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 Post subject: Looking to build my 1st Gaming PC
PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:30 am 
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Hi folks,

I have finally decided to upgrade from my AMD athalon XP 2800 / geforce 5500fx system as it looks to be showing its age for today’s games.

I currently play World of Warcraft (the only PC game I play right now) and I want a system that will allow me to play it at resolutions greater than 1024 x 768 and at full anti-aliasing and max graphics. I want to keep my budget at close to $600 as possible. Since I don't delve in the hardware market that often, I do realize that my gaming desires may exceed my budget and I may have to sacrifice one for the other (gaming desires not budget).

I intend to reuse my keyboard, mouse, 19" Viewsonic LCD, hard drives, and CD drives. The hard drives I will update at a later time, but the other stuff is all in great shape.

I have looked around at Newegg and I have pieced together the following. Please tell me if all these components will play nicely together or if I have some incompatible parts. Also, if you have some suggestions that will boost my playing power, but not kill my budget, please post those also.

Here is my proposed setup, I am looking at the dual channel thing for the RAM, does it make a difference?


Asus A8N-5x MB $92.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131569

AMD Athalon 64 3200 $169.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103535

BFG Tech Geforce 6600GTOCX $194.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814143026

Aerocool Magic 3D-SV Case $59.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811196008

Aspire ATX-CW500WP4 Power Supply $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817148027


Patriot 2x512 dual channel memory 72.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220037


86.00
169.00
194.00
59.00
39.99
72.99
620.98 + Shipping

Please help me out folks.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:21 am 
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that's aweful expensive for a base card.

if you want a lot of power (given your experience), there's this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814150118
bout as fast as a 6800ultra, for $205

if you want enough power, there's this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814127176
x800, for $107 after rebate.

x800s are 12 pipe, and run pretty well this is much cheaper, and faster than the 6600GT you picked. 6600GT's are really hampered by the memory interface - it's half that of the higher end picks - the 6800 and x800. 8 pipes while quick, also dont help much, and while equal to the fill rate of a 6800 vanilla, it's less than the x800.

would also recommend this board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813136160
the DFI DAGF (aka infinity) as given the parts you've selected, it's ripe for overclocking. The DAGF is well known to budget oc'ers


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:14 pm 
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Anyone else have any suggestions?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:22 pm 
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you don't need that 500W PSU, 400W or 450W works


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:52 pm 
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while 500watts is more than enough, i'm betting a brand like aspire really only delivers about 350.


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The man that you need to talk to about your dual channel Memory is One4yu2c. I'll go ahead and suggest that dual channel has to do with using 2 Sticks to get the same amount of memory as a single chip. I will also further speculate in saying that by each stick having it's own channel, it allows for more available Bandwidth. Hence there are less bottlenecks and your memory can be free to do what it does. This is all just a guess though. I have never gone to school for this. The final word should be had by either Beomagi, or One4yu2c.


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Remember Will's article about MMO's? Recall what he wrote about tweaking your system for them? Having lots of RAM and a powerful CPU is more important than having a powerful graphics card.

On page 32 of the May 2005 issue of MaximumPC, he wrote "Having lots of system memory is crucial. Make sure your rig sports at least 1GB of RAM. Some MMO games will use as much as 2GB of RAM, if you have it; so don't skimp... Most of today's MMO games are severely CPU limited. Unless you have a videocard older than an ATI Radeon 9700, we recommend upgrading your CPU before your videocard."


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:14 am 
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Get a "better" psu. Don't go buy rated wattage as much as buy quality. I'm using a SeaSonic S12-380 and really like it. You might want to look into an Antec TruePower or Neo.

Try this!!!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817103927
It even has 4 SATA connectors!!! My S12-380 only has 2, which are both in use already. :(


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:25 pm 
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DdogonGod wrote:
Get a "better" psu. Don't go buy rated wattage as much as buy quality. I'm using a SeaSonic S12-380 and really like it. You might want to look into an Antec TruePower or Neo.

