HP Cites "Popular Demand" for Bringing Windows 7 Back

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Andrew C.

Desktop users definitely are not looking for touch screens! 8 was just a bad product, so now a 'Back to the Future' with 7 is how they'll package it.

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legionera

like the people know what they want

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RandomInt

Seventy comments and no one has pointed out the obvious?

HP never stopped offering Windows 7 as an option. The “people have spoken” was just clickbait as a marketing campaign.

But their product line hasn’t changed: on their desktop page, they’re still selling 32 PCs with Windows 8 and three PCs with Windows 7. On their laptop page, they’re still selling 32 PCs with Windows 8 and two with Windows 7.

“There's no sugarcoating the fact that this is a condemnation of sorts…”

Not really. It looks like HP inadvertently trolled every lazy tech writer on the Web.

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PCLinuxguy

Keep reading about people saying 8 needs a touch screen. I have Zero touch-friendly devices (including screens) and it works perfectly. Basic keyboard and mouse and standard 1080p monitor. No issues. Runs on my HTPC as well as on Drive 1 of my gaming/testing rig. So far no issues. Perhaps I'm one of the 'lucky few' that don't have problems using the OS in the same fashion that I used Windows 7. No DVD codecs built in? I run Cyberlink for my HTPC (even back when it was on Windows 7) so not a problem there, but I can understand why it would be for others. WMC is ok (not really caring about it's removal), but then I run XBMC and Plex.

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legionera

Linux isn't as satisfying as before, eh? Then you change your wife to a juicy Eastern Eauropean model, your car to a Mercedes, and your house with a copycat of Gate's mansion. Life is good outside the thick walls isn't it? :P jk

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maleficarus™

Math is math:

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

Over 70% of the several MILLION steam users in this hardware survey use a none touch screen OS like W7 while a mere 18% use W8/8.1

You can argue this all you want but the math of this is W8 and the damage control version 8.1 has not caught on at only 18% percent usage after two years of release!

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PCLinuxguy

misread 'math is math' as meth is meth.. darn you Breaking Bad series I watched over the last few days

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llmoore

Some of the software we run croaks on windows 8 and the vendor does not want to upgrade to the touch screen. The software is great for what we do so why change.

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dbqfan

Win8 will never be in my future as far as a PC operating system. If Win9 is no better then it is time to look at Apple as much as I hate to say that.

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Chad727

MY problems with Windows 8 is all about paying more to get less than before. I could care less about changes such as the Metro UI, hot corners, charms bar, and even the start menu. I'm more than willing to learn a new OS such as Linux and BSD so Windows 8 is no different in that regard. But when you take away functionality and programming that the previous OS had and then charge me for it if I want it back, the decision to go with Windows 7 is value driven. Why would I pay to lose features that I like having and gain features that I have no use for? If you want my money M$, then give me what Windows 7 offered and then pile on some more cool stuff. It's that simple. It's no different than any other purchase.

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Rebel_X

It is time for people to upgrade their OSs from Windows H8 to Windows 7.

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ftldelay

Hey Microsoft. Just giving you a heads-up for your future versions of Windows. Desktop users don't want touchscreens - no matter how cheap they eventually become. We also don't want to talk to our computers, have them talk back, or operate them using gestures. In an office environment, how stupid would we look waving our hands around to operate our computers? How noisy (and annoying) would it be if everyone talks to their machines? How tired will our arms be from reaching out and touching a screen all day? Give it up - it's not the wave of the future and not what people want.

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Granite

LOL!!

If we left things up to people like you who have no imagination, we would still be telling our computers what to do in a command line interface.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

They must have you guys in full-scale damage control meltdown mode right now. Are they calling in the interns to help with the trolling?

This is an example of how out of touch and beyond reason Microsoft is under that whacko's control: Their plan is to insult and berate customers until they stop complaining about Ballmer's "one experience" vision.

That vision was spelled out between the lines. The white lines.

