Lawfirm May Sue EA Over Buggy Battlefield 4 Rollout

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OpTicaL

EA deserves to get sued and I hope the lawsuit goes through. It is completely unacceptable for EA to deceive the public and release a Alpha stage game and call it Beta. The minute I played the official release I immediately felt a difference between BF4 and BF3, BF3's release was WAY more polished, graphics were much more refined in BF3 and at least the netcode wasn't as horrible. I wouldn't be surprised if EA required everyone to completely reinstall BF4 because they probably have to completely overhaul BF4 to get it to work right.

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IFLATLINEI

Whatever, EA cosnsitently releases unfinished or buggy games and we keep buying them. Maybe its us who needs to be punished somehow.

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codyandbecca

They should be sued, they can even get the minimum system requirements rite, I mean I have literally doubled the recommended system requirements "To the T" and the game still runs like a hot pile of a$$. I really hope that all of the unnecessary draw calls and other non since bogging the game down will be fixed with mantel.

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SirGCal

I'm right with you Vano; EA doesn't get my money anymore. I don't care if the helped produce a game that was the next/coming of the allmighty. With EA behind it, I'm not buying. Period. It's just not worth it.

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mojo23

the thing is I have always loved this franchise, the problem is that it crashes all the time after even the 3rd update. I am currently playing on the xbox 360 and it freezes my xbox all the time. No other game that I own does that.I stopped pre ordering games because of how buggy battlefield 3 was, and it would still freeze if I played it today. we don't ask for much, just a game we can play for hours on end without having to reset our pc, or game console

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maleficarus™

You should not be playing a 2013 game on 2006 technology! Why is this hard for you to grasp? BF4 should only be playing on the PS4, Xbone. Ideal I would say PC with a modern GPU and CPU. If you choose to play a modern game on outdated technology that was NEVER meant to render modern games such as BF4, then that is your fault! Don't go around blaming DICE and EA for your stupid choice in the first place...

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maguvu

Ooh ! we have expert here who can tell why not

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Scatter

Apparently EA learned absolutely nothing from the Sim City fiasco.

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maguvu

True they haven't

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E3Sniper

Okay, sure it's buggy. But want to know what this will achieve? Nothing - It'll simply fill a few people's wallets, and delay EA even further with their release. Sure, they should have waited longer to release it, but they pushed it with all the demand, and wanted to release it in time with Ghosts and next-gen consoles. It's taking them a while, but at least they are trying! Suing will simply take up more of their time, and it'll just discourage rather than help them fix the game. At least they still made an awesome game for the majority of the time that it hasn't crashed.

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maleficarus™

It is obvious the dead line for BF4 was the release of the next-gen consoles. I think the main reason why there is so much more complaints is because this is not just a PC release. Kick in PS3/PS4 and Xbone and then add that base to the PC base and you literally have millions and millions extra players. So having said that it is a no brainer this is making news...

What I find interesting is if you really look and pay attention you will notice most of the complaints are people with AMD systems and or SLI/CFX. I can't count how many times I have read some guy on the BF4 forums complaining about how his 8 core AMD CPU is giving such crappy frames in BF4. But I sit back with my 2+ year old i5 and average 90+ fps in ultra 1080P...

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poee

Is EA at least compensating you for acting as their PR flack in these forums? It's the least they could do.

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Vano

I've banned EA from my wallet since BF2, I'm not willing to pay for a game in alpha stage of development, and then wait 1 year for them to patch it up to a beta stage, then they quit support after 1.5 years.

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maleficarus™

I think this is completely crazy. First of all BF4 is not that buggy relatively speaking. It is more or less the same shape as all the other BF titles were when released. And personally the game runs fine for me every since they fixed the sound-loop freeze bug. Most of the issues are user config related. I have noticed that the Frostbite 3 game engine is very sensitive to PC overclocks especially GPU and CPU overclocks. I overclock my PC modestly. I have a i5 2500K running 4GHz. Most gamers using this same chip have it cycling 4.5GHz which is an extreme OC considering the fact this chip is a 3.3GHz rated chip. Now Dice and or EA are not responsible for this in anyway shape or form.

The other bugs in the game are annoying yes, but they are not law suit worthly in the least. I can honestly say in the games current state out of ten games I might have an issue one single time, be that a disconnect or a lock up while switching server maps. That is pretty much the PC industry norm these days. Another thing I have noticed from reading many forms across the net is AMD CPU's tend to be extremely weak for this game while Intel's offerings don't seem to have the same amount of FPS issues. I personally think this is more or less free advertising for this law firm that is doing the so called investigating.

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poee

If you are not an EA shareholder, then this lawsuit has nothing whatsoever to do with you or your gaming experience.

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LesserAnimal

Games don't have overclocking sensitivities. They can however reveal unstable overclocks that hold up under most conditions by pushing them to the point where they freeze up or crash. But a overclock that's been tested stable at the highest possible stress level you can put on it is not going to falter no matter how "overclock sensitive" the program is. Current gen AMD FX procs blow at single threaded performance and compensate with multi-threading. very few games at this point(this will change soon) makes use of their multi-thread advantage. This is why your older I5 is beating an FX. In Guild Wars 2 the game is very heavily bottlenecked by single thread cpu performance. So much so that my Phenom II 965 OC'd to 4.3 gets more than double the frame rates as someone with an fx-8350 running the same videocard because despite being older its design focused more heavily on single thread performance. In fact it takes 5ghz for a FX proc to match my Phenom II at 4.3 in single thread performance. There are many games that will take advantage of what the FX but the cost is dire when they dont. As long as games still favor single thread performance the FX line will have issues. Thats why kaveri is aiming to bring the single core performance back in line with Phenom II era CPUS while maintaining the multi-thread advantages they've invested in.