Try this!!!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817103927
It even has 4 SATA connectors!!! My S12-380 only has 2, which are both in use already. :(


Ok, I like that PSU, but I have a new question. I am re-using my PATA drives for right now. Will that PSU have power connectors for my drives? Are there converter connectors to go from SATA to PATA? My budget is driving this so getting a new drive at this time is probrably not possible.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:44 pm 
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There are no SATA to PATA adaptors however there are still enough power plugs for your devices. You are also fully capable of using your current PATA drives be it CD-ROM or HDDs.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:57 am 
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OCNoob wrote:
Remember Will's article about MMO's? Recall what he wrote about tweaking your system for them? Having lots of RAM and a powerful CPU is more important than having a powerful graphics card.

On page 32 of the May 2005 issue of MaximumPC, he wrote "Having lots of system memory is crucial. Make sure your rig sports at least 1GB of RAM. Some MMO games will use as much as 2GB of RAM, if you have it; so don't skimp... Most of today's MMO games are severely CPU limited. Unless you have a videocard older than an ATI Radeon 9700, we recommend upgrading your CPU before your videocard."


My Vid card is a Geforce 5500FX so I dont know what that equates to in the ATI world, but my current system is an Athalon XP 2800 and I do have 1 gig of PC3200 ram.
If I play WOW on mid range settings, with a 1024x768 resolution, 16bit x 1 sampling, and no AI, My frame rates are in the 16 - 20 range and the game is "playable". If I go up on any settings, the frame rates go down.

My system is using over 4+ year old technology to play a game that is not overly graphically intensive by today's standards, but I know that the next game I get on will be more than likely more demanding of my system, so I want to be ready for it as much as possible. That is why I looked at the parts I have listed.

Another question about Power Supplies, The recommended one above from ANTEC, I know go for Quality before power rating, but I have to ask, is a 380W rated quality Antec product going to be able to power the parts I have listed as well as a creative Audiology soundcard, and 2 WD caviar PATA HDs, 2 PATA CD drives (one CDRW)? I have a few friends that work in the IT field and all have said go for at least a 400W PSU. I know 380 is close, but it is not 400W.

I do thank everyone for all the responses so far, you have made me rethink some things and I am sure it is for the best.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:00 am 
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A lot of todays PSU's are rated (read tested) under ideal conditions, so if the rating is for 400w, in reality under a normal load it will probably only produce about 75-85% of that (350w-360w), and if you start putting some real demand on it, and/or it gets hot, it will output even less.

If you go for a name brand PSU, that has a more realistic testing method (PCP&C) you will get a lot closer to it's actual rating. But you will also be paying for the quality.

I'm a PSU junky, self-proclaimed. I would go for an Antec 500-550w PSU with your budget (or an PCP&C PSU if you can afford).


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:37 am 
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if you wanna save money, but want more power, there's
coolmax 450
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817159031
fsp 450
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817104954
enermax 420
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817103459
coolermaster's 450 aclx (not the acly that max pc reviewed)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817171005
antec 500
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817103937
this is what i'd pick, i understand the need of a good psu, but hate the expense associates with em usually. These would easily handle your needs though.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:19 am 
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Using JS Custom Systems Power Supply Wattage Calculator, they need 295 watts minimum. Just to be safe, this power supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817103928 should do great!


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:37 am 
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Hey, that rating I just posted seemed low so I tried a nother one. This one seems more reasonable. It said your psu should be 393.5 watts minimum. The psu I suggested above would be great!


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:24 pm 
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Thanks for the suggestions on PSUs. I think I am gonna go with the Antec 500 that Beomagi suggested.

I am also thinking about this Vid card as suggested abovehttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127176#DetailSpecs. The Motherboard I have has Nvidia Nforce 4 on the north bridge. If Get the Radeon based vid card will there be any conflicits between this and the Nforce4, or would there be a benefit to getting a MB that has Radeon "stuff" on the north bridge? If so, does anyone have a suggestions for a MB that is comaprable Price and preformance wise to the one I have selected, only for the Radeon insted?


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 7:34 pm 
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Yea, that psu looks great! It's modular!!!!! :D

I don't see why you would have any problems with the northbridge video card. If there was a compatible issue with 'brands', nVidia will definitely get a lotta' heat. I wouldn't be too worried.


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