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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 8:19 pm 
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This was a popular game this weekend at the LAN party I hosted. There were alot of diff computer types there, and just about all of them were able to play it. Pretty much everyone had atleast 512mb of RAM, I think the slowest vid card we had there was the FX5200, he was able to play on Ultra too. If i remember, it jