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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:52 pm 
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$1300 cheaper then a similar build? No offense, but your building skills need to be brushed up it seems. DDR3 1066 is really cheap, I'm sure the PSU sucks... yeah. Ok, so I'm being pretty negative... but you could have just posted here before buying it you know...


You may have overlooked some things in my statement in your rush to say my building skills need to be brushed up on.

1. The system comes with a 22" .2ms widescreen monitor. Which, at the time I purchased this, were going for about $225 for the least expensive. Mine would have been $250 if purchased separately

2. The price was better than when trying to piece build my own rigs, they came up to almost the same price not including the monitor, so I decided to have one that came with a warranty.


I spent more than 3 months looking at all the different possible hardware setups and cost vs benefit, getting the best bang for my buck and there was no way that I could find to build it cheaper when including the monitor.

As for your "I'm sure the PSU sucks" statement. I have had no problems with it so far. The system is extremely stable, and if there is, that is what an on site warranty is for. I don't send it to them, they come to me. Also, your blanket statement of "The second you change a part, BAM, there goes the warranty." is not correct. Upgrades purchased through the manufacturer can be included in a warranty as long as arrangements are made to do so.

Maybe next time you should gather a little information before rushing to judgment.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:18 am 
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$1300 cheaper then a similar build? No offense, but your building skills need to be brushed up it seems. DDR3 1066 is really cheap, I'm sure the PSU sucks... yeah. Ok, so I'm being pretty negative... but you could have just posted here before buying it you know...


You may have overlooked some things in my statement in your rush to say my building skills need to be brushed up on.

1. The system comes with a 22" .2ms widescreen monitor. Which, at the time I purchased this, were going for about $225 for the least expensive. Mine would have been $250 if purchased separately

2. The price was better than when trying to piece build my own rigs, they came up to almost the same price not including the monitor, so I decided to have one that came with a warranty.


I spent more than 3 months looking at all the different possible hardware setups and cost vs benefit, getting the best bang for my buck and there was no way that I could find to build it cheaper when including the monitor.

As for your "I'm sure the PSU sucks" statement. I have had no problems with it so far. The system is extremely stable, and if there is, that is what an on site warranty is for. I don't send it to them, they come to me. Also, your blanket statement of "The second you change a part, BAM, there goes the warranty." is not correct. Upgrades purchased through the manufacturer can be included in a warranty as long as arrangements are made to do so.

Maybe next time you should gather a little information before rushing to judgment.

That is exactly what I was trying to tell him but you said it a whole lot better lol, I DID forget to mention the fact that they come to your house for the warranty problems.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:44 pm 
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Everything in this build is as good or better then a Studio XPS 435MT:
LG DVD+R burner:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827136167
LiteOn DVD-ROM Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827106275
Bytecc 3.5" Card Reader:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820192021
CM Elite 335:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811119161
750GB HDD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822152099
Core i7 920:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819115202
6GB DDR3 1333:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820148247
MSI X58M:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813130227
Antec 430W PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817371023
Sapphire Radeon HD 4850:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814102824
Logitech Keyboard and mouse combo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6823126017
HannsG 22" Monitor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6824254035
TOTAL: $1015.83
Any questions?
also, I checked out the Dell approved upgrades- they're scary expensive.
But its also a matter of personal experience- every time I've bought an OEM machine, its been a disaster. I have no desire to give Dell or HP or whatever a single dollar now that I can build my own.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:47 pm 
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You forgot an OS. With Vista Home Basic, that's 1200. If you go OEM, it's a bit cheaper, though.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:04 pm 
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I was thinking Win7 RC- better OS for nothing now, still cheaper when you pay $100 for the OEM Home Basic in June 2010.


