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 Post subject: Need advice on possible Q9550/650 ti/hd7850 bottleneck
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 1:39 pm 
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Wanting to finally do a GPU upgrade as I'm still using a SSC 9800 GTX+ (that's for sale btw) and wondering if you guys could shed some light on a possible bottleneck.
Currently still have the ole' trusty Q9550 @ 3.4GHz at 1.12v. I can easily OC it to 3.8 (1.16v) but I've had no reason to as of late.
Well, I'm considering a GTX 650 ti or a HD7850 for playable frame rates in newer games like FC3 and better electric bills via the 28nm architecture in both mentioned GPUs.
I'm not interested at all in the 650 ti Boost or a CPU upgrade at the present time so please don't mention them.

Monitor resolutions:
21" LCD pc monitor in bdr 1680X1050 (gaming, etc.)
television in living room via HDMI 1920X1080 (movies only)

So in short: Will a Q9550 @ 3.4GHz bottleneck a 650 ti or 7850 running 1680 X 1050?
Thanks for all the advice/replies.


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 Post subject: Re: Need advice on possible Q9550/650 ti/hd7850 bottleneck
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 1:47 pm 
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What's funny is Tom's Hardware benchmarked that against an i5-3750K but with a 7970. You can read the games part (overclocked, but it's all in one place) at http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ivy ... 87-18.html

I'm still going to say yes, you're going to get a bottleneck. It might not be much and it might depend on the game.


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 Post subject: Re: Need advice on possible Q9550/650 ti/hd7850 bottleneck
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 2:12 pm 
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Thanks for the link to the much needed article! Kudos to you LatiosXT for linking and Tom's for a very relevant article.
Many of us are still rocking the C2 architecture. This was a big help.

Any other opinions?


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 Post subject: Re: Need advice on possible Q9550/650 ti/hd7850 bottleneck
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 2:14 pm 
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I just did something similar to what you are trying to do.

I had a Q6600 and a 260 GTX and upgraded the video card to a 7870.

Far Cry 3 was playable with the 260 GTX but that was about it. Once I upgraded to the 7870 I was able to play FC3 @1920x1200 with most everything on its highest settings and get 30+ fps averages.


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 Post subject: Re: Need advice on possible Q9550/650 ti/hd7850 bottleneck
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 2:19 pm 
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I would get probably a GTX 650 or the Radeon equivalent (I don't keep up with these things anymore). They're $120ish and you're running a somewhat lower resolution. And the GTX 650 has no issues running games like Saint's Row The Third on high at 1080p smoothly.


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 Post subject: Re: Need advice on possible Q9550/650 ti/hd7850 bottleneck
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 3:15 pm 
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Thanks LatiosXT and Satchboy. I'm thinking 7850 and maybe a little gpu overclock. Appreciate the info!


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 Post subject: Re: Need advice on possible Q9550/650 ti/hd7850 bottleneck
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 3:16 pm 
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One more thing.

Satchboy:

Was it difficult going from nvidia drivers, etc. to ati/amd on your GTX260 to 7870 swap?
Thanks, ddforrester


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 Post subject: Re: Need advice on possible Q9550/650 ti/hd7850 bottleneck
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 3:57 pm 
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No problem switching.

Just uninstall the drivers first then install the new card and drivers.


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 Post subject: Re: Need advice on possible Q9550/650 ti/hd7850 bottleneck
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 4:00 pm 
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Satchboy wrote:
No problem switching.

Just uninstall the drivers first then install the new card and drivers.

And that's all you really should do. Maybe a registry cleanup from CCleaner too, but not necessary.

There are people out there who will tell you things like turn off your firewall and anti-virus and stuff. We're living in 2013, if the vendors haven't figured out how to install drivers without bypassing a bunch of shit, they should be avoided you know.


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 Post subject: Re: Need advice on possible Q9550/650 ti/hd7850 bottleneck
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 9:45 pm 
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I am still running a 9550 as well, went from a 260/216 to a 560ti for a quick upgrade, then gave the 560 to my son and upped the card to a 570 classified and went to 8gig of memory at the same time. I have seen no problems with bottlenecking of anything and I run most of the latest games.


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 Post subject: Re: Need advice on possible Q9550/650 ti/hd7850 bottleneck
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 8:22 pm 
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Okay, here are the results.
Bear with me as I have not purchased any newer games lately as I was running an aged 9800gtx+.

System specs:
OS: Windows 7 64-bit
CPU: Q9550 2.833GHz 1.25v @ 3.4GHz 1.12v
Mobo: Asus P5Q-Pro
RAM: 4GB (4X1GB) Corsair DHX 4-4-4-12 @ 800MHz
HDD: several (all SATA 3GB/s running via HDTune at about 105 to 110 mb/s)
PSU: Corsair TX750
Monitor: Spectre @ 1680X1050 60Hz
GPU(s): EVGA 9800GTX+ SSC 512MB @ 756MHz (bought back in '09?)
MSI GTX 650ti 1GB @ 980MHz (new)
XFX HD7850 1GB @ 860MHz (new)

Alright. For the quick answer: no. The Q9550 at 3.4GHz doesn't bottleneck either of the new cards at 1680X1050.
This is not to say a newer system with an i5/i7 or even an i3 (in the Tom's article linked above from LatiosXT) wouldn't have substantially higher frame rates. But it's what I got. :wink:
Like I stated earlier I haven't had the gpu umph to run any of the newer games so I haven't bought any.
The most demanding in my library with a built-in benchmarking tool was Far Cry 2. I know, old, right?

Well, I received the GTX 650ti from Newegg on Tuesday. Immediately after the install I decided to fold a few work units on it. When I suspended folding back in the mid summer 2010 the 9800GTX+ was netting about 7 to 7.5k PPD. As I skipped over the whole Fermi generation I was anxious to see what the Kepler series cards could do. A few moments into the first work unit the 650ti was showing about 17.5k PPD. Wow! Huge gain over the 9800GTX. It was hard but I left for work and came home later on. Then the fun began!

Yesterday, the kind UPS man dropped off another box. This time it was the HD7850. Yeehaw. Let the battle commence!

First things first, right?

Here's some pictures of the exact GPUs I am talking about here.

EVGA 9800GTX+ 512MB
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MSI GTX650ti 1GB
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XFX HD7850 1GB
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Windows Experience Scores:
Q9550: 7.4 calculations/second, 7.4 memory operations/second
9800GTX+: 5.9 graphics, 6.4 gaming
GTX 650ti: 7.5 graphics, 7.5 gaming
HD7850: 7.9 graphics, 7.9 gaming

Aquamark3:
What a joke. I really need to shelve this benchmark. The results were useless.

Far Cry2 Benchmark:
1680X1050, Small Ranch, optimal, bloom: on, d3d10, 3 runs
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Unigine Heaven v4 Benchmark:
1680X1050, d3d11, high quality, normal tessellation
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Temps (Celcius - fans running at 75%):
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Now the 9800GTX+ probably has some dust in her so temps are a little high as I haven't blown the card out in a couple months. :oops:

Power Draw (via Kill-A-Watt meter):
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I'm not sure why there was less power draw on all cards when running the Heaven bench compared to the FC2 bench. :?:

Thanks for reading. I just wanted to let you all know the results!
Okay, nuf of this. Now off to game. Thanks again guys for all your help!


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