LinuxCon: Valve CEO Hints at Steam Box Announcement

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prince_david

I think OpenGL is going to keep getting better now.

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Ninjawithagun

Ultimately, Steam Box will be an utter failure...just like Chromebook was a failure. An "open source" operating system sounds exciting and supposedly promises so many things. LINUX is very powerful, I will admit that. However, it takes much more than just having a no cost powerful OS to drive things. Ultimately, a company needs to provide 100% reliable support. 3rd party driver updates are also always an issue. Less than 1% of all PC gamers use LINUX, so no, Steam Box is not the answer - even as a dedicated gaming console. I would like to see Steam eat their shoe; go ahead STEAM - drop PC and support only LINUX gaming systems and we'll see just how long your company survives when you lose 99% of your profit overnight... That's right. It isn't going to happen. Steam will suck it up and continue to do what they have been doing, and have been doing very well - providing an excellent and reliable WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM GAMING PLATFORM. Nuff said!

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Must have a Ph.D. in Business.

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PCLinuxguy

nice anti-linux rant there mr troll. maybe you were just having an off day or something considering you're ranting about something that isn't even a factor. At no point has Valve ever said they'd drop Windows support What Valve has said, incase you missed it, is that they are wanting to expand into Linux. NOT replace Windows with Linux. A Steambox would still be a PC in small form factor, less of a console than the traditional types out now. In essence it's still going to be PC Gaming.

Also that whole 1% is false. Revenue is revenue and if you can expand it into the millions that use Linux as their primary OS and keep in the black then it's a good idea to go for it. Not only that but as someone else pointed out, Valve would have more control over drivers and other factors thus allowing them to have something with quality.

Chill. Take some Prozac and a shot of whiskey while stretched out on a comfy chair..

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jbitzer

You are countering an argument no one is making. The steam box will supplement, not replace the windows software.

And if Valve is controlling the steambox hardware, they have no different issues managing drivers and such then MS and sony do with their game platforms.

Afew advantages they'd have is that your saves carry over, upgrades are less expensive, same game in your living room, on the go on laptop, and on your PC, entire library available on one box, etc.

This could be big.

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Azrael808

I'm not sure Valve have ever stated that they'll drop Windows as a platform, I think they're just hedging their bets by supporting Linux.

You say that less than 1% of PC gamers use Linux (I'm not sure how accurate that figure is), but that is probably due to a lack of titles. Valve are trying to rectify that by porting their own games over and there are a lot of indie developers who already do cross-platform releases.

I've seen on social networks a lot of people expressing an interest in getting into "PC gaming", but worrying about building or buying a system themselves. The Steambox would offer a nice in-road for those people; appropriately priced, of course. I don't know how successful the platform will be, but at least Valve are giving it a go. It might not do so well in it's first iteration, but what about the next, or the one after that?

Cross platform gaming is a win-win situation: personally, I have a Windows gaming PC, but I use Linux at work, so being able to fire up a couple of games over lunch is a welcome bonus. But developers benefit too by opening up their titles to a wider audience.

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legionera

http://www.netmarketshare.com/ for stats, click
Operating systems > Desktop share on the top.

If you are too lazy:
Linux: 1.52%
Mac: 7.28%
Windows: 91.19%

" But developers benefit too by opening up their titles to a wider audience."

Well, if you could call 1.5% an audience...

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Azrael808

Even if the netmarketshare site is 100% accurate, my points are still valid. I really don't see why everyone thinks games being developed for Linux is a negative thing and are so quick to jump on the hate-wagon...

It's not like you're being forced into using the OS, lol. I honestly think sometimes people hate the thought of their special little club having to share it's toys with other people... But the thing is nobody is losing anything, just more people get to play the same stuff.

It reminds me of Eric Cartman and his Tonka radio-controlled bulldozer that he takes great pleasure in forcing Kyle to watch him play with it! :D

I'll say it again: cross platform releases are a win-win situation.

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legionera

@ Azrael

Hehe.

What I criticize is the overall business decision to open a mall in the middle of the desert.There are no people there! If there are any, those people bought killer machines designed to boot Windows.

Indeed, nobody is forcing me to operate a steam box, but that does not mean that we can't discuss the decisions Gaben made and how ridiculous it sounds to come to the market with a console that is a desktop running desktop games.

Steam's human clients come from Windows. I doubt that they are so stupid to cut the branch they are sitting on by challenging the big 3 (Sony, Xbox and Niiiiiintendooooooooo). Gabe is just bluffing imo, but I would be very interested to find out what will happen if I am wrong.