Yeah, berating your customers has always been a great marketing plan. Keep it up, little intern.

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ftldelay

I've got plenty of imagination - I'm just thinking practically. The touchscreen/gesture comments are mainly because most people will complain that their arms are tired from doing that all day. My voice command comments are because if I'm in the office, I don't want to hear everyone else telling their computer what to do. What if they want to narrate a private email? What if I'm on my PC in the living room at home - do you think my wife wants to hear me talking to the computer while she's watching TV? Just a few examples of how stupid of an idea this is. Sure, Microsoft can spend millions of $ writing the code to incorporate all that bloat and 95% of people won't use it. I'd much rather see their efforts put into other areas of the OS.

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Granite

Nope. No imagination.

Heck, I can think of a lot of ways to deal with your pathetic objections...and I'm not even very smart.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Just wait until Windows no longer allows you to store your data locally, but instead charges you a monthly fee to access it. While Microsoft mines it, of course.

ALL YOUR DATA ARE BELONG TO US!

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maleficarus™

That has started with Skydrive...

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maxeeemum

HP is just doing what Levono and Dell have been doing all along. But now they are advertising it. Even Staples is advertising you can get Win7 on a new PC.

Windows 8 is killing the PC marketplace. So this is what it's come to. It's funny to see the M$ sheep deny the facts. Windows 8 will go down in history as one of the worst M$ ideas ever or could be the beginning of the end.

HP is just giving the people what they want! And it's not Win8!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGcwpJgge6g

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Granite

I think you are wrong when you say that Win8 is killing the PC marketplace.

That marketplace is evolving through more choices...most of which have nothing to do with Win8.

More powerful phones, more powerful tablets, consoles with more capabilities, Chromebooks, ultrabooks, AIO's...they all are having an effect on the PC marketplace.

Giving people more choices. THAT'S what people want. HP is giving people more choices. Win8 is giving people more choices, as well.

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maxeeemum

No! Let me be clear! Windows 8 is killing PC sales! At Microsoft the leadership is being fired, replaced or stepping down. Windows 8 is the biggest failure ever. Now call Ballmer, while he's still there, and tell him you gave it your best shot.

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Granite

Well, you haven't been clear about anything, yet. You made a statement...given no credible reasoning for it...and when disputed, you just repeat your statement (and still no reasoning for it).

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

It's cute when you act smarter than you are.

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lunchbox73

And for the love of God, stop using "M$." That's almost as tired and lame as people using "Crapple."

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maxeeemum

What's wrong with "M$"??? M$ is the standard abbreviation for one of the greedest companies on the planet. Microsoft has earned "M$" as an abbreviation.

As for "Crapple" well that is one of the best names and description for the greedest company on the planet. Crapple is computing for the computer iliterate. And for that privilege they tack an extra hundred or two on just for good measure. Gotta agree with Gordan on all his rants.

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lunchbox73

Please make your case why Microsoft is one of the "greedest" companies on the planet.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

M$

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Biceps

Windows 8 was a complete fucking tragedy, as most thinking HU-MANS outside of Microsoft can see. It was also expected, because Microsoft pretty much face-plants on every even-numbered OS (see Vista, NT, etc).

It is like Intel and their 'tick-tock' strategy, but Microsoft misses every other time, so it is a 'whiff-tock'. Ha! I am so clever.

Seriously, I had W8, it sucked. I got rid of it and went back to 7. My wife has W8 on her laptop and I just don't even use the thing because it is so difficult to use W8 without a touchscreen.

Microsoft could have done better with W8. Defend it all you want, but Windows 8 sucked so badly it cost Balmer his job - that is all the evidence you should need.

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THE_REAL_MAVERICK

Tried Windows 8 and I hated it. Windows 7 is just a polished Windows. Windows 8 seems like it was created for touchscreen devices. Sure it works great for some things, but my gaming PC works great with Windows 7 and I'm not going to pay for what I consider a downgrade.

