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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:08 pm 
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The run-on sentences are starting so it's time for me to stop writing. I made my point. I just hope it was somewhat comprehend-able.
LOL...that was me last night. I had a thousand questions in my head and then the life kicked in and had to hit "post". I'm obviously over-dramatic, but ignorance does that to me.

You caught a point in the ramblings: What IF you don't get 80% to get the QRB? When you finally get 80% again do you have another shot at QRB's? I have no idea as I've always met them on commonly owned machines with prior rules. I'm getting UNSTABLE_MACHINE on my 1st dedicated folding box, it's turning in partial results, now well under 80%, and are attached to my folding name and passkey. Also, what if you had two -BA builds and one won't make the cut; Will that bring both down to it's knees since they share a passkey? I have to assume Stanford will like me again once it's up and doing work for them and will be awarded. If not, I just wasted some cash and will have to recommend people try out new rigs w/ "default" accounts.

Nah...I don't think they're that rough on us. I'm guessing that if you get back above the requirements that you're eligible again. Still curious if the entire passkey is flagged or just the box. The plan here is to build more folding servers if all turns out well and shut down the GPU folding mess I have going on. The wattage at the socket is just nuts; and the noise!? To shut all these things up and stop screaming 24/7 would mean lots of money in H20 parts. If one 2U/2P* server will fold for the cure better, then all the PC's in this home can go back to their daily uses and be much more civil. I can't imagine a home with shut down computers since 2004; but this may be the year to make that happen.

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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:34 pm 
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More build questions. I know it's Hardware or Help Me Build/Buy stuff, but it probably has more interest in here. Anyway...

At work I have a 2U space to occupy at the time. It can grow to a 3 or 4U space in time, but this space is what I have currently. If this can work in 2U, then if/when I get 4U of space I could have two of these instead of one fat rack. Cooling is of big concern as the cases I see that fit a reasonable price range rely on individual HS/F's and the case isn't drafted. Most I see out there run nekkid on a shelf or in huge cases with 212+ sinks. But given that I want to stuff it into a 2U case, would a set of TT CL-P0487'skeep it folding without issues? I mostly see loud forced-flow cases with passive sinks and have never seen others try and do this.

Antec has one 2U that's about $250, but Chinbro 4U's (which are awesome) are under $100. I don't need something fancy, but I do want it to basically work and not cause headaches. If I ditch 2U, then I bring it home for now and heat up the garage.

Which brings up another set of questions if she comes home. Server rack searches are mind numbing as I don't need the corporate style get-up. All I want is the front/face rails to mount the chassis and aim to build it under my workbench if need be. Drawer slides would be nice, but I'm not sure if I can redneck that as well as I think I can. There's got to be something low dollar out there that I'm missing. If $250 is the price for a 2U enclosure and racks to put them in are $500; I see why most run nekkid! Time to break out the TiG and re-invent the wheel?


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:43 pm 
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Chumly wrote:
I'm guessing that if you get back above the requirements that you're eligible again. Still curious if the entire passkey is flagged or just the box.

Part #1 - I've not read about anyone having the experience, but I interpret it the same as you do; back above 80% and bonuses kick in again.

Part #2 - The passkey is what has to be qualified and you can use multiple boxes to do that. So the passkey gets flagged and affects all clients running that key.


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
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There's got to be something low dollar out there that I'm missing. If $250 is the price for a 2U enclosure and racks to put them in are $500; I see why most run nekkid! Time to break out the TiG and re-invent the wheel?

Or the K'nex.
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In honor of Tedster, long time no post :(


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:17 pm 
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chumly, Frys has all that shit too. and if you get up to the bay area "weird stuff" has racks for 75 bucks


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
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can't wait till I move to DC and be close to microcenter... always hate how they get really good B&M only sales.


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:47 pm 
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Would something like this work or is it still not the right form factor? Sorry for my ignorance here.


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:58 pm 
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magnumsrule wrote:

What were you trying to answer?


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:03 am 
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JBaz wrote:
magnumsrule wrote:

What were you trying to answer?

This:
Chumly wrote:
There's got to be something low dollar out there that I'm missing. If $250 is the price for a 2U enclosure and racks to put them in are $500; I see why most run nekkid! Time to break out the TiG and re-invent the wheel?


