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 Post subject: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:23 am 
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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/AFmj

I honestly think its perfect but i'd be able to negotiate, I don't live by a microcenter sadly.
I want to overclock and run games like skyrim with lots of mods at max.


Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $219.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard $148.98 @ SuperBiiz
Memory Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $43.99 @ Newegg
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $69.98 @ Outlet PC
Storage PNY XLR8 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk $90.75 @ Amazon
Video Card Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card $379.99 @ Newegg
Case Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (White) ATX Mid Tower Case $99.99 @ Microcenter
Power Supply SeaSonic 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply $79.99 @ Amazon
Optical Drive Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer $16.98 @ Outlet PC
Monitor BenQ GW2450 24.0" Monitor $159.99 @ Best Buy
Keyboard Cooler Master Storm Quick Fire Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard $74.99 @ Newegg
Mouse Logitech G500 Wired Laser Mouse $54.78 @ Amazon
Other Thermalright True Spirit 140 $49.90
Total
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. $1476.30
Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-31 12:16 EST-0500


Some insight on my choices.. was looking at the msi z77-gd55 but I saw this gigabyte one being able to oc higher and overall a better mobo.
cheap 1.35v DDR3-1600 ram, where can u go wrong xD especially when its 30$ worth of ram since i get the 14$ discount with my 7970.
was looking at the antec on sale.. but i really want a modular one so I went with this one
i was looking at an ips monitor like a http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-vs239hp, but I saw http://pcpartpicker.com/part/benq-monitor-gw2450 looked cheaper and overall better xD
mouse and keyboard looked good for my hands with cherry brown switches :]

also was trying to make it cheaper so i was thinking downgrading to a g400 there like the same as the g500 and downgrading to a 7950 since its just 1 monitor.. like a http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-v ... d-1003522l


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:57 am 
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cpu cooler? oops at the bottom, didnt see it.


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:02 am 
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saipan wrote:
cpu cooler? oops at the bottom, didnt see it.


ya at first i was thinking of a noctua 14 then i saw king K recommend another just as good for 30$ cheaper


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:09 am 
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That's a damn good build. Nicely done! I'd look to kick it up to 2TB and consider spending a tiny bit more for a faster ssd. If you're pinching pennies look to ebay, and the Samsung 830 too! Ahhh, the real work still sits before you, since you need to land on 1-2 vendors, not 7!


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:43 am 
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kleinkinstein wrote:
That's a damn good build. Nicely done! I'd look to kick it up to 2TB and consider spending a tiny bit more for a faster ssd. If you're pinching pennies look to ebay, and the Samsung 830 too! Ahhh, the real work still sits before you, since you need to land on 1-2 vendors, not 7!


Ah I see, this PC will strictly be for gaming + ocing, so would the pro/vector help much, I was under the imrpession that those are more for heavy duty nand like putting heavy write cycles like photo shop, or will it benefit my gaming more than the cheaper one i was planning on getting?


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:12 pm 
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fabbbyyy wrote:
Ah I see, this PC will strictly be for gaming + ocing, so would the pro/vector help much, I was under the imrpession that those are more for heavy duty nand like putting heavy write cycles like photo shop, or will it benefit my gaming more than the cheaper one i was planning on getting?

"Heavy duty" NAND flash would be an SLC SSD, but those don't exist anymore. Well, they do, if you don't mind paying as much per gigabyte as you would RAM. I had a post around hear earlier, but basically given fair share wear leveling, MLC based SSDs (which practically all still use) will last you over 233 years if you write 30GB per day on a 256GB part..


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:38 pm 
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This caliber of science needs to be wiki'zed!

LatiosXT wrote:
I'm going to try to approximate the useful life of the SSD on a naive approach. MLC flash has an average lifespan of about 10,000 P/E cycles. So for a 256GB drive, you can theoretically write about 2.56PB over its life. Average 30GB a day and you're looking at over 233 years of usable life. However, this assumes that the drive is always constantly shifting in data, which of course, is never the case.

