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 Post subject: Re: Clear Intel bias and misuse of the word budget
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:30 am 
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They don't finish them quick enough apparently. From what I know, they make deadlines, but Stanford wants them back as fast as possible. Even now you need an OC'ed i7 to satisfy them.


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 Post subject: Re: Clear Intel bias and misuse of the word budget
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:00 pm 
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That's just stupid. If they want a WU back in X time, they should make the deadline X. Putting the deadline at Y and then recommending that you don't use a CPU that returns the WU within Y but not X is .. asinine.

In my ever-so-humble opinion. :P


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 Post subject: Re: Clear Intel bias and misuse of the word budget
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:05 pm 
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what it is is that you need 8 threads to run -bigadv. i7's have them. you need to fake it with a phenom ii x6. At one point it was a hack to the client, then a VM set for 8 threads and WINE.





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 Post subject: Re: Clear Intel bias and misuse of the word budget
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:07 pm 
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Ah! That makes more sense to me ... thanks for the clarification, Tedster.


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 Post subject: Re: Clear Intel bias and misuse of the word budget
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:08 pm 
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you're welcome :D

now back to the topic.

I remember the first issue of MPC i got (was one of the specials (I think fall 2005; it had a 7800 GTX on the front)), there was almost no mention of Intel processors. it was AMD AMD AMD. and Nvidia, since they were on top at that time. the $1250 build had an AMD proc in it also.





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 Post subject: Re: Clear Intel bias and misuse of the word budget
PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:52 pm 
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It occurs to me that some basic numbers for the last-last gen Phenom x4 CPU's has not yet been mentioned.
(Plus, Jip PM'd me which I wasn't expecting at all, so this warrants some response :P ).
My Phenom x4 9850 BE 2.5ghz (at a very stable 3.1ghz - 15.5x200, 1.329v) will make:


|<Last Edited for New WU Data On: 1-13-2011>|

p6701 - Min. Time / Frame : 00:18:19 - 3250.71 PPD
p6041 - Min. Time / Frame : 00:26:10 - 3441.20 PPD
p6025 - Min. Time / Frame : 00:08:31 - 3507.30 PPD
p6050 - Min. Time / Frame : 00:08:27 - 3789.60 PPD
p6053 - Min. Time / Frame : 00:08:19 - 3884.87 PPD
p6073 - Min. Time / Frame : 00:08:10 - 3998.90 PPD
p6052 - Min. Time / Frame : 00:08:03 - 4068.90 PPD
p6067 - Min. Time / Frame : 00:07:58 - 4140.90 PPD
p6059 - Min. Time / Frame : 00:07:55 - 4159.90 PPD
p6066 - Min. Time / Frame : 00:07:52 - 4228.52 PPD
p6056 - Min. Time / Frame : 00:07:52 - 4268.70 PPD :shock:
(also compiled from HFM)
(about 3200~4500 on a stable 3.2ghz, still tweaking)

I hope you don't mind that I copied your format, Chaosdsm. I apologize for not having more data, but it took a lot of tinkering to finally get my proc to fold without crashing due to what I now know was an under-voltage (it was at 1.25v, now 1.329v), and also for the ram - Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066 @ 2.2v - to have it's way with my board as well.

Additional Elderly AMD OC Info SPOILERIZED:
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However, you wouldn't want to run SMP on the Phenom x4 at these speeds with a wimpy cooler. My Hyper212 is barely cutting it and the proc is getting into the high 50's (though Speedfan will report the high 60's almost the instant that SMP starts to tax all four cores, the system would not remain stable at those temps if they were being reported correctly).

In an interesting twist, while my new Foxconn Destroyer has a lot more fine-grain control over RAM timings, voltages, and other things, I was able to achieve a higher stable overclock of the same proc on an Asus motherboard with no voltage changes. (15.5x200, 1.25v). It should be noted that the older Phenoms (AM2+) do not like to have the bClock changed whatsoever. Even just a little nudge to 10mhz over the 200mhz default would produce a BSOD.

