i Agree that my overclock is not incredible, but it runs very consistent. turn it on and forget type OC...
Allow me start this by saying that I didn't really mean to insult your OC, but rather point out a mathmatical flaw and defend a 250 FSB being pretty damned good. It just ended up a little backwards. But as far as a "turn it on and forget it type OC", EVERY oc should be that or it's unsuccesful. Those that are running at high clock speeds and still getting errors, should chalk it up as a failure.
But like i said earlier i wanting to know what others are getting out of their stock p4c with air cooling...in other[sic] words, us ameturs.
And I wouldn't be so quick to call air users amatures, in fact...water is almost cheating. I'd call those running big clock cycles on air to be the pros. HS/F's really have pretty high limits to them. But once someone gets water, it's seldom that they trash all the gear to use air again.
I may need another history lesson, but OC'ing came around in order to "peak ahead" into cpu speeds and to look at what is possible. A side effect that came about was that one could make a slower CPU run with the faster and more expensive cpu's. I got into this when a 500Mhz P3 set me back around $500, so it only made since to grab a celeron and get to run with the big dogs as close as possible. Anyway, I was trying to get at this: OC'ing is so much more than how to cool the CPU.
In the adventures of OC'ing, you'll run into a wall. You'll notice it when you have the same exact gear (at least at a glance) as someone else, but THEY have a better attempt. This is when you start diving into the steppings, SL #'s, Manufacturing country, timmings, voltages, and even as deep as replacing discrete devices on the board themselves. It's this threshold that amatures cross as they venture into the upper echelons of the ranks. And looking back, you can usually say, "hmphh...I could have gone this fast without spending all this money on a cooling rig. Oh well..."
A HS/F's job is to get heat off the proc and into the air as fast and effecient as possible, and they're doing it very well. It's when it pumps so much into the air that it begins to sit in it's own feces that I can really find a flaw with air units. All in all, water units can do the job more sanitary by moving the "feces" out of the area in a more controllable manner.
What have the Romans ever done for us? They've brought us better cooling methods