How the Steam Machines Are Losing Steam

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MrFox

I don't understand why the Steam Controller HAS TO BE part of a Steam machine. I thought they where going to break with the big corporation principles of forcing things down people's throaths. Like Microsoft tried with Kinect. I thought they would release and sell all of the parts SteamOS, SteamMachine and SteamController as seperate components, that can be used in combination with other hardware/software.

Clearly I was wrong, for some reason Valve thinks everyone having 'their' controller will make things better.

Cmon guys it's just a controller, just drop the package requirement.

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Guru Larry

What would be really nice is if Valve are really using this time so they can bundle Half-Life 3 with the machines...

But that's wishful thinking.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Since Microsoft began attempting to alter reality through brute force advertising and the even more pathetic viral marketing prevalent hereabouts, the editorial shift at Maximum PC has been unmistakable.

One could write a book on all the shit Microsoft has done to its "partners." Of course, none of that would ever be mentioned around here.

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Cube

I would buy a lot of these machines as a kick ass small form factor pc.

They some how got full sized gpu cards and everything into these small boxes. some of them are only the size of the xbone I would buy one of those now if it was a steam machine or not and cost $500.

they should sell them now as small form factor pcs.

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Guru Larry

Yeah, but their specs, you could build one yourself for far less.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

If I was to use a Steam box, a controller wouldn't be a priority. I'd use keyboard & mouse, as I have for years.

If I wanted a fucking console, I would have bought one years ago.

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Guru Larry

This isn't about consolizing PC gamers, They would never leave their towers. it's more to bring console gamers over to them by meeting them half way.

Unfortunately the stupid prices these things will go for may kill off that possibility, but you may entice a couple.

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stradric

Valve definitely does need to work on their communication. Many of us just believed that they suck with communicating to their customers, but it appears they also suck with communicating to their partners. The solution for these vendors seems simple: release their ready products now and do a refresh later on when the Steam Controller is ready.

I also doubt Valve gave these partners the go-ahead to start stocking equipment. That decision is on the vendor being too anxious. Also, I doubt these vendors have been stocking much of this equipment given that the demand for Steam Machines can't be that high.

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Bucket_Monster

I didn't see Steam Machines being that successful in the first place. They seem to be targeting a market that doesn't really exist. Console gamers aren't going to buy into this, and most PC gamers would rather build their own rigs or use their existing ones and have no need for it anyway. It's easy enough to hook your PC up to your TV with a wireless controller, as well as installing SteamOS anyway. Valve has a huge road ahead of them, and this fizzling start is not going to help them at all.

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Obsidian

Clearly "Steam Box" and/or mainstream, large-scale, gaming on Linux is in real danger of never happening. This is extremely bad news for gamers. Initially I was excited about the SteamOS platform. Not that I needed one today, but that it would be there for an option for me in the future -- when I admit that I use my main rig for 90% gaming so I would have gone without a Windows license.

If MS realizes they will always be the ONLY game in town they may finally put up a 100% walled garden application store (iTunes clone) like they initially wanted with the Windows 8 roll out. This would result in eventually squeezing Steam, Amazon, Humble Bundle, Good Old Games and any future competition out of the scene. MS could even look for a way to charge more for a gamer-optimized version of their OS. We know that MS has no real ability to deliver "games for windows" and no desire to support that team. They have no history of wanting things to go more smoothly for Windows users when it comes to games. All that talent and expertize is focused on XBox.

I wouldn't have purchased a pre-built box anyway, but these vendors that have been hanging their hats on the availability of this piece of vaporware will (and should) feel burned, as will the retail and online chains they were working out agreements with. Petty behavior of humans will make the success of this platform even less likely as they retaliate or ignore the future requests from anything with the term "Steam Box" associated with it.

Thanks for covering something I brought up in a previous thread Jimmy. Keep up the good stories MPC.

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LatiosXT

I'm finding the whole "walled garden" thing something Microsoft can't ever do because the way I see that ever happening is that future releases of Windows is basically going to be Windows RT, and we know how well that has worked out for them.

If anything, the worst Microsoft can do is basically say "you won't get certification that your program is safe for our OS unless you go through our store". Which I'm sure a lot businesses will not agree to and most people will ignore the warnings anyway.

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DakotaDidYou

I think it would be fine if they just released them in a few months after E3 with some free promotional games. Maybe also free demos, and things like that. At really competitive price points. Calling it something like Steam Machine something cool to make it sound awesome. Prelude I don't know. At E3 announce everywhere a week after E3 Steam Machines will be available for pre-order. With a three to four month span until the first wave is released. Tell them it's really cool beta stuff. That would by them a whole year to set up the next round. They have to shit or get off the pot, and they have went to far with this to just spring it out. Admit it might not be the best thing, but is certainly better then nothing. Plus the could say you will get a free upgrade to the Steam OS when it launches. Look at Minecraft we played Alpha and Beta for years before it actually was a complete game. I am sure they could make it marketable even now.

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AFDozerman

They intentionally never gave a solid date. Honestly, who didn't see this coming?

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devin3627

LISTEN TO THIS GUY!!!! HE IS A GENIUS!!!! ALL YOU IDIOTS OUT THERE WHO THINK STEAM MACHINES ARE AMAZING, THEY ARE YEARS BEHIND! THE IDEA FAILS ITSELF BECAUSE THE REASON PEOPLE GO TO PC GAMING IS TO BE AHEAD IN GRAPHICS AND TIME AND BE ABLE TO CHEAPLY BUILD THEIR MACHINE. THIS GOES TO ALL BUNDLED MACHINES, THEY BELONG TO GRANNIES AND PEOPLE WHO DONT UNDERSTAND COMPUTERS.

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jbitzer

YES LISTEN TO THE GUY WHO TYPES IN ALL CAPS.

And you call others idiots.

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LatiosXT

If graphics were all that counted in gaming, then I've certainly been playing the wrong games. Also cheaply build their machines? Can I have some of that fairy dust you've been snorting? Last I checked, a gaming PC "TO BE AHEAD OF GRAPHICS" has a $800-$1000 minimum price tag, just for the tower.

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dgrmouse

Another popular tech site publishes quarterly builds in the $500-600 range that generally offer playable rates at 1080p in medium-high detail. As far as I know, that makes them "ahead of graphics."

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LatiosXT

Well, there's the ambiguous term "ahead of graphics". If we went by the PS4, then you need to spend half that budget getting a video card that would produce results beyond that.

And it depends on the game. If it was something on the 360/PS3 originally, then of course it's going to be better. But if it's something heavy hitting like Metro, then we might have something here.

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jbitzer

I saw the card that's in the PS4/XB1 on sale for $100 somewhere last week or the week before.

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JosephColt

Don't call them Steam machines. Just release them as small form factor PC's. A Steam machine is just another PC, but much smaller.

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dgrmouse

That sounds like a win for everyone. I don't know anyone who is anticipating the controller with bated breath. I suspect the OEMs are just venting because they are anxious with hope that the Steam brand allows them to fetch a premium - despite all the blustering, the delays only cost them money in the sense that they aren't currently making all the money they feel they should (assuming that the article has a valid source, which isn't certain).