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 Post subject: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:37 pm 
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But I swear my ISP(AT&T) is pulling a fast one on me.

I'll do a speed check and get results just as advertised, a hair under 5 mbps down. But if I start downloading a big file from the internet and throttle it down to a slow 100kbps with a manager, it starts registering as >3mbps. And no, I don't have any viruses and I'm the only one active on the network.

I have noticed this on other people's connections too, am I just paranoid or is there some weird throttling going on?


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:32 pm 
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Actual download speed depends on server as well. I won't ask where you're downloading from, but if it's the same speed on the same site but on different internet connections, it's most likely the server.


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:44 am 
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What if you download something from a place that you know should be fast? Maybe download a 20mb attachment from Gmail (assumin GMail lets you download at full speed).


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:15 am 
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No nonono. I'm saying that my bandwidth appears to be fake. When I'm only using 100kbps, it looks like I'm using 1Mbps.


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:16 am 
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Are you sure you're not confusing bytes per second with bits per second?


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:20 am 
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Yea, downloads show speed in kilobytes/sec. I think ISPs show their speed in kilobits/sec. Right?


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:21 pm 
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I'll do a proper scientific test soon.


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:44 pm 
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I"M NOT CRAZY, MY ISP IS SCREWING ME OVER!

Base test: 4.93 Mpbs Down
With a download of a video limited to 100KBps: 2.47 down, 100 ping.

Obviously, they have some kind of weird throttle on it. Now what do I do about it? Or did I overlook something?


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:59 pm 
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Again, it could be the server. If you're running something like SpeedTest and it's getting consistent/expected results, then it's not your ISP.


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:03 pm 
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You don't get it.

I'm running a speedtest with no load on my system, 4.98 MBps down, as expected. But when I put a very small load on the system, precisely 100Kbps of bandwidth, my speed drops through the floor, something isn't right.


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:32 am 
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The Corrupted One wrote:
You don't get it.

I'm running a speedtest with no load on my system, 4.98 MBps down, as expected. But when I put a very small load on the system, precisely 100Kbps of bandwidth, my speed drops through the floor, something isn't right.


wait a sec, I just re-read the OP. So, you throttle yourself, and you get a wrong reading?? Maybe the speed is not being read right. How about in regular life? Do you have any problems just using the net, downloading without throttling it yourself?


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:15 pm 
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phillyj wrote:
The Corrupted One wrote:
You don't get it.

I'm running a speedtest with no load on my system, 4.98 MBps down, as expected. But when I put a very small load on the system, precisely 100Kbps of bandwidth, my speed drops through the floor, something isn't right.


wait a sec, I just re-read the OP. So, you throttle yourself, and you get a wrong reading?? Maybe the speed is not being read right. How about in regular life? Do you have any problems just using the net, downloading without throttling it yourself?

No, If I throttle a single download to 100kbps, and then do an external speedtest of my whole net, another 500kbps of bandwitdth that shouldn't be being used disappears down the toilet, which wasn't a problem when I did a test with no load earlier. I'm explaining it pretty well.


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:44 am 
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Not really... I can interpret this in two ways. Computer A is downloading something and you've throttled the download manager to limit it to 100KB/s. Then you use either...
  • Computer B to run SpeedTest.net, and it's not getting the bandwidth it should be.
  • Computer A to run SpeedTest.net, and it's not getting the bandwidth it should be getting

If you're still using Computer A, I would suspect the download manager is mucking with the computer's network stack. If it's computer B, then I would download something with Computer B WITHOUT using a download manager or throttling and test SpeedTest.net with Computer A. If you're still having bandwidth issues, then it's probably the router. If not, then install said download manager, run the same test but with Computers A and B swapped, and if it still happens, go find a new download manager or don't use one.


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:08 pm 
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Oh never mind, it's just that my ISP is throttling my connection on the sly, I'll take it with them, and I could probably go to court if I can confirm it.


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:36 am 
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The Corrupted One wrote:
Oh never mind, it's just that my ISP is throttling my connection on the sly, I'll take it with them, and I could probably go to court if I can confirm it.


How did you find out? Without proof, maybe they will deny it? or blame your side for the problems?


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:07 am 
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Considering that you can get high speed without use of a download manager, your case will be thrown out immediately.

Also riddle me this... what is the download manager anyway?


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:04 pm 
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You still don't get it...... I'm gonna do some more technical tests, but the idea it this: When my net is unloaded, I get 5 mbps down. If I put a tiny, tiny controlled load on it (using a download manager to control it) the connection quality from the same external test drops like a rock. It's as if there is a whole 1 mbps of bandwidth that isn't there.


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:17 pm 
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Again, you don't have a case if you can get the advertised speed. And you can't measure bandwidth if the network is "unloaded." Unloaded implies no data transfer.


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:45 pm 
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He's having a non-existent problem, from my understanding. Why don't you go watch a youtube video, download a file, load up a few webpages all at once. You should have a big problem if you got a 5 Mb/s connection, like you stated above.

Where are you getting your numbers from in the first place?


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 Post subject: Re: I might just be crazy....
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:57 pm 
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Fine, I give up, I'll experiment on my own.


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