, if it were only a few people they would hardly have incentive to make the changes they've made.

In addition to all your misinformation and hyperbole, you end up your article by insulting people. I guess that's just your way of getting back at MS for making you feel so defensive.

Why don't you just admit that you don't want to change and leave it at that? You don't HAVE to go to Win8, after all. In actuality, your defensiveness is something you don't have to experience.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Why is this trolling MS git still on his viral marketing campaign? Insulting your customers is supposed to drive up sales?

Keep it up, dumbass.

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whiznot

If Arcr2014 was being defensive I'd hate to be the subject of one of his attacks. Windows 8.x is an ugly, convoluted disaster. Only morons want to fondle their monitors.

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John Pombrio

Metro can (and is) completely ignored except by the folks who cannot figure out how to. It has long ago been an obsolete talking point. Get over it.

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Chad727

It's not Metro that I'm hung up on (even though it is nothing but a waste of HHD space). Nor is the loss of a start menu a big deal. It's the loss of Windows Media Center being free of cost for watching OTA broadcasts. Now it's a $60 charge for what we had for free in Win 7. If they just gave it back for free, I'd have absolutely no qualms with Win 8. It's nice to see them start to cave in to customer demand though.

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Vano

Seriously? how is one app per screen, well, max 2 apps per screen is irrelevant?
If I wanted one app per screen, I'd be still using freaking DOS!

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

You are irrelevant as both a man and a human being.

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vrmlbasic

Why should I have to ignore it? I don't want it, don't want to take the unnecessary steps to get rid of it (and one is never completely rid of it) and therefore I see it as utterly ridiculous to pay for Win8. Microsoft ought to compensate Win8 users for the paid 3rd Party "cures" for Metro that they force us to use.

Metro isn't the only reason why I'll never use Win8 but it is a big one.

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maxeeemum

I agree!

It's Johnny P who can't figure out this simple concept!

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Granite

Update 1 looks good. Lots of useful new stuff.

The upcoming start menu doesn't help me because I don't use the start button anyway...unless I'm right clicking it to get to the stuff on that menu.

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iheartpcs

A few more updates and Win 8 will be Win 7...

What a joke.

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JosephColt

How is it a joke? Windows 8 is better under the hood with a lot of small improvements on top.

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iheartpcs

I don't mean Win 8 is a joke, I mean MS is a joke.

I like Win 8.

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vrmlbasic

Ah, these performance improvements that are talked about but aren't really experienced. :(

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yahknow1

So They're going to give me my start button back just in time for the Windows 9 launch, where they'll try to duplicate windows 7 as much as possible!

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AFDozerman

NO!!! I WANT MY START MENU BACK!!!! WAAAAAA!!!!

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fdhealy

Unless you want to litter your desktop screen with shortcuts there is still no access to all your programs. The task bar can only hold so much before it becomes unwieldy. More arrogance from MS.

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Ashton2091

Actually there is access to all program on the start menu. It has just been renamed to all apps. It's in the same place where all programs used to be. Right above the search menu. Seen a close up of the start menu on another site.

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anc51699

I think there's been a mix-up or a lack of clarification here: Update 1 is not bringing back the Start Menu. Update 1 brings new features like the addition of the familiar close/minimize buttons, a power and search shortcut on the Start Screen, the pinning of the Store App to the Desktop taskbar, and some other UI changes to the Start Screen, but it is not bringing back the start menu. You guys are likely getting Update 1 mixed-into the announcement that a redesigned Start Menu, mixing the classic Start Menu with Metro-like Tiles, as well as other enhancements to the desktop are going to happen in a future update coming later this lear following Update 1.

Source: http://lifehacker.com/microsoft-is-bringing-the-start-menu-back-to-windows-8-1557023798

MS's announcement of Update 1 (no mention of Start Menu): http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/windowsexperience/archive/2014/04/02/windows-8-1-update-important-refinements-to-the-windows-experience.aspx

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Mattattackk101

I have a basically almost a 2 year old gaming laptop, I am a photographer and graphic designer, will 8.1 run better than win7? Adobe supports windows 8.1 so thats not a worry. here is some of my basic hardware info. I am asking because I am not sure honestly if it would run better and smoother.

Operating System
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1
CPU
AMD A8-3510MX
Llano 32nm Technology
RAM
8.00GB DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
Hewlett-Packard 358B (Socket FS1)
Graphics
Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1080@60Hz)
512MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 6620G (HP)
Storage
931GB Seagate ST1000LM 024 HN-M101MBB SATA Disk Device (SATA)
Optical Drives
hp BD ROM BC-5550H SATA CdRom Device
Audio
IDT High Definition Audio CODEC

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Granite

I wouldn't get Win8 for any existing system now. The benefits gained are not worth the price you'll pay for it. I got Win8 when it cost $40 and I'm glad I did. I put it on my desktop. I have a Win7 laptop and that computer is going to stay that way.

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JosephColt

Only get 8 if you are getting a new computer. 8 is better, but not worth upgrading if you have 7 right now unless you like new stuff.

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Carlidan

Well said.

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germanogre

I haven't used W8 yet, but I don't think it would be worth the transition. From what I've heard, the performance boost is minimal. If your laptop had space for an SSD, I'd spend my money on that. Especially if all your software works fine on 7. It would probably run fine on 8, but if your work depends on it, why take the chance.