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So, I bought a new EVGA GTX 570 HD and a couple of days in, I'm already having artifact problems. After extensive research, it seems that they don't even know what's causing this to happen. It's happening to all the high end EVGA cards, not sure if others have the same problem. I've done everything except RMA the card, but I think I'll just return the card to Frys and switch it to something ATI equivalent. Which card should I get? Paid $350 total after taxes for my EVGA GTX 570 and Im going to exchange it for an ATI card around the same price range. Hopefully the performance is equal, too?

The equivalents in price are not as good for gaming as long as you want 3d or Batman Arkham City/Asylum or BF3. I can probably think of a few things you haven't tried. Have you tried overclocking it? It sounds counter-intuitive, but there may be a stable clock just a little bit up (or down) from your current clock.
How's cooling in the case? If it's too hot, it may have problems.

The thing is, this card is only a couple days old. It was working PERFECT til this morning.

RMA it. You got the one lemon in a thousand. They owe you a new card.

Took it back to Fry's and got a replacement of the same exact one. So far, so good.

Honestly, this is not an isolated problem. There are lots of threads about this on the nvidia forum. Ive also been having this problem with a GTX460 for the last 10 months or so. So far there is no resolution for this, it happens with many different version of drivers and GTX cards.

Some threads are here for those who are interested:

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?show ... try1296365

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=209372

Ive RMA'd my card 2X, tried many different suggestions Ive found on different forums. Nothing has worked. Im about to move to an ATI card myself...

I'm not really affected. My 520 does this on XP, but not on win7 or any of the Linux distros I use.

The OP is having artifacts, you have a driver problem. Drop to the 275.33 drivers or the latest 285.62 drivers. There are some issues with downclocking which the 275.XX do not have. The 285.62 drivers are suppose to lessen the detection rate so it does fix it for some.



@Koopsta Knicca If your still here, what are your full system specs?

Nah, I get the artifacts too. Then the screen freezes, goes blank, then I get the timeout message

Take a look at the links I posted earlier, you'll see many people having this problem on many versions of drivers, including 275.33. Most of us have tried drivers down to 260.xx with no relief. I say most, but different versions seem to work for some people.....strange. I agree its a problem with the drivers.

Artifacts, in your case, are being caused by unstable clocking. The OP may not be having the same problems.

They already have another driver out, 285.79 Beta drivers. I haven't had a timeout yet. [Coming up on 24 hours]

Interesting thread. I decided to make the switch full-time (on my desktop at least) when AMD released their 4000 series GPU's. In 15 years, I've never been disappointed by ATI/AMD cards, although the early years did present some driver challenges. Nvidia took a hit when Intel declined to let them in on the DMI party. Their subsequent decision to get out of the chipset business altogether was a direct result of that indignity. On the PC side of the world, Nvidia is nothing more than a reference GPU chip designer these days. Their recent focus has been on the mobile market. AMD on the other hand provides a more complete PC platform. CPU/APU(s), chipsets, GPUs...well, besides the RAM that's essentially the entire system...

@nog... this is a BS statement: "The equivalents in price are not as good for gaming..." Nobody plays one game forever, and certainly not over the life of a system. The truth is that equivalent Radeon and Fermi solutions tend to split bench results. Some games run better on Nvidia's smaller, faster arrays, and some flourish when run on AMD's larger, slower, processing arrays. Personally (and this is just a personal opinion), history leads me to believe that the larger GPU array has more long term viability than a smaller, overclocked solution.

The truth is that the Radeon line is a well rounded alternative to Nvidia offerings. High end cards tend to run more efficiently than Nvidia alternatives; consuming less power, and thus generating less heat. In most cases, a larger frame buffer is also offered for the same price, thus insuring the long term viability of the part (provided that no forthcoming DX update comes along to make all parts obsolete).

Driver support on AMD devices these days is as good as, if not better than, competing parts. Case in point, they had a Rage patch available before I even got the game, and the 11.xx suite averages an update every month.

