Here We Go Again: Microsoft Set to Debut Surface 2 on September 23

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steve771

You can polish a t*rd as much as you want, it's still a t*urd.

What a lousy company M$ is.

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Weo

I love my Windows 8 tablet. Unfortunately the following harangue targets the grand scheme of things rather than any piece of hardware in particular. A little user customizing and Windows 8 works well for me and my tablet... which I use as an ultra-portable, limited use computer for everything when on the road (replaced my Android tablet which was less capable). I stopped hauling around my larger laptop too... at least when photo and video editing needs are less intensive.

Many anti-Windows 8 complaints (not necessarily on this website) complain about a new UI. Let me say, that this is the first sign of people getting "old". Adaptability is the only constant in the world of technology.

Many complaints I hear about Microsoft are from the average consumer point of view... although some techs complaints remind me of the local mechanics that wish they could get by on their knowledge of a 1980 Ford instead of learning all the new procedures for today's new tech. I have had good experience with Windows 8, although I currently use computers with Windows XP, 7, and 8... as well as an old version of Apple's OS and an Android phone.

That being said, if you do research on Microsoft's vision and direction, you'll find that it has targeted industries first (enterprise, industrial, farming, etc.), and consumer's second...hence the mediocre UI and limited app usability. In my opinion, the advantage of similar user experiences throughout devices is more geared to the former. Adapting to a system that has become so integral to large industry reinforces and familiarizes users with a strong software infrastructure that is currently in use and evolving (think UPS and how it's taken over the unseen side of big businesses like Amazon).

The downside is that average consumer content, e.g. Twitter, Netflix, Fruit Ninja, Facebook, and other entertainment, non-productivity, non-database software is lower quality. No problem complaining about limited Facebook apps, but apparently iPhone or Android photo editing software is OK vs. Adobe Photoshop, as well as other more academic or professional software abilities lacking in both Apple and Android mobile OS's. People have become addicted to apps, rather than more accessible and better designed mobile web pages for a one browser-no app experience (Steve Job's vision, as he hated the idea of using apps on his concept iPhone). Why can't we just go to the web page again?

In my opinion, if you just Google "vision" for Apple, Microsoft, and Google, the priorities of these companies and the direction of their software makes sense. Windows 8 tablets give me the option to use both the mobile, touch friendly UI and a full desktop experience with full OS capabillity when needed. That being said, I do wish Microsoft made it easier to customize their UI per user requirements without having to code or use third-party software.

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Innomasta

good luck microsoft. May the force be with you

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Engelsstaub

I'm afraid no matter what Microsoft tries here it's going to be a distant third place (marketshare) to Android and iOS tablets.

MS needs to come up with some fresh ideas and lead the way IMO. They're always late to the party these days.

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LatiosXT

Oh boy, more complaining about one interface that 1. You probably don't deal with 99% of the time and 2. You can get a replacement for it.

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yammerpickle2

My company would not touch Win 8 with a ten foot pole. Also why would we pay the MS price premium when there are cheaper Android mobile options that already have a ton of applications written for them?

I wish MS the best of luck on Surface 2 as I think they are going to need it. However, I'm actually glad they pushed the Surface RT, as thankfully it appears to be the straw that finally broke Ballmer's back. I think he was a semi-competent middle management marketing person who was lucky enough to hitch a ride on Bill’s coattails. However, he clearly was not the CEO leadership that MS needed and should have stepped down years ago.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

You don't see Apple fucking over their desktop users just to sell iPads, iPhones and iPods.

Who was it that thought a touch-screen interface was exactly what business and desktop users without touch-screen interfaces wanted in an operating system? Seriously, whose idea was it? Ballmer? Sinofsky? Larson-Green?

Which one decided to destroy Windows?

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legionera

You know, you can switch to desktop. They've changed the start button with a full screen menu that you bring with the magnify glass and you can see more apps on the screen this way. I find it a lot more convenient than the old Start Menu.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

The traditional desktop work environment should be the default for business and desktop users, not the touch-screen smart phone interface. Metro should have been an option, not something crammed down our throats because Microsoft needed to prove its commitment to mobile computing.