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:23 pm 
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yeah, I thought he was going back to that, but it seems odd considering that's a custom SR2 mobo tray for a custom build case from mountain mods... and there you are still talking about $80 for the tray plus 300+ for the custom case.

It still would be a moot point if chumly wants a 2u build for his work space. Otherwise, I would be more inclined to go with a cheap E-ATX case and tap holes for the custom mobo size that a lot of people are doing for 2P or 4P builds on Hard OCP. Shoot, a 932 or haf x case should be large enough to run them if you mod the cases for the mobo holes. If he was going to keep it at home. (or just run it naked... hehe)

For the life out of me, I can't find any of those threads on hard ocp! I know someone here linked it last week to those case build thread ideas.


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
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For the life out of me, I can't find any of those threads on hard ocp! I know someone here linked it last week to those case build thread ideas.[/quote]
Try http://hardforum.com//showthread.php?t=1652906


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:41 pm 
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^thank you sir, I've been trying to search for it for the past two days.


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:05 pm 
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For the life out of me, I can't find any of those threads on hard ocp! I know someone here linked it last week to those case build thread ideas.

Try http://hardforum.com//showthread.php?t=1652906[/quote]

Thanks for the link, I will be reading this more carefully later.


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:40 am 
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I've been on night shifts and have been reading the crap out of 2/4P build threads and the F@H support forums. I'm s bit more relaxed now. I may be hosed by going for a 2P 24-core Xeon, but not for a while at least. It seems the 16-core restriction is simply made to bump any thought of a desktop doing these WU's. I can fully understand because the server shouldn't have to guess what to hand out based upon the PC's performance and simply making it "16 core" rules a large percentage of them out. It may bump up to 20 by the end of the year if a lot of 8x2 core SR-2 users don't meet deadlines down the road, that's just speculation, and a 12x2 would still fit in the box if it even goes to 24.

I've been getting Unstable machine, but I've also been getting 6000 WU's which seem to plague a lot of folks. Got a 6002 this morning, running about 12m frames at stock clocks and look to meet deadlines. I'm guessing it's right around 78-80Kppd at this early stage and pretty much justifies my virgin attempts at a folding-only 2P build. Two 16x Opties in a SuperMicro would be better, but I didn't have one :p
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Still curious if the entire passkey is flagged or just the box.
Part #2 - The passkey is what has to be qualified and you can use multiple boxes to do that. So the passkey gets flagged and affects all clients running that key.
Yeah, I seen that while digging through the F@H troubleshooting forums too
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Chumly wrote:
There's got to be something low dollar out there that I'm missing. If $250 is the price for a 2U enclosure and racks to put them in are $500; I see why most run nekkid! Time to break out the TiG and re-invent the wheel?
Or the K'nex In honor of Tedster, long time no post :(
It's crossed my mind, with Tedster's post in mind actually. Yeah, long time, no post
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chumly, Frys has all that shit too. and if you get up to the bay area "weird stuff" has racks for 75 bucks
Yeah, I found the small section at Frys. For two 4' rack fronts they wanted just under $100. I'm probably using the wrong name for these, but they're just the part that you screw drawer's face to once it's slid back in. To get drawer slides they're about $26 per slot. I think I'm going to just make the "fronts" and go for the slides in a framed up wooden frame.

I think I'm bringing it home because of the 2U restriction at work. I found a couple 3/4U slots, but it's high visibility currently since that project is under scrutiny as well where the 2U slot isn't.


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:41 pm 
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Speaking of Tedster i know he is rocking a dual proc rig now. A guy on the EVGA forums lent out a few procs to people who would fold with them so he just bought the mobo and such to run them.

Something I would suggest to keep in mind is that the SR-X mobo is coming out anytime now so buying an SR-2 at this point might not be a good decision. Then again you would have to buy into the more expensive 2011 server procs.


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:57 pm 
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excuse my ignorance, but how do you find out how much bonus points you are getting if you are using a passkey? I remember seeing the bonus points listed in v7, but I'm using FAH gpu tracker v2 for both smp and gpu.


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 Post subject: Re: 2P folding questions
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I believe here.


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