We'll just agree to disagree on game support. 99% of the games I own don't even support AMD cards.

me, I will just agree to disagree with everything he tried to stick down my throat, i have used both for a good number of years, and prefer the nvidia cards for personal use. ati has solutions for certain problems that nvidia shys away from (hardware solutions, multiple monitor support for one) but their software and drivers still suck. nvidia had a special driver for rage as well. the problem would seem to be with the game not the video card makers drivers if both had to craft drivers just for this game.

Roger ranger...please give me an example of AMD's current drivers and software sucking? Apparently I'm not using the same software as everyone else. All of my laptops run nvidia solutions, so it's not like I don't have a driver base to compare to. I really don't see any advantage to either solution from a software point of view (except AMD's inclusion of Eyefinity which you already mentioned). That would be why most of my post was in regard to the hardware side of the equation, and software coded to take advantage of massively parallel arrays runs much better on AMD hardware. Take Bitcoin for example, it's not even a contest...

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-C ... nce-Dollar

Conversely, even after nvidia opened the PhysX SDK following their acquisition of Ageia, PhysX processing itself still tends to prefer nvidia GPU's. So my point remains, from a hardware perspective some software/games is/are better suited to run on AMD solutions, and some to nvidia, but I don't think you can really go wrong with either choice.

Personally, my area is small, so my main rig is a mini-itx with a 450W Silverstone PSU. The case itself had to be modded to accommodate a Corsair H50 and Radeon 5830HD. There is no room for a larger PSU. For me AMD was the choice due to the lower power consumption. A difference of 50W+ between comparable cards is a bigger deal to me than it is to someone who has the space to run a 750W or larger PSU.

And nog, to say that 99% of the games you own aren't supported by AMD cards is just more BS...unless of course you are including your board games, in which case it's true. There is no hardware acceleration in Monopoly...

Maybe I have low standards, but before anyone bashes either AMD or Nvidia, perhaps it's worth looking at from a different perspective. I had the misfortune of using cards from Matrox, 3dfx (Voodoo), and Intel when I was growing up. If you really want to talk about sucking, you need look no further than any of those solutions to spark a conversation. Even though there's essentially only two main players left in the game, we really do have it pretty good these days.

I *AM* looking at it from the Previous Intel User standpoint.


AoE 1: no support, though it still works.
Moria: No support, and I have to run it on a VM on the one PC I have running an AMD card.
Now for something a bit more modern:
Portal: Crashes constantly, even with the latest drivers and updates.
Portal 2: Let's not even go there.
Linux (Debian): No open-source support, and the proprietary drivers give stuttering and clocking problems.

You're not old enough to have owned an Intel discreet video card. Consider yourself lucky for that.

If that's 99% of the games you own, you really should branch out into other titles.

Older games have issues with all sorts of software, it's not AMD exclusive.

Now then, are these legal copies of Portal and Portal 2? I've played both on my system with no problem at all, but cracked versions of any game can be prone to crashing. As I've advised many others over the years, if you have issues that you believe originate with the video solution, the best course of action is a complete uninstall of the entire driver suite. A registry cleaning followed by a clean install of the newest drivers can work wonders. Also take into account the fact that it is equally, if not even more so, likely that your problem could be with Steam itself. Have you ever tried using a different AV or firewall? Have you had problems with any other Steam games? It's also worth noting that AMD's drivers aren't the only ones installed that could be causing conflict. What are the rest of your specs?

No open source support is not the fault of the company. They have made the SDK's available. Can't comment on the proprietary drivers. Haven't used a Linux distro since I went back to school.

You guys remember when nVidia released the drivers that totally burned some of their cards? Not that long ago so you guys should.

They also got sued by notebook vendors for faulty graphics chips a couple years ago, and Optimus was garbage when it was first released. Also fairly notable missteps.

Yea, I was super lucky that my 9600GT M wasn't one of them.