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PCLinuxguy

That site is full of FUD.. did checking on other 'stats' it offers and it shows marketshare of iOS is higher than android. But according to IDC Android is on top. IDC is more reputable a source imo. And with businesses evolve they've been snapping up alot of Apple products and it's marketshare is higher than 7%. Windows holds closer to 80% share with Apple inching toward 15%. Linux % cannot be determined since alot of people dual boot it and run it on various machines and isn't a constant like mac and windows for tracking share.

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BlutUndFeuer

I doubt they're looking to abandon Windows on PCs. It's their bread and butter. They might lose money on a Steam Box, but I like that they're at least attempting to advance the ball down the field.

You're 100% right on the support/drivers aspect. But companies like Canonical are getting better at that all the time.

Also, I'd just like to point out that ninjas don't use guns. There. That's as close to trolling as I can muster.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Somebody has to do something.

Microsoft's big plan is to demand a cut from all developers for any software running on Windows, and all software will be sold through Microsoft, itself. That will dry up PC gaming overnight. Microsoft doesn't give a shit, because they have the XBox. As far as they're concerned, PC gamers can go fuck themselves.

The PC needs to remain the open platform alternative to Apple's walled garden. The last thing we need is two walled gardens.

So, someone has to do something. I hope they can figure it all out, and get everyone to start building for Linux.

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Ninjawithagun

Unfortunately, Steam Box is just another gaming console. So no, Steam is not the savior you are looking for. The only thing that will save PC gaming alive is the consumers (you and I) telling the myriad of companies like Microsoft, Apple, Sony, Nintendo, and Valve what we really want. We want our cake and ice cream. I personally want BOTH a gaming PC and a gaming console. I find that both fit perfectly depending on the game genry. For me, sports and driving games play better on consoles, while FPS, MMOG, MOBA, and RTS games are much better when played on a PC. Other things to sell to them is the fact that the consumer can upgrade their PCs for years to come, which is something to seriously consider with the push of 4K TVs and monitors to become the industry standard within the next 18 months. Gaming consoles are not upgradeable in the sense where you can improve processing or graphics power. With gaming consoles, the only upgrades available today are limited to hard drive, camera, and controllers. Ultimately, there isn't a single solution for gaming.

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severnia

I really dont care what they announce as long as its moving forward. Im a very heavy PC gamer and the only reason i haven't switched to Linux is games. Gaming on Linux has gone from almost non-existent with only niche titles a few years ago to something almost feasible and fairly quickly gaining ground. there are some very great Distros out now that someone with only a small computer skill set could manage as a daily driver.

There is a very radical shift in the Computer world coming and the pieces are just starting to come together. Major game studios are now looking at linux if not already dabbling in it, Microsoft is habitually alienating its customers of late and is fairly steadily losing ground in the Installed Base category, and the overall level of support for linux on almost every front from drivers to specialty software is growing rapidly. crowd-source funding of games is gaining in popularity and the vast majority of Kick-started titles are being developed to operate natively on Linux, paving the way for smaller studios and even teams of developers to land AAA titles on a Linux platform natively and once that starts happening, its all over, the PC gamer world will shift to the land of Open source. I would bet in 10 years, Linux gaming will tie Windows.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

I really, really hope you're right.

Otherwise, I'll be spending my free time on productive hobbies, instead.

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Belboz99

Biggest difference between Steambox and Xbox is that Steambox games will likely be cross-compatible with Steam on the PC, in more ways than one...

Unless I'm wrong, it's just one copy of the game to buy. Your characters, mods (yeah, mods!), save files, all work seamlessly across platforms, Steambox, PC, etc.

You're on your PC, save a game, open it on a friend's Steambox and it keeps the patches, mods, characters, and saves all in synch.

Meanwhile, this means you can have more games on Linux without requiring a Windows licence key and it's associated expense.

Presently I mostly go on Windows when I want to play a game that's not yet on Steam for Linux, or Netflix, which I really hope changes sometime as well.

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Ninjawithagun

...not exactly. You mean you will be able to play your games on your friend's Steam Box USING YOUR LOGIN. You get the idea. You will NOT be able to share your game you paid for on your Steam account with your friend using his login.

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timmyw

This might have been true last week but Valve just announced Steam Sharing where your friend can borrow your game. You will be able to play your games on his Box with his login.

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devin3627

Microsoft games are on xbox. valve games on Steambox. They'll still need to be on level with xbox one and ps4 for developers to give two f***s. wii is officially out of the water, all the steambox needs to do is be on level with other platforms.

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the_brink

I don't think the steam box will be for everyone, but it will be for those who can't afford a nice PC or are looking for something new.

My opinions about what to expect from Valve and the steam box:
1. Linux is free to develop for so no hidden fees like Microsoft products tend to have.
2. The box will open another market for PC gaming in the living room
3. The control will have innovative features - one of the points of the box is to breath some innovative back into the community.
4. Onlive is different then what the steam box will be.
5. OpenGL is awesome and would be better than Direct x because openGL runs everywhere.
6. Using an open source OS like linux adds security to steam's future.

