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 Post subject: Heatsink Compound is Frowned Upon for Swapping CPUs
PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:32 am 
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http://www.aliceandbill.com/2004/08/swapping-cpus.html

Swapping CPUs?
Did you know that heatsink compound is frowned upon for long-term use? While considered fine if you'll be swapping CPUs on a regular basis, apparently the compound can break down over time and provide an uneven contact surface. The preferred substance is thermal pads. Added bonus: thermal pads won't accidentally wipe off on your fingers and stain the couch.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:08 pm 
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:o but arent thermal pads a little too thick?

and... after thermal pads melt, cant they still stain your hands?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:20 pm 
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Thermal pads are a pain to clean once used and can't keep up (performancewise) with thermal compound such as Arctic Silver 5. I frown upon thermal pad recommendations in an Overclocker's Corner folder.

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Not the industrial stuff...


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maxx wrote:
Not the industrial stuff...


Industrial thermal pads?

::Wonders the last time a retail CPU came with an industrial pad::

EDIT:
::No longer wonders::


Last edited by One4yu2c on Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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One4yu2c wrote:
Industrial thermal pads?

::Wonders the last time a retail CPU came with an industrial pad::


I think he means Industrial Thermal Compound.


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TWBalls wrote:
One4yu2c wrote:
Industrial thermal pads?

::Wonders the last time a retail CPU came with an industrial pad::


I think he means Industrial Thermal Compound.


In that case, I no longer wonder, as evidenced by my Edit 8)


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>>Did you know that heatsink compound is frowned upon for
>>long-term use?


I noticed this a long time ago.

I removed the thermal pad in my laptop back around Q1 2002 and replaced it with some AS3 and it only lasted about 4 months of heavy usage before breaking down. Once it finally did break down it kept tripping the lappy's thermal protection circuit shutting it down.

I replaced it with another thermal pad and it's been fine since.

I have yet to try the same experiment on my workstation.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:09 pm 
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I've see some of the cheaper pastes(radioshack goo) turn to powder in 9-10months(I'd get laughed at if I told you how I tested the radiocrap goo).

props goto ASII...the ASII on a voodoo3 w/lapped blorb(over 3½yrs, o/c'ed for 2yrs) still hasn't dried out :D

AS5 seems to be holding up so far on a tualatin celeron 1.2 at 1.6


most amazing thermal paste I ever saw came out of a P133 gateway from 95' 96', still moist :shock:


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Also of note: Not all silver paste has any silver in it at all.
http://www.overclockers.com/articles938/
OCZ and Coolermaster now have Arctic Silver supply their paste to them.

Lost Circuits
"we have argued that there is very little difference between cod liver oil and arctic silver"

"even if the solutions we brew up in our own labs worked during the average testing period, there was no guarantee that the consistency would remain unaltered during a prolonged period of use, something to keep in mind especially for OEM applications. A case in point is the so-called creeping of silicon-based compounds that, after a few weeks of use can result in gaps in the thermal interface media (TIM) which then block thermal transfer."

Still, to the folks that remove the HS/F from the CPU at least once a year AC5 seems to be well worth the purchase price...Which the site doesn't argue. But to those that never take off the HS/F, I wonder who this article actually is aimed at. Ohhh! Good question! What's OEM's like Falcon use? Pads ya think? Someone with an Alienware...rip open your case and take a look. I'd love to know!

From AS's own site:
"the compound thickens slightly over the next 50 to 200 hours of use to its final consistency designed for long-term stability."
" Due to the unique shape and sizes of the particles in Arctic Silver 5's conductive matrix, it will take a up to 200 hours and several thermal cycles to achieve maximum particle to particle thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach maximum conductivity."

And for long term, it's hard to beat AS ceramique, or a mixture of it. You can't get me to use thermal pads on anything. Ok, you got me...memory. Other than that...oh, all right...video cards. Nothing else. Oh...
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Chumly wrote:
"Due to the unique shape and sizes of the particles in Arctic Silver 5's conductive matrix, it will take a up to 200 hours and several thermal cycles to achieve maximum particle to particle thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach maximum conductivity."


That's funny they put that kind of a spin on it, after about 200 hours my AS3 broke down a died a dried up death.


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Who the hell buys a heatsink with a thermal pad on it?


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i never leave my thermal paste on for more than a couple months anyways. i take my computer completely apart and clean the dust out of everything at least once every other month.


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Flytrap7 wrote:
Chumly wrote:
"Due to the unique shape and sizes of the particles in Arctic Silver 5's conductive matrix, it will take a up to 200 hours and several thermal cycles to achieve maximum particle to particle thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach maximum conductivity."


That's funny they put that kind of a spin on it, after about 200 hours my AS3 broke down a died a dried up death.
I also remember AS3 doing that, and usually re-applied at least once a month. AS5 is a different story though.


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I have an AMD 400MHz machine that I used generic thermal paste with and it's been running now for about 3 years after applying the paste.

And this machine is on 24/7.


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I think we have to ask ourselves what gamegirl was doing at www.aliceandbill.com. WTF??? why would we care about computer shopper when you can get off to maximumpc????


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Obviously thermal compound is what I meant, pads are a joke... good industrial compound is much denser, and copes with temperature changes better as well, and it never changes state, if it ever dries up and causes malfunctions in such devices as microwave signal up/down converters installed in telecommunications satellites or military submarines, the manufacturer can be liable for millions of dollars...


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I think we have to ask ourselves what gamegirl was doing at www.aliceandbill.com. WTF??? why would we care about computer shopper when you can get off to maximumpc????
Nah...just you have to ask ;)

Here's the scoop on GameGirl (AKA "Alice"):
http://www.maximumpc.com/forum/viewtopi ... ght=#21666

She's both Computer Shopper and MPC.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 11:49 am 
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Thanks for putting in the background info. http://www.maximumpc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=21666&highlight=#21666 Bill covers more of the processors and I wanted to make sure I credited him. I asked him to get on this board, but that's why I showed where we are from (aliceandbill.com). We are not on any Shopper boards. 100% Max PC and then our print column in Shopper. You can always bug George to steal us away from Shopper! :D


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 Post subject: Re: Heatsink Compound is Frowned Upon for Swapping CPUs
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:13 pm 
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GameGirl wrote:
http://www.aliceandbill.com/2004/08/swapping-cpus.html

Swapping CPUs?
Did you know that heatsink compound is frowned upon for long-term use? While considered fine if you'll be swapping CPUs on a regular basis, apparently the compound can break down over time and provide an uneven contact surface. The preferred substance is thermal pads. Added bonus: thermal pads won't accidentally wipe off on your fingers and stain the couch.

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frowned upon by? Maybe if you actually overclocked or put a serious load and saw the heat difference of thermal paste vs a craptastic thermal pad you will realize why most people don't use thermal pads. There performance is horrid. I almost could of swore this thread was a gimmick being how idiotic it sounded till i read more.


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