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 Post subject: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:27 pm 
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Hi all,

Well as the subject suggest I am a new builder and I have picked out my components. I was hoping that maybe some of you more experienced builders could add any input or suggestions to my build. The intent of the build is to be able to rock any game with top settings and for schoolwork with the possibility of photo and video editing. My price range is $0-$1300.

Here is my parts list so far http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ySC1

I decided to build my own as just out right buying one was way over priced. I bought a tricked out laptop about two years ago and it broke in just over a year and couldn't find any replacement parts. This is what lead me to building my own. I can get the PC I want within a reasonable price range and if anything goes south I can get new parts and fix it myself.

Thanks for any suggestions and tweaks that you may offer.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:45 pm 
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Hello! Fair warning: We're all about price/performance, and tuning the parts for the right job. So let's just go down the list...

  • Get a Core i5-3570K instead. It performs basically the same as the Core i7 in games, and you shave off $100
  • I'd look for a cheaper motherboard, you really have to ask yourself if you're going to use all the features on the more expensive ones. High-end hardware features like PCI-Express 3.0, SATA 6Gbps ports, and USB 3.0 start showing up at the $100 mark. Premium features are nice to have, but never really worth the money (for most people, anyway)
  • Drop the RAM down to 8GB. No game uses any more than 4GB. Also don't buy flashy RAM, they don't need heat spreaders no matter what manufacturers want you to think.
  • Hard drive looks good, but no SSD? Get yourself a Samsung 840
  • Drop the power supply down to 650W, unless you plan on doing SLI. And get something from Seasonic, Antec, or Corsair
  • Blu-Ray burner's aren't worthwhile to be honest. There's the fact that Blu-Ray for data isn't wide spread except for the PS3 and that it's more economical just to get an external hard drive.

And see if you can squeeze in a better GPU. The performance cap for games is usually the GPU.

EDIT: http://images.wikia.com/4changboard/ima ... ec2012.png Go with that, it's a good blue print. Note they exclude the OS.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:01 am 
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^ RACK HIM!

For a little color commentary, @ $30 snag either the Thermaltake True Spirit or Coolermaster EVO instead. Are you sure you like that case? I know, I know it's a personal "beauty in the eye of the beholder" thing, but much better options exist for that price. When you get your 3550k @ MC, take advantage of their $40 combo discount on a motherboard too. Something like the UD3, UD5H or Extreme4/6 is what you should be focused on. And four vendors ain't smart.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:01 pm 
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Hmmmm, it has been awhile and my post hasn't shown.... weird.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:01 pm 
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Well that one showed.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:45 am 
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OK we will try this again. Thank you both for the responses, they are very much appreciated.

I have made a revised list of components found here http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zxdA

Made a bunch of changes. If you don't mind a second critic I would much appreciate it. And as for the case it is just there for price as I have not nailed that down yet. Any suggestions on a good full tower case with side window would be great. Thank you for the help!


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:32 pm 
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I'd avoid full towers, unless you're filling every port and slot on the motherboard (and even then, there are quite a few Mid's that have plenty of breathing room), unless you have a burning desire to get one.

And get a Radeon HD 7970. If you prefer NVIDIA, GeForce GTX 670. The 680 isn't bad, but there are much better options.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:44 pm 
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- Yeah, nix the full tower...it's a waste of space and money.
- 750w is too much, you'll be golden with 600-650W.
- The Asus P8Z77-V LX motherboard is seriously neutered with sata ports. Hence it's price. Get a more capable board, focus on Asrock and Gigabyte for bang for the buck.
- You want dual channel memory, never get 1x8gb. Get 2x4 or 2x8 if you need. Best 1.35v dimms on the market are the Samsung Magic ram @ 2x4 and Blackline @ 2x8. Period.
- Yes, I can't say enough good performance about the 7950 or 7970 with the new drivers
- Where is the ssd? Right now newegg has the Samsung 840 120GB @ $80. Don't miss out on the single best upgrade you can make.


You could consider something $400 less, like this...