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While this is true, the PC he bought came with Vista. Not everyone likes to play with Beta/ RC products. The point is, your is still just as good or better for 100 bucks less. However, his comes with a better warranty.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:50 pm 
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Like I said, its a matter of preference. If the nice no-leg-work warranty is worth $100 to you, I respect and understand that. I'm just showing that that is not in fact that best deal for that hardware set. OEM's will never be able to match newegg builds in price above the $500 mark IMO. They have to pay employees and make money. Newegg, on the other hand, has very few employees to pay, no huge and complex facilities to maintain... and so on. The worst newegg has is the rent on their three warehouses.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:41 pm 
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Spartacus wrote:
Everything in this build is as good or better then a Studio XPS 435MT:
LG DVD+R burner:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827136167
LiteOn DVD-ROM Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827106275
Bytecc 3.5" Card Reader:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820192021
CM Elite 335:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811119161
750GB HDD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822152099
Core i7 920:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819115202
6GB DDR3 1333:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820148247
MSI X58M:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813130227
Antec 430W PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817371023
Sapphire Radeon HD 4850:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814102824
Logitech Keyboard and mouse combo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6823126017
HannsG 22" Monitor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6824254035
TOTAL: $1015.83
Any questions?
also, I checked out the Dell approved upgrades- they're scary expensive.
But its also a matter of personal experience- every time I've bought an OEM machine, its been a disaster. I have no desire to give Dell or HP or whatever a single dollar now that I can build my own.



Only one question: Did you magically go back in time to compare these prices?

With the way prices change from day to day in the PC markets, you can not seriously expect to compare prices today with something purchased four months ago.

Also, like one of the other posters stated. You can not compare a free RC to purchased OS.

But, regardless what I or others say, you keep living in that lil world of yours where you are undeniably right, and we the sheeple, will stay out of your way.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:45 pm 
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remember, I'm an enthusiast, so I'm always checking up on prices.
four months ago the only differences were this:
mobo wasn't around- X58 Pro-E is $20 more.
4850 was $20 more
the DDR3 was actually $5 cheaper at the time, plus that's DDR3 1333 as opposed to the 430MT's 1066.
still doesn't come close to making up the difference.
oh, and when micro center has the 920 in stock, they sell it for around $230, even as long as eight months ago.
Go on, hate me. That's fine. I think I've made my point.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:48 pm 
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You also left out a 2.1 channel speaker set. The parts you have listed are all on par with the Dell's, and, surprisingly enough, so is the price. If you add in the Vista OS, the speakers, and the shipping from the Egg, anyway, the price is damned near even.

What you said in your last post is true. However, don't forget that Dell, HP, and the like buy parts in bulk, and get much cheaper prices than what you or I would pay at say MicroCenter or Newegg.

The bottom line is that he did his homework, and got a machine from a Manu equal to what you just parted out from the Egg, for the same price, and with a no-leg-work warranty. He may not be able to overclock it as far, but someone who buys a rig OEM usually doesn't want to do that anyway.

Now, I personally wouldn't buy a Dell either due to the warranty and customer service stories I've heard in the past. I'd rather have a leg work warranty and only replace one part at a time. That doesn't mean I need to go forcing my opinion on the guy that building from the Egg is better.

As far as your opinion about matching Newegg builds above 500 bucks, in this case you're wrong. You should learn to open your mind a little bit and do some research. Nowadays, honestly, a lot of computer builds between OEM's and Newegg are equal in price and parts. It all comes down to that customer service experience, and the warranty horror stories, and if you want to deal with them or not.

Companies like Dell and HP have been in business a long time because they build products at competitive prices, and for the most part they last. When you're building that many machines a day, you're bound to get a certain percentage that will fail. It's a given. If they were building crap that didn't work, or didn't last, they would have gone out of business oh so long ago, like so many other companies have. Look at the Free Clinic section of our forums. Apparently hardware manufacturers have no better failure rate than Dell or HP does. Otherwise that section of our forums would be far smaller, right?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:57 pm 
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ok. That's fine. I'm gona sound like Logan here for a while, and no offense to him either, he's quite right in this respect. What bothers me is blanket statements. I made one with the $500 Price-point thing, and was wrong. Fair enough. I'll Move on. But when people go around saying "this is better. Period" it bugs me. that's all. I showed that building certainly was an option, and who wouldn't on these forums? You don't go around on MaxPC's forums talknig about how this prebuilt is going to always be better value then a build. You can say that on Dell's forums. You can say that on PCWorld's forums. I don't care, you can say anything you want. But you can't say the same thing everytime and be right every time. Take the help build/buy forum. The regulars there really know what they're talking about, and really know the variables for what the poster needs. You never see the same rig twice. Sure, there are go-to parts, but its not like you see those parts in every build list.

