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 Post subject: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:33 am 
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My Dell laptop (recently did a clean install to Windows 8) has a Recovery partition in addition to an OEM partition and the OS partition. The OS partition is "Primary Partition, Boot, Page File, and Crash Dump". The Recovery Partition is "Primary Partition, Active, and System".

Shouldn't the OS partition also be listed as active?

Can I safely delete the Recovery partition?


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:11 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:12 am 
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Dell did something that both made sense and does not make sense. The "Active" partition is where your boot loader is. It shouldn't be with the OS partition, because if the OS partition poops out, it makes troubleshooting harder (the boot loader also contains the recovery environment). The reason why it's in the recovery partition is because it makes the factory reset easier. Technically the recovery environment is smart enough to discover all partitions to find the system image... which is where the "doesn't make sense" part is.

So can you delete it? Yes. But you now presented yourself with two problems:
  1. You can't restore your computer. Unless you happen to have a spare Windows disk around somewhere.
  2. You'll have to fix your boot loader, which requires a bootable recovery environment or putting it into another computer which you can do all the fun stuff in command line.


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:28 am 
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LatiosXT wrote:
Dell did something that both made sense and does not make sense. The "Active" partition is where your boot loader is. It shouldn't be with the OS partition, because if the OS partition poops out, it makes troubleshooting harder (the boot loader also contains the recovery environment). The reason why it's in the recovery partition is because it makes the factory reset easier. Technically the recovery environment is smart enough to discover all partitions to find the system image... which is where the "doesn't make sense" part is.

So can you delete it? Yes. But you now presented yourself with two problems:
  1. You can't restore your computer. Unless you happen to have a spare Windows disk around somewhere.
  2. You'll have to fix your boot loader, which requires a bootable recovery environment or putting it into another computer which you can do all the fun stuff in command line.


I have a Windows 8 upgrade disk, and I also made a system recovery disk. I don't have any idea how to fix the boot loader. So I'm inclined to leave things as they are.


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:29 pm 
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Stephen wrote:
I don't have any idea how to fix the boot loader.

It's a snap.

Stephen wrote:
I'm inclined to leave things as they are.

Don't acquiesce.


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:45 pm 
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kleinkinstein wrote:
Stephen wrote:
I don't have any idea how to fix the boot loader.

It's a snap.

Stephen wrote:
I'm inclined to leave things as they are.

Don't acquiesce.


OK, so how do I fix the boot loader?


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:44 pm 
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Stephen wrote:
OK, so how do I fix the boot loader?

Did you look at the link?


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:26 pm 
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Stephen wrote:
kleinkinstein wrote:
Stephen wrote:
I don't have any idea how to fix the boot loader.

It's a snap.

Stephen wrote:
I'm inclined to leave things as they are.

Don't acquiesce.


OK, so how do I fix the boot loader?


My bad. I didn't realize it was a link.

So, is my best approach to use fixboot in the OS partition, then make it active, and then delete the recovery partition? Or is there a different command I should use?

What else is on the recovery partition that results in it being shown as "System"?


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:18 am 
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I'm still trying to figure out how to delete the recovery partition without hosing my computer.

Is my best approach to use fixboot in the OS partition, then make it active, and then delete the recovery partition? Or is there a different command I should use?

What else is on the recovery partition that results in it being shown as "System"?


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:39 pm 
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Follow this tutorial, option #2


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:48 pm 
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kleinkinstein wrote:
Follow this tutorial, option #2


Do I first use fixboot in the S partition, and then follow option 2?

What else is on the recovery partition that causes it to be shown as "system"?


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:24 pm 
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Stephen wrote:
What else is on the recovery partition that causes it to be shown as "system"?

The boot loader.


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:05 pm 
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LatiosXT wrote:
Stephen wrote:
What else is on the recovery partition that causes it to be shown as "system"?

The boot loader.


So, if I understand this, I need to move the bootloader from the recovery partition to the OS partition - or use fixxboot to create a bootloader on the OS partition. Then make the OS partition active, and then delete the recovery partition. Is that right?


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:30 pm 
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Stephen wrote:
So, if I understand this, I need to move the bootloader from the recovery partition to the OS partition - or use fixxboot to create a bootloader on the OS partition. Then make the OS partition active, and then delete the recovery partition. Is that right?

No. Do this: https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Fo ... eae63a0c4e

You do not want the boot loader on the same partition as the OS. If the OS partition goes kaput, it makes recovery a lot harder.


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:36 pm 
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LatiosXT wrote:
Stephen wrote:
So, if I understand this, I need to move the bootloader from the recovery partition to the OS partition - or use fixxboot to create a bootloader on the OS partition. Then make the OS partition active, and then delete the recovery partition. Is that right?

No. Do this: https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Fo ... eae63a0c4e

You do not want the boot loader on the same partition as the OS. If the OS partition goes kaput, it makes recovery a lot harder.


How do I do this without losing my existing OS partition?


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:52 pm 
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Alright, here's the complete list of steps to do this.

  1. Shrink the partition 100MB. You can do this in Control Panel → Administrative Tools → Computer Management → Storage → Disk Management. Otherwise use some other utility like Partition Wizard or something
  2. Open up Command Prompt as an administrator (right click on the shortcut, select "Run as Administrator")
  3. Enter in "diskpart"
  4. Enter in "list disk". Find the number of the disk the OS is on
  5. Enter in "select disk <# that OS is on>", so if it is disk 0, enter in "select disk 0"
  6. Enter in "create partition primary size=100"
  7. Enter in "list volume", find the number this new partition was assigned.
  8. Enter in "select <# partition is on>", so if it's volume 1, enter in "select partition 1"
  9. Enter in "format fs=ntfs label="System" quick"
  10. Enter in "active"
  11. Enter in "list volume". Your OS partition should have "Boot" in the info column. The system partition should have "System" in the info column


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:24 pm 
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LatiosXT wrote:
Alright, here's the complete list of steps to do this.

  1. Shrink the partition 100MB. You can do this in Control Panel → Administrative Tools → Computer Management → Storage → Disk Management. Otherwise use some other utility like Partition Wizard or something
  2. Open up Command Prompt as an administrator (right click on the shortcut, select "Run as Administrator")
  3. Enter in "diskpart"
  4. Enter in "list disk". Find the number of the disk the OS is on
  5. Enter in "select disk <# that OS is on>", so if it is disk 0, enter in "select disk 0"
  6. Enter in "create partition primary size=100"
  7. Enter in "list volume", find the number this new partition was assigned.
  8. Enter in "select <# partition is on>", so if it's volume 1, enter in "select partition 1"
  9. Enter in "format fs=ntfs label="System" quick"
  10. Enter in "active"
  11. Enter in "list volume". Your OS partition should have "Boot" in the info column. The system partition should have "System" in the info column



Thank you! One last question - does the above steps reformat the recovery partition, or do I still have to delete the recovery partition once the above steps are done.

I'm trying to make sure I do this right and not mess up my laptop.


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:03 pm 
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You still have to delete the recovery partition. In fact, you should delete it first, expand the OS partition, then shrink it.

If you delete the recovery partition and then make the system partition, you can't expand the OS partition.


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:13 pm 
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LatiosXT wrote:
You still have to delete the recovery partition. In fact, you should delete it first, expand the OS partition, then shrink it.

If you delete the recovery partition and then make the system partition, you can't expand the OS partition.


Expand the OS partition to account for the previous recovery partition space, and then shrink it by 100MB?


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 Post subject: Re: Dell REcovery partition question
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:25 pm 
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Expand the OS out to fill the rest of the empty space, then shrink it by 100MB.


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