If you choose a TLC based flash, which about 2500P/E cycles, this brings you down to 640TB, or about 53 years. Again assuming data is constantly shifted around.

So in all honesty, I don't think you have to worry. Even if you had 30GB of actual usable memory (the rest spent on data that is more or less permanent), you're looking at 6 years before 30GB poops out with TLC based flash.


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:45 pm 
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can you use smaller words, im not really understanding xD


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:51 pm 
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fabbbyyy wrote:
can you use smaller words, im not really understanding xD

The usable life for a given SSD theoretically is longer than two lifetimes.

The practical usable life for an SSD is long enough that you'll be tossing the part way before it reaches midlife.


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:53 pm 
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LatiosXT wrote:
fabbbyyy wrote:
can you use smaller words, im not really understanding xD

The usable life for a given SSD theoretically is longer than two lifetimes.


ah, I was just wondering if ssd speed mattered much in a gaming budget? i thought a faster one then the one i have (840 pro/vector) wouldn't help much unless I was more of a programmer/editor?


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:59 pm 
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also I was looking at the korean crossover 27q's off ebay but I was wondering if http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009C3M7H0/?tag=pcpapi-20 would be better? i realize im paying 2x but will i notice the difference, since these are grade A monitors, not b ones like the koreans ips 27 inchers off ebay?


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:13 pm 
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Awwk! Capitalization exists for a reason! It's a tool, use it. Capitalization is the difference between helping your uncle jack off a horse and helping your Uncle Jack off a horse.


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:15 pm 
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While the transfer speed of an SSD is nice, the real gem of it is its response time. This is why many people recommend the SSD as the system drive with storage for games a "nice to have".

The problem is that many file transfers the system makes are actually pretty small, but it tends to make a lot of them. The thing that really kills performance on any memory is making a bunch of requests (I did an experiment and posted my results at viewtopic.php?p=1315778#p1315778 ). Taking into that consideration and the fact that SSDs have basically <0.1ms response time, versus >10ms response time of a hard drive, SSDs are better suited for system drives.

If you put games on an SSD, the most it'll get you is reduced load times and less stuttering while streaming data in open world games.


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:50 pm 
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kleinkinstein wrote:
Awwk! Capitalization exists for a reason! It's a tool, use it. Capitalization is the difference between helping your uncle jack off a horse and helping your Uncle Jack off a horse.


Sir Kleinkinstein of Kingsville, I was wondering what the difference was between the Korean Crossover 27Q's off ebay and the ASUS IPS 27 incher. I understand the price is doubled, but am I paying for quality or just a brand name?


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:05 pm 
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Well, here's what you should know about these Korean panels... at least from what I hear from other places.

  • Typically they're rejects from Apple 27" displays. Apple, in their infinite anal retentive ways, want nothing more than A+++ monitors. These monitors are the A++ monitors or lower
  • While you may not get a dead pixel, considering that they're less than "perfect", you have to walk in on the assumption you may get one. Thankfully the vendors have the same return policy: 1 in the middle or 5 total around the edges (there's a 3x3 grid they usually show you)
  • There's usually no monitor ergonomic adjustment available aside from tilt.
  • Connectivity is limited to a dual-link DVI. Not like you were going to use anything else eh?
  • There's no OSD, the on screen options for adjusting the monitor. While most people probably don't touch these, if you want to make any adjustments to the color or anything else, you'll have to do it through some other means. Thankfully most video cards will have at least color adjustments for you.

So what are you really paying for? I dunno. Supposedly for better quality.

I guess as a punch to topic at hand here... As much as I want a 2560x1440 display, I don't have much use for that much real estate and I find two monitors better than one larger one for productivity. I'll take a 2560x1440 when they're available in 20" sizes ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Build 1500 budget
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:29 pm 
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fabbbyyy wrote:
I was wondering what the difference was between the Korean Crossover 27Q's off ebay and the ASUS IPS 27 incher. I understand the price is doubled, but am I paying for quality or just a brand name?


Read this, the entire thing, and then make up your mind what's the best option for you.


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