Like I said, if you think the warranty is worth the 50 or so dollars saved building, so be it. That's fine with me, I understand it, I don't have a problem with it. After all, if you're always afraid you'll say something that's wrong, you'll never make a useful post. Live and learn.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:22 am 
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Spartacus wrote:
What bothers me is blanket statements. I made one with the $500 Price-point thing, and was wrong. Fair enough. I'll Move on. But when people go around saying "this is better. Period" it bugs me. that's all.


With that in mind, let’s look at the following excerpts taken from applicable posts in this thread:

BirdDude007: From what I understand Sams has the best warranty out there. This is from his point of view or understanding and it could or could not be fact. It certainly compares to other extended warranties I have seen and used and overall looks to protect the customer.

Spartacus: your building skills need to be brushed up it seems. Seeing as how you know nothing of my "building skills" This post overall Fails. Maybe a better statement could have been "your shopping skills need to be brushed up it seems." that would be more accurate.

BirdDude007: there are crooked deals going with EVERY company. Conjecture on the poster's part, although everyone is out to make a buck so maybe some are more crooked than others.

Spartacus: power users, they will save a lot of money building a fast desktop then buying a prebuilt. Not true in a lot of cases. Especially if you compare EXACT compatible components.

Spartacus: Becuase guess what? The second you change a part, BAM, there goes the warranty. Again not true in a lot of cases. Upgrades/part exchanges can be made part of your warranty.

Spartacus: OEM's will never be able to match newegg builds in price above the $500 mark IMO. A valid statement because you pointed out it is only your opinion and not fact.

So the tally of blanket statements:

BirdDude007 (2) 1 is his opinion or understanding and one is stated as fact and might be wrong.

Spartacus (4) 1 is his opinion or understanding and 3 are stated as fact and might be wrong.

It seems the main person making "blanket statements" in this thread is Spartacus. Nowhere in this post has anyone said that a Dell pre-built was better than a custom build. What has been said is that the pre-builts have been working fine for those who purchased them. That is the opinion of the purchasers. The only person that has expected that what they say be right every time is you.

The sad thing here is that the intent of this thread was to show that for once, two of the big names that normally do not do a great job with customers, namely Sam's Club and Dell have done a good job this time. No where was it indicated that a less expensive custom build was needed or wanted. That is not the intent of the Dog Pound forum unless I am mistaken. A post like that should go in the Help Me Build / Help Me Buy forum which if you look at these posts:

http://www.maximumpc.com/forums/viewtop ... highlight=

http://www.maximumpc.com/forums/viewtop ... highlight=

http://www.maximumpc.com/forums/viewtop ... highlight=

you can see that I am no stranger to that forum. The fact is that I have indeed built every PC that I have ever owned with the exception of my 1st Tandy 1000tx and this system from Dell. Most have not been systems for gaming, rather they have been production systems. The components are a little different for that kind of work.

Your main fault is not posting your own blanket statements. No, your main fault is making an unsolicited post in the wrong forum.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:39 am 
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ok. But I admit I may be wrong sometimes. I don't just do that right away, I have to be shown that this was definitely wrong before I believe it. I was shown to be wrong a few times, and yes, I was wrong. but forums are for discussions, expressing your opinions and hearing the opinions of others.. Arguments will be a part of them. If you don't like it, you're free to leave. But I guess I forgot you have no faults. My bad.


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