Windows 8 would be no less ridiculous if it forced visually-impaired settings by default, or some other modified environment unsuited for the needs of 99% of the market.

It takes a special breed of retard not to understand why an operating system targeting 1% of the market fails to find commercial success.

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PCWolf

There is a 98% chance that this 2nd attempt to push this Fail OS upon the public will fail yet again. & the fact that RT looks identical to windows 8, causing confusion among the average consumer does not help. Microsoft should have released RT First, then waited at least 2-3 years before releasing windows 8. The Lunatics are running the Asylum at Microsoft.

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legionera

Maybe MS did not want to sell its products to random fruit or alien retards. They wanted the people to research the differences between the two versions. Computing is not for everyone! Plus, computer sellers, like at Best buy, are outlining the differences between RT and Pro. I don't see where the problem is.

If you personally are aware what the difference is, why do you care so much about the other people? They can figure it out themselves and return the product if they don't like it and get the pro.

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fung0

Absolutely agreed. RT always looked like a winner to me, and the RT devices I've used suggest that RT could have been a decent tablet platform. Marketing it as "Windows" was idiotic, and could only result in a market disaster.

Unfortunately, not-listening seems to be the new normal in Redmond. Microsoft's next wave of announcements will inevitably double-down on the existing strategy, even though pretty much everyone agrees it's been a total failure: negative impetus to the Windows market, and no meaningful inroads into the tablet market.

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legionera

@ Fungo

How would you expect a multi-billion dollar company, whose product is in almost every household on earth to listen to random street people how to do their business? MS has their anthropologists and business analysts that research those stuff.

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wintercoder

Absolutely Disagree.

With the inclusion of Office, our three Surface RTs have proven to our family and my business to meet the vast majority of our needs. We also have two Surface Pros (my youngest uses his in college and I use mine for software development and support while in the field.)

IMO Microsoft simply failed in two areas:
1) Their initial price point was too high resulting in cries from the anti-MS zealots.
2) They cared too much about their partner reaction to their entering the hardware biz... resulting, again, in inflated prices.

We have a field sales force that will likely be outfitted with Surface Pro 2's. The enhanced kick-stand, believe it or not, will make a difference in our presentations.

Windows 8 continuity throughout the mobile, tablet and desktop experience has already saved our company thousands in employee training and adoption rate.

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bensen408

If I can't play games on it, then there is no point in buying one for use at home.

If I can't put my existing productivity applications that I have volume licenses for at the office on it, there is no point in it buying one for the office. The world uses more than just MS Office.

It slow, pokey, and it's not Windows 7, so there is no point in using it. Windows 8 gets me frustrated and I've been using the PC since DOS 6.22

Can I attach it to a Domain and install the drivers for the printers at work? If not, there is no point.

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legionera

No one is forcing it on you.

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bensen408

I beg to differ...

Windows8 in all its flavors HAS been forced on us. If you go buy a new PC, they pretty much all come preloaded with Windows8.

Blech.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Good thing your company is big enough to keep Microsoft in the black.

But then, what was that $900 million write-off all about?

I'd like to see Windows 8 continuity perpetuate continued losses.

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jgottberg

IMO, the Surface RT didn't fail because of inadequate hardware. It failed because of Window 8. Not that 8 is terrible but people have an expectation that when they buy something with the Windows logo on it, they expect it to be able to use the same software as any desktop.

If MS wanted it to succeed, they needed to make a clear distinction that Windows RT was a mobile OS and not capable of x86 compatible software. They should have made it a mobile-only OS (no desktop) and simply called it Microsoft Mobile. There. No expectations, right?

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iheartpcs

"Microsoft Mobile"

Makes perfect sense! Now, just think, a whole lot of people got paid a whole lot of money to do the opposite of what you suggested.

MS has a new money making strategy - confuse the crap out of people and sucker them into spending money.

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legionera

So does Apple with their ancient UI (and lack of any innovation) and Google with their always in beta Android.

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Engelsstaub

What do Google or Apple have to do with this article or discussion?

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PCWolf

Agreed

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DeltaFIVEengineer

I'll be interested if they announce that the original RT's will be priced at $199. Otherwise, what's to get excited about?