Hope this helps those OC'ing older AMD chips out there, and hope it's not too much to swallow.
I will have more HFM data later as it comes in (Saying, of corpse, that my chip stays stable and cool. I plan to see what a Zalman 7700CU will do in addition to it's ability to cool my v-regs. Another ful tear-down: meh).

The Foxconn Destroyer on Overclockers.net can be found HERE.
(Yes, I am a member, no I won't ever fold for them :D ).


NOTE: I am going to upgrade to a Phenom II x4 965 Black Edition which I hope to get as high as 3.6~3.8ghz on my Hyper212 Plus. When this happens, I will no longer have this elderly 9850 BE, but will post the PPD / Frame Time / Core info for the 965 BE instead. I will also post operating temps, ambient temps and idle temps.

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 Post subject: Re: Clear Intel bias and misuse of the word budget
PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:47 am 
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Tedster wrote:
you're welcome :D

now back to the topic.

I remember the first issue of MPC i got (was one of the specials (I think fall 2005; it had a 7800 GTX on the front)), there was almost no mention of Intel processors. it was AMD AMD AMD. and Nvidia, since they were on top at that time. the $1250 build had an AMD proc in it also.





Ted


Make the gpu a 7900 and my computer was a perfect example of that AMD superiority with its Athlon X2 64 bit. I am so GLAD that I didn't listen to the people who were telling me that I should be using a single core. Made my computer able to keep up to speed without feeling particularly slow for ages. Pretty soon I'll make my next dig into the computer market to build a computer that will probably last for me for the next 6 years again.


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 Post subject: Re: Clear Intel bias and misuse of the word budget
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Dwood15 wrote:
Tedster wrote:
you're welcome :D

now back to the topic.

I remember the first issue of MPC i got (was one of the specials (I think fall 2005; it had a 7800 GTX on the front)), there was almost no mention of Intel processors. it was AMD AMD AMD. and Nvidia, since they were on top at that time. the $1250 build had an AMD proc in it also.





Ted


Make the gpu a 7900 and my computer was a perfect example of that AMD superiority with its Athlon X2 64 bit. I am so GLAD that I didn't listen to the people who were telling me that I should be using a single core. Made my computer able to keep up to speed without feeling particularly slow for ages. Pretty soon I'll make my next dig into the computer market to build a computer that will probably last for me for the next 6 years again.



Ditto: Athlon X2 4400+ but with a 6900 Ultra, built less than a month after the 4400+ was released, the RAM & GPU have been upgraded since, but it's still a capable gamer, even with a lowly 9800GT. Only reason I did a new build recently is for 720p / 1080i video editing which is painfully slow on the dual core & about 12x faster on the 6-core Phenom.


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 Post subject: Re: Clear Intel bias and misuse of the word budget
PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:05 pm 
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I recently built a new workstation at my job to replace a non-HT Pentium 4 rig I had been running a dual screen on before. The new rig uses the Athlon 64 X2 4400+, Asus M2N-MX SE Plus, 3gb of Kingston DDR2 800 and an EVGA Geforce 8400 GS. I have yet to overclock it, but then it will need to be very stable and long-lived because it is a work machine. The real shame is, a few months ago we had an Athlon 64 X2 7850 Black Edition which I could have snapped up and used for the build.

*Kicks Himself* :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Clear Intel bias and misuse of the word budget
PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:35 am 
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Looks like TS bought himself a AMD X6 thinking it will be the best and MaxPC will agree with his decision.
Instead MaxPC went the other direction as it's true AMD cpu currently are not king when it comes to performance, so he
going throwing a tantrum like a 3 year old.
Like seriously, he can go and subscribe to another magazine or grow up. :|


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 Post subject: Re: Clear Intel bias and misuse of the word budget
PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:41 am 
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I can't disagree. :)

I will, however, lock this thread. I think that the discussion has run its course and there is no need to continue to kick someone when he is down.


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