Maximum PC

I see TSC Russia will be passing us within the next week or so. Ill take this opportunity to congratulate them on this huge accomplishment and their continued dedication to the cause!

This is also a goodby as we are now going to fall out of the top 5 teams in the world.

Congrats to the TSC Russia crew! Hooray for folding!

I started folding here and I'll continue to fold here, regardless of our ranking.

Congrats and good folding!

kudos, when you pass the best then take the rest.

They must really have the hammer down. Are these teams taking on more GPU folding points? I know now that bigadvs are gone that's going to be where the money is... multi gpu folding.

Congrats to TSC Russia!

you know multi GPU has been the up and coming for sometime now
I came to the same conclusion a year ago when I saw my ppd drop when
I ran cpu folding and my gpu, but I did the math and came up with
almost 100% of the combined cpu/gpu with the gpu ONLY
why waste the power and tax the cpu when you dont need to.

It really depends on how you look at it. To me cpus were more cost effective for quite some time. They produced huge numbers and had lower power requirements than an equivalent gpu. In some cases they even cost less. IE getting a cheap 920 system folding 20k ppd+ for less than a GTX 580, and using less power. Myself I have been more of a gpu folder. Less problems overall and more redundancy however with bigadv I got way more points for the money outlay than with my gpus in the same system.

Congratulations to our Russian Folding Friends! By the way, when we depart from the top 5 teams in the world, it is likely I will be removed from the Pande Group DAB as the reps are only from those top 5 teams.

Wow doc, you're full of good news lately. Aren't you still one of the top 20 in the world? (Yes, 17... I know. Averaging a quarter million points a day... over 100k by 10am my time... and nearly 300 million points total)

With the generosity you have demonstrated and your determination to see the program succeed I'd hope that it wouldn't just be a "Okay, you're out... Welcome TSC Russia!"

I'm not a fan of that. Not one bit. You have given too much to this program to get punted just because we were overtaken by another great team.

seems odd they are only having 5 people offer input and output information to their teams. are the top 5 the only ones that are "good enough". perhaps they should base it on active users on a team, to a representative for every team with 100 or 200 active users, it is not that many more people but it would surely represent alot more of the "active" users. if it were a rep from all teams with 200 active users, there would only be 20 reps. if it were at 100 active users, there would only be 40.

I agree.

MPC was at one point one of the top five teams in the standings. The reps should not be removed based on their team falling in the standings, especially when the production isn't that bad. Unfortunately, my opinion doesn't matter and it is starting to feel that way with Folding in general.

How about instead extending the rep opportunity to the teams that have over a certain number of active folders or ppd. This DAB reeks of poor implementation and thought.



But not to discredit TSC! Russia. Awesome folding!

Up and coming? Multi GPU was the crowned king before the -bigadv came along to take the crown. GPU and SMP will continue to revolve around each other until something else comes along to replace them entirely, as do the seasons, or the phases of the moon.

Thanks for the kind words, Eno. GM, I think you have a good idea, in fact it was noted by one of the other team's DAB reps that Max PC has lots more active users than a more productive team and he hoped I wasn't kicked but allowed to stay and TSC! Russia just added. My feeling is that VJ will remove me because that what the rules are and I have absolutely no hard feelings at all about that. The rules could be changed, of course, and gm has a good thought on it. For me to suggest it now would likely be seen as sour grapes and that is not accurate at all so I don't want it coming from me. But PG could change the rules if people lobbied the other DAB reps for a representation based on active users, which seems like a good idea. I think part of the thinking originally was to keep the size of the DAB manageable as VJ likes input from all/certainly most before a decision is made and a smaller size group is easier to deal with and top 5 groups do represent a good cross section.

And although multi-CPU is the flavor of the month....as was mentioned above...do NOT rule out the power and potential pointage of multi-GPU in the future. For example, what could happen in a large-slot, multi-GPU setup running SLI/Crossfire and then if a QRB (quick return bonus) was implemented for GPU WUs as they are for CPU WUs? Especially if those large streaming (>600 threads) ATI monsters were better harnessed for their full folding potential with a better client or drivers or whatever? The future always looks bright for the improvement of folding...look how far we have come. Stay tuned and diversified.

feel free to forward my post in its entirety, it does not mention you in the post and is only a comment on the way they choose reps.

To stretch the scenario a bit (not projected to happen for another 11 years), but if awachs hits the Top 5, a team of 1 would have representation while a team of hundreds does not? A power donor such as him should be able to be heard, but I'm pretty sure he could have lunch with VJ now if he wanted, and he (his team) is only ranked 29th.

For the DAB to appeal to the masses, the masses need to feel they have a voice. Problem is, even if you took the Top 10 teams in # of members, you still only have representation for about 0.4% of Stanford's recognized donors. Additionally, a previously discredited team such as the quietly resurrected Team FTL would suddenly have someone on the DAB. Not saying that is wrong, but I'm not sure it is right when you understand the dynamics of how they achieved their membership.

With the Top 5, you have teams that have been around a while, have had numerous members, and have been the most productive for F@H. That seems to be a nice mix of qualifications. Perhaps a grandfathering of DAB representation could be adopted. With the current projections, it would be another decade before any other members would become grandfathered due to being overtaken in the Top 5. That doesn't seem like too much upheaval.

I want to know if anonymous or I guess it's default now, has a member on the board, if not then the method for choosing reps is flawed. and Panda Lab should be excluded from the board since their team is only number 19, far from the top 5.

EDIT: Only 1.6 est hours until we are overtaken.

It happened.