Fully Loaded Mac Pro Ravages Your Wallet for $9,600, Ships in February

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AFDozerman

What I don't think some people understand is that this is good for the price assuming that those are actual W9000s, of which I can almost guarantee that they are not.

The largest (among other, smaller) factors in deciding workstation graphics cards vs gaming graphics price is driver support. Since Apple gets a barebones card and writes their own drivers for it, they can essentially pay for a 7970 and market it as a w9000.

In an apples to apples comparison, I would have to say that it might be better to bench a "real" pair of 7970s against this than a pair of w9000s.

Doesn't matter now, though. A single 290x can push almost six Tf. for 500 dollars. Put it in something with good cooling, like their case with that gigantic internal radiator, and you win.

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rrecine

Build 5 good PC's or a few really good PC's. Those are your winning options, rather than throwing your money away.

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Vesuvius

I always wanted to have my own R2D2, does it cook and clean. Oh its a Pc for 10k? If it comes with C3Po and it's own Wookie then 10k looking reasonable

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mario_ramalho

It would be nice to see a similarly priced or spec'ed PC benchmarked against this thing, with real-world simulations. Maybe you guys should build your own, as i doubt that boutique vendors have anything similar. I think it would be interesting to see.

2 points to consider: Can a PC be spec'ed the same way for a similar price, and can it hold its own against the Mac in benchmark tests?

I think a lot of us would like to see that.

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iplayoneasy

This is and never was for the home use. These have always been used buy pros who spend all day running Final Cut Pro and Protools. You run it for several years and then you recycle them. This is a beast machine for the professional workspace due to it's tiny size and quietness. As for price, of course it's ten grand. The cpu alone costs $2,750 on newegg. Also it's using 1tb pcie flash storage that apple claims can chug at 1.2 GB/sec, 64 gigs of ram and manages to pack 7 teraflops of gpu power all in a box that's less than 10 inches tall. It's a dream machine for pro's who use their computer for REAL work.

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SirCheese

nevermind

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wolfing

but does it run Crysis?

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Wily_One

Good luck replacing any parts in that thing. Can it even be cracked open?

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Neufeldt2002

It's actually an interesting piece of kit. I am more interested in what kind of thermals that has under full load.

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AETAaAS

*scrolls back up* No this isn't Mac Life and it's much too early for April's Fools... Did I take my tablets this morning? Check.

Get this outta here. :p

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Cregan89

Considering this thing would crush MaxPC's zero point machine, and likely give the dream machine a run for it's money in a few benchmarks, I think it's earned itself an article on MaximumPC.

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acidic

care to elaborate a little on the "crushing" of the zero point ? i find it funny how since it's an apple product that a quad core will magically "crush" a hexa core. if it were an amd hexa, we'd understand but not intel vs intel. gaming cards arent accurate enough for professional programs like pro cards aren't built for gaming.

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Cregan89

I'm referring to the maxed out specs - 12 cores.
And they're Xeon cores, so they probably outperform the zero point core for core as well (although admittedly I have no idea what hardware is actually in the zero point).

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kixofmyg0t

You have NO IDEA what's inside the zero point yet you think this Mac will "crush" it?

Really guy? REALLY?

EDIT FYI MaxPC's Zero point rig is - "Our current desktop test bed consists of a hexa-core 3.2GHz Core i7-3930K 3.8GHz, 8GB of Corsair DDR3/1600, on an Asus Sabertooth X79 motherboard. We are running a GeForce GTX 690, an OCZ Vertex 3 SSD, and 64-bit Windows 7 Professional."

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Cregan89

I made an assumption. This thing uses top of the line server grade hardware, the zero point is a baseline for consumer grade hardware (which I've seen get beaten in multiple product reviews). You'd literally have a tough time building a system more powerful than this thing, you have to go into extremely exotic hardware or way over the top configurations (like 4 way SLI in the dream machine for example).

And according to the specs you've listed, my assumption was correct. 12 core, 1866 ECC RAM, dual FirePro cards, PCI-Express SSD. Soo yeah, REALLY. Guy.

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Cregan89

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LatiosXT

I believe of all Mac systems, the Mac Pro is actually the hardest to beat if you try to configure a similar setup. Besides, you're using server/workstation grade parts which already come with an insane markup.

I just can't wait for iFixit or someone to get their hands on one and tear it down to its bare components. And to see if that "unified thermal core" design actually works.

EDIT: You could configure a workstation with similar (I couldn't find a FirePro W9000 which is supposedly the same as a D700) for $7615 on Newegg, just for the motherboard, CPU, memory, storage (960GB though), and video cards (FirePro W8000 x2). So I'm willing to bet if you did match it up, including case and PSU, it'd be close to $8500.

So yeah, Apple Tax maybe in force on the higher end model.

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DeltaFIVEengineer

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that Apple's hardware engineers know what they're doing and the unified thermal core design works. I can't see them releasing these machines based on a flawed design principle.

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kevaskous

You mean like their not too long gone Mac Book Pro's that had everything from GPU's to mobo's burn up over lack of thermal cooling properties given up in the name of aesthetics? Oh wait..

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Exarkun1138

No thanks. First off, that case looks stupid. Secondly, I could put together a system FAR FAR less expensive using the same hardware, with a better, more functional case, and not drop almost 10k for something like that! And, I would run the superior Windows 7 Ultimate over the latest Mac OSX, which sucks.

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erriwin

Good luck with that buddy: The processor runs about ~$2600, the ECC RAM another ~$1000, the PCI-E 1TB SSD another ~$1000, and the graphics cards, identical in specs to a Firepro w9000, about ~$3000 each. And those are just the heavy hitters: so, if you were to try to build one yourself, you would be very hard pressed to do so without spending MORE.

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DeltaFIVEengineer

You're right. Those giant rectangles adorned with Autozone LED lights are a much more attractive option.

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Cregan89

First of all, no way you could put together a system "FAR FAR" less expensive using the same hardware. A comparable SSD costs $1000 by itself. Cheaper? Maybe. But definitely not "FAR FAR" cheaper.

Second, "that case looks stupid" and "better, more functional case"... Really? That entire case is smaller than most Mini-ITX cases, and it provides adequate cooling and is apparently practically silent. Nobody MANUFACTURES a case better than that!

I'm not a fan of Apple, but give credit where credit is due. That thing is a masterpiece of industrial design.

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appleroxinhouston

When apple makes anything, price is not taken into consideration. All they strive for is perfection and the pinnacle of design. Yes, all of Apple's products are priced far higher than competitors. However, the amount of work and ideas that went into any of their products is extreme. The look of the chassis is great to me, and functionality is very superb for a case of this size. Also, many media editors find OSX to be extremely effective and functional for their own uses. Also, OSX is more efficient than Windows and when running the same hardware is faster than a Windows system. Yes, I agree that Windows is superior in many other areas like gaming and compatibility, as I am a Windows guy myself. However, Apple is still in the lead is certain areas of the computer industry.

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LatiosXT

"Also, OSX is more efficient than Windows and when running the same hardware is faster than a Windows system"

This is what gets me. Can you quantify this in any way, shape, or form?

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appleroxinhouston

In all benchmarks that I've seen comparing an Apple computer/device to another Windows computer with equivalent hardware, the Apple always wins.

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steven4570

that depends, while in some cases this may be true(though i doubt by that much), the real world users would be comparing price for price. 2grand pc vs a 2grand mac...the mac isnt going to win that.

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Engelsstaub

I like OS X better than Windows for a lot of reasons...but it has little to do with efficiency. I'd have a hard time making the Efficiency Argument post-Snow Leopard. It seems IME that OS X is getting more "Windows-like" bloat with each new OS.

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LatiosXT

The other problem is defining "bloat". A lot of the features added between NT5 (2000, XP) and NT6 (Vista to 8) that improve security or add nice features or whatever don't come free.

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Engelsstaub

That's a fair point.