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Upyourbucket

sudo apt get install direct x

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PCLinuxguy

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
sudo /sbin/lsmod | grep nvidia
sudo depmod -a
sudo modprobe nvidia_current
sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm restart

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radarblips

Im all for not needing windows anymore, but how the hell are they gonna get around direct x. They will put out this "steam box" and try to convince AAA dev's to start writing for opengl also i guess? And if so will we be trading one evil for another? If I can play my games on linux, i wanna play on linux, not on whatever distro valve is charging an arm and a leg for. All that said, Valve will be putting out a box that will only support a handful of my steam library In an attempt to get dev's to turn in the linux direction. All while they blow tons of money to produce a box that doesnt do much at launch and no one who is a pc gamer is going to want. I allready own a steam box, I built it myself. Someone please reply to this cus i been trying to drum up discussion on this topic since we first heard inklings.

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jbitzer

I'll reply: Valve is making an all in one, one stop gaming box for people who don't want to build the box themselves. It will be able to have windows installed on it after sale according to other articles I read, so compatibility won't really be a problem.

As for PC gamers not wanting it, I think with the success of the other weird PC stuff like the Shield, Oculus rift, etc, this will do well enough.

It's basically if you want a small PC in the living room, or don't want/know how to build one yourself, this is an option.

As for the traction on linux they don't have, once they get this box out of the conceptual stage, devs may start making linux games, as there will be a market for them, otherwise, install your own copy of windows on your box, it's still a steam machine.

Don't forget, Sony and MS charge a license fee to make games for their consoles, Valve is paid as the merchant for steam games already, that licensing cost MAY help even out developing for linux costs.

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legionera

"Im all for not needing windows anymore" you mean for gaming?

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LatiosXT

Until Valve releases ALL of its source code for its products, then praising Linux and harking on "closed" systems is just BS and they're just trying to save face here for lack of things their fans actually want.

A freaking game.

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Billy_Basso

Half-Life 3 - Linux exclusive

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vrmlbasic

So games on the PC/Xbone/PS4 can use DirectX and other M$ tech, right? How will that work with Linux?

We finally get similar software + hardware setups between consoles and PCs, so that games on PC (and ps3 lol) won't have such crappy ports because their engine (particularly Unreal) is made for console hardware first and foremost, and Valve is set to screw that up.

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captainjack

What is the complaint? It's another piece of software that you get for free. With an extremely small market share to boot. Valve is future-proofing their company by backing Linux at this point, it's still VERY secondary to their main money maker.

As far as the Steam Box goes, I think it will be a flop if it runs a Linux kernel. Not enough games are playable through the Linux client right now to make it a big hit. I wouldn't be worried about Valve and Linux messing up the console/PC equilibrium any time soon.

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TheMissingPiece

This is very interesting. While I admire GabeN's intentions, a lot of work needs to be done before Linux can be seen as a viable OS. Drivers are a mess in Linux, but with the backing of somebody as powerful as Valve, maybe there's hope.

In addition, if Valve does come out with some sort of "Steam OS", I'm sure gamers will flock to it, and perhaps if MS sees how much they rely on gamers, maybe they'll put more effort into gaming on Windows.

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vrmlbasic

The only way Valve can create a linux steambox is if some indie created something similar and they were bought up by Valve. Has that happened yet?

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legionera

I doubt that they will create a new OS. Otherwise you will have to dualboot all the time when you need productivity. It will be a hassle to do that all the time.

It is Gabe who will realize that the most of his clients are using Windows. I kind-a wonder why he opened a market for an OS that has insignificant number of users worldwide, to start with. (Android doesn't count)

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Theevenger

Half-Life 3 confirmed?

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legionera

By the way it is going, it looks like it will be for Symbian.

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yammerpickle2

Competition is usually good for consumers. If Valve can bring a box that is cost, power, and content competitive to the market then it will benefit us. Even if you’re a Xbox, or PS4 fanboy the fact that there is another key player in the market means possible price cuts for all systems and software.

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legionera

A steam box is useless. Valve will repeat the same mistake as Onlive. Onlive has a console that nobody buys (except the reviewers) because.... IT HAS A FUCKING FREE ONLINE CLIENT!!!!! So, what would be the point to spend money on a console that you already have? (except in the cases to upgrade your ancient PC)

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radarblips

HERE HERE

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Eoraptor

And how many times have we been told "this is going to be the steambox" or "steambox will be unveiled at this conference/tradeshow/event" At this point, I am firmly in the camp of "I will believe it when I see it and not before"