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maleficarus™

"Games don't have overclocking sensitivities. They can however reveal unstable overclocks that hold up under most conditions by pushing them to the point where they freeze up or crash"

Sure they do. Different game engines reveal this all the time. I have no solid proof other then my own system and reading dozens of hardware forums across the net. But if I OC my GPU a tit-hair too high, BF4 will freeze-up every single time. Now it just makes sense that a lot of PC gamers out there have there over clocks set to high for the Frostbite 3 game engine. Instead of them lowering there speeds down a notch or two, everyone is blaming DICE and EA for an unstable game. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. If there was a wide spread crash bug in BF4 game code then every single person would be having it too....

As for stress testing , that is BS and always has been. IBT and or Prime has never been a realistic reflection of real world use. You can pass 10 hours of IBT only to freeze up in BF4 5 mins into the game. I see it all the time. This just proves game code is sensitive to OC levels.

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Army Of One

Wow,

In all my years across all of the different websites and forums that I read/reply to I can honestly say I've NEVER disagreed with a post as much as I disagree with yours.

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maleficarus™

Perfect! Then I did my job then...making people look at different possibility's to find possible answers to common problems...

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Army Of One

The only thing your post showed me was how incredibly wrong you are, nothing more.

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maleficarus™

I have been building PC's since 1995. Been playing PC games since then as well. I know my stuff trust me. Besides, you are probaly 20 year old punk anyways. While I was figuring out what MMX meant, you were a sperm in your dads balls...

Drift...

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Jox

Vote with your wallet, people. EA only gets away with being a shit company because you allow it.

-Jox

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maleficarus™

What is wrong with you? EA makes great games for the PC! If it was not for EA PC gaming would have died off after Quake3...

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Renegade Knight

Games aren't EA's problem. It's the DRM. Sign ins. Root Kits and such.

With EA it's buy 1 game get 10 annoyances for free.

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Scatter

Why? Was EA responsible for The Warcraft or Diablo franchises? Did they make Grand Theft Auto, Fallout, or any of the Elder Scroll games? How about Halo or Half Life? Surely they must have some hand in making the Bioshock Games and Portal? Were they silent partners in Civilization?

In all honesty, when I think of EA all I think of is a yearly sports franchise regurgitation and me too military shooters.

Oh and by the way, EA didn't create Quake 3, Id did.

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The Mac

When i think of EA i think of Michael Jordan Vs Larry Bird from back in the 80s.

lol

EA and Activision are the only two remaining publishers from the golden age of Commodore 64.

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LatiosXT

EA gets sued because BF4 sucks.

I might be out of the loop as I've never seen this happen elsewhere.

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wolfing

"Bad press for EA" is redundant, there is no other type of press for EA

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genghiskhen

My understanding is they are looking to see if EA lied to shareholders. That is what the lawsuit may be about. Nobody is suing because the game sucks.

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Paul_Lilly

It's related. They're investigating whether or not EA was upfront about how bad of shape BF4 was in during development, which could have influenced an investor's decision to buy/sell stock in the company.

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West996

Sure its related but it should be pointed out that this lawsuit is not coming from a user perspective. It is coming from a shareholder perspective.

I'm pretty sure the millions of pages you agree to after downloading the game prevent any user class action lawsuits.

That being said, I've actually not had any problems after the recent patch.

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USMC3531

BF4 did have major problems upon release. I would have a client crash every other game, and the server side would crash every 10th game or so. Since the last few updates, crashes have been extremely rare.

I was frustrated before because when the game would crash, I would lose the XP and stats that were earned during the round. EA has, in my mind, taken care of that issue by running the week-long double XP period. If you ran an XP boost during the double XP week, the boosts stacked upon each other. I personally had a few rounds where I gained two ranks in the same round.

I'm not saying EA is a good company. What I am saying is that if BF4 was buggy crap before, you can come back now, it seems to have been fixed.

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AFDozerman

Really? There were problems? I got it the second week it was released and haven't had any problems at all. Is this just a console-related thing?

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John Pombrio

Nah. The latest issue of Maximum PC had a litany of troubles that were still around long after the launch.

That is not really fair tho, as there have been a lot of games that were just as buggy and did not get sued. I am all for legislation to emasculate all lawyers for patents and class action suits.

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AFDozerman

Agreed. Suing for a buggy game is on the same level as patent trolling; an abuse of the system for the advantage of a few- in this case, the law firm itself. Looking at their history, these people are the worst kind of sleezebags. If they really have the interest of gamers at heart, they should donate the money from a win back to the gaming community. I can guarantee that they won't.

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Army Of One

While I do agree with some of what you said Dozerman keep in mind, Holzer Holzer & Fistel LLC never said or claimed that this lawsuit was based on behalf of the end-user.

They're basically suing on behalf of the stockholders/investors.

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praetor_alpha

You're against class action? I am too, when the laywers get about 50% or more of the money rewarded. I'd also like these binding arbitration clauses to be dropped.