3570k | $170
AsRock Pro4-M with $40 MicroCenter bundle discount | $60
8GB Samsung MV-3V4G3D | $35
Gigabyte 7950 | $270
Barracuda 3TB | $90
Samsung 840 120GB | $80
Seasonic X650 | $90
Samsung SH-222 | $15
True Spirit 120 | $30
Silverstone PS07 | $70 or Antec VSK-3000 | $20

$860



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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:06 pm 
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Thank you again for the replies as they are opening my eyes to things. Now if you don't mind me asking where are you pulling these prices??? The CPU at Micro Center is in store only so is out of my reach. Also I can't find any bundle deal with that motherboard. I am very interested in this build so if there is any way you could point me in the right direction to purchase these components at these prices it would really make a world of difference for me. Also is that power supply going to be OK for future SLI or crossfire???


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:10 am 
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A mix between Newegg, Amazon and B&H. You can also keep tabs on TigerDirect and Mwave. Use Camel to monitor and track prices. Yup a solid 650w (hint: x650 or SS-660XP) is more than enough juice for SLI or XF. TDP's are dropping not rising and odds are you won't dual-gpu anyway. If you don't do it now, only 4% of enthusiasts do it later.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:32 am 
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As a caveat though: stick to as few vendors as possible. Remember we don't include the price of shipping, and the more vendors you buy from, the likelihood you'll be paying more for shipping goes up.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:36 am 
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Good point. A nicety is to sign up for 1 year ShopRunner account for two-directional free shipping. Use promo code RUNNER for the free membership.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:42 am 
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Wow, thank you so much for all the pointers! You both have really opened my eyes and I am sure when I hit buy you have saved me a ton of money, again thank you!


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:37 pm 
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Well it has come time to start ordering parts! I have made a revised list so if there is any last minute critics I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks.

Lol forgot the link http://pcpartpicker.com/p/CMHr


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:50 pm 
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a. A 750w psu is overkill. Get a 600-650w Gold or Platinum. You just missed the insane deal on the SS-660XP. To pinch some pennies for a real ssd, go snag this super deal on this Antec 620W @ $30. You won't find a better deal on better high wattage psu...anywhere nor anytime.
b. That Vertex3 Max Ops edition is brick city. Avoid it like the plague. Get a current gen ssd any way, like the 840 Pro or Vector.
c. I'm a big Silverstone fan, but that model not so much. There are MUCH better built and feature laden cases to spend your $100 on.
d. Where are your hdd's? Migrating over from your existing build?
e. Nice ram, best in all the land!


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:10 pm 
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I have no previous build for migrating HDD's and I figured that you made the SSD sound absolutely necessary I should get that instead. I can always add a hdd at a later date. Alright here is a new link http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DcUj


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:32 am 
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FINALLY! After waiting forever for the damn funds and packages, I have one more out for delivery right now. If all goes well I will be building my first PC tonight! This is my final build (until I can add a HDD in about two weeks) Thanks for all the help!

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/KVnm


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:04 am 
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B_Nut360 wrote:


You said you plan to add an HDD later so why get a 256GB SSD? You could save around $100 by going with a 180gb ssd. From what I hear, ssd doesn't really speed up load times for most games.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:29 am 
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phillyj wrote:
From what I hear, ssd doesn't really speed up load times for most games.

If this is from me, allow me to explain OP.

I'm going under the assumption that a lot of people think loading times mean exclusively the amount of time it takes to transfer data from secondary storage to main memory for execution. If this were the case, Windows should boot up in 15 seconds at worst on a given hard drive (100MB/s average, and I usually end up with 1.5GB of RAM used up on boot). That loading screen is also masking initialization and setup. Which explains a few scenarios such as:

  • Windows 8's fast start up. Windows 8 on shutdown saves the driver state so it doesn't have to initialize drivers on the next boot
  • Call of Duty loads laughingly fast on faster memory... because there's nothing really to initialize
  • The Elder Scrolls takes forever (comparatively) when loading a save for the first time on game execution because it hasn't started the actual game yet. Usually every subsequent load is either instantaneous or much faster.

This is also why I've been telling people to stop and think before rushing out and buying $100 worth of RAM to use as a RAM drive thinking they'll have instantaneous load times.


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie's first build
PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:44 pm 
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I do plan on getting an HDD as soon as possible but until than I have 256GB to work with which is an amazing SSD. Windows loads in about 10 seconds. Skyrim load times are waaaaaay down. I love my PC and can't wait to make it better.


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