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Random

Poor Microsoft just can't catch a break. I agree with those who are demanding more from their OS. Hopefully Microsoft will actually listen to their customers this time.

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TrioxinCreator

TheMissingPiece

ok, win 8.0/8.1 are touch friendly, but there si a certian demand for the power of the win7 os..

I have used both operating systems, and have found out that win7 is better if you are a gamer, for a recreational computer, to play some angry birds, watch ned flix ect win 8 is better then win 7
I chalenge some one to tell me that win7 is worse for power users that win8/8.1 is the power user dream...

I find that HP is doing what thier customers want,which I see that any major company ignoring its customer base will loose its customers.
/clap

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Granite

I won't say Win8 is "better" for gamers or power users than Win7. But I won't say it is worse, either.

You see, Win8 is nothing but an improved, souped-up Win7 with the added features of an excellent touch interface. Games, programs...anything that works well in Win7 will work just the same in Win8.

Don't make the mistake that others make. Win8 is NOT only what you see on that Start Screen.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Windows 8 is Metro, a smart-phone OS. Metro has no place on a desktop PC, but as an accessibility option, just like large type and voice recognition—completely optional, never crammed down anyone's throat.

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gc

"Don't make the mistake that others make. Win8 is NOT only what you see on that Start Screen."

Unfortunately the people thinks this way. Im amazed at the higher% of "tech" community in MaxPC views it that way.

To the misinformed
The internal make up of Windows 7 is an evolution from Window XP. kinda like transformation of Moth becoming a butterfly.

While Windows 8.1 as a whole different type of "SPECIES" all together. Different DNA, different make up from the inside.

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TheMissingPiece

God, these comments....

I think this is a bad move on both HP's and MS's part, since it'll only fragment the user base and honestly won't contribute to that many more sales on HP's part. I could be wrong, though. Do people miss Win7 that badly? Sure, it's a great OS, but honestly? Win8 (and especially 8.1) is not a big deal.

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maleficarus™

Who was the rocket scientist that thought it was a good idea to release an OS that was designed for tablets and touch screens and then put it on desktops where only a small handful of users have bought a touch screen monitor to use it? LOL

The person or persons responsible for that choice should have been fired from MS! It was not only a stupid idea from a business stand point but a horrible idea in general! The sales of W8 back this up and the fact that W9 is being rushed out the MS doors. We don't want to be sitting at our PC desk reaching to touch our monitors!! Why is this so hard for people to understand? And adding a "classic shell" defeats the purpose of the OS in the first place! There was zero point in W8 unless you have a tablet or netbook.

The people has spoken. W8 failed and it is time to sweep that crap OS under the rug and move forward!

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lunchbox73

Didn't you see Minority Report? The future is nothing BUT touchscreen! Oh, and cars that drive down the side of buildings.

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Granite

1. Touch screen monitors are expensive...but they are coming down in price. More will use them as prices come down further.

2. Win8 was released in 2012. Win9 is coming out three years later. Doesn't sound like it's being rushed to me.

3. Speak for yourself. I would love to have a touch screen monitor to the side of my other two monitors.

4. You are correct about that "classic shell" thing. It's totally unnecessary.

5. Your contention that Win8 has failed is nothing more than wishful thinking. In a few months you'll see more integration between the desktop, the console, tablets and phones. Next year all that will increase. Soon you'll see voice and motion control added to the traditional keyboard, mouse and controller.

But hey...go ahead an be a dinosaur, while your kids move on.

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maleficarus™

Did a quick goggle search and the very first 23 inch touch screen monitor that popped up was $450 CAD model from DELL. That is not coming down in price when you can buy a 24 inch LED for $180 and call it a day! So you expect us to pay $200+ more just to touch our screen and put finger prints all over it all day? LOL

No thanks,call me old all you want I'll pass thank you very much!

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Granite

A year and a half ago, that 23" touch screen monitor cost over $700, so yeah...prices have been coming down and they'll drop more.

But I'm glad to see you've walked yourself back instead of making broad-brush statements about what everyone wants.

Don't you feel better when you just speak for yourself?

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maleficarus™

The real issue is this: Using a tablet or cell phone touching your screen is simple and effortless as there is very little work involved. You will not be lifting your arms up across and down to do things. So for these devices W8 is the perfect OS. But sitting at your desk with your monitor a foot or two away changes this completely! Just to surf the net you will be lifting your arm up and across your PC desk. This over time will be very tiresome and make using your PC actual work. This is why W8 was doomed to fail from the get go! The start menu complaints are really smoke and mirrors for the real issue and that is W8 is for touch screens like small cell phones, tablets and netbooks.

Like I said before, the persons that decided to market this for home use should have been fired from MS. They obviously did not even use common sense on this one...

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Microsoft employees actually have this mantra tacked up in their cubicles. This makes it it easier to ape during their online trolling sessions.

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PCWolf

What could have saved Windows 8 from the Hate if done from Day 1:

1: Making the Modern UI an Option on Desktops instead of forcing it down people throats.

2: Option to "Boot to Desktop" if choosing the Modern UI.

3: Allowing Users to choose Between Metro & the Old Style Windows Button/Menu.

4: Not requiring you to Log into the MS Mother Ship every time you boot.

5: Not removing Aero/Glass.

6: Not taking over 1 year to give the people what 3rd party companies gave them in a month or less.

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Chad727

7: Not removing DVD playback out of the box.

8: Not removing Windows Media Center so your PC can no longer be a DVR with the addition of a cheap usb TV tuner.

9: Not killing the sidebar entirely in Win 8.

10: Not charging an additional fee if we want to gain the functionality mentioned in points 7 & 8 back.

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PCLinuxguy

1: If it was forced, there would be no desktop option built in, it'd be Metro/Modern UI or you don't use the OS at all. IMHO

2: Agreed

3: Agreed

4: Well, if you don't want to use Metro/Modern UI 'Apps' then just make a local account.

5:Really? Granted Aero isn't the bloat it used to be on Vista, but seriously? The biggest gripe I heard from XP users was that Vista and 7 had Aero eye candy that was distracting and a waste of resources. I don't see a problem in removing it if people are all about performance (which if one is bashing Windows 8 then I'll assume 'yes' in their defense)

6: Agreed

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Engelsstaub

5. It's all about the Shock&Awe. If one isn't at least somewhat entertained by opening a new window it obviously can't be a very good operating system.

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PCLinuxguy

If that's the case then Linux has the upper hand there for sure: wobbly windows, windows that spiral or flame out when closed or minimized etc. Hope your week is going well

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gc

The "Windows 8 hate" bandwagon has died down considerably in late 2013 and especially more so now 2014 on forward.

The mainstream notebooks market has boomed with Touchscreens features at amazingly low price points similar to price ranges of Chromebooks's (browserOS).

Toshiba Satellite NB15T-A1302 11.6-Inch Touchscreen Laptop
ASUS D450CA-AH21 14-Inch Laptop
Lenovo IdeaPad S415 59385549 14-Inch Touchscreen Laptop (Silver Gray)
Dell Inspiron 11 i3137-3751sLV 11.6-Inch Touchscreen Laptop]]
Toshiba Satellite C55-A5300 15.6" Laptop PC]] ,
ASUS Q200E-BSI3T08 11.6-Inch Touchscreen Laptop (Slate Grey)
just add Classic Shell/Start8 pluse +$60 for 8GB ram and boom you have a $390 device that can get 90% of the job a $1,000 ultrabook does for avg mainstream consumer.

I believe (the low prices of touch, notebooks) helped sway all those riding "Windows 8 hate" because most has now used and are now living comfortably in Windows 8.1

Get over it already. "Windows 8 hate" IS GETTING OLD.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

When Microsoft employees cry....

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PCWolf

Microsoft Employees love to cry when people "Hate the 8". Happy that HP is giving people what they want, instead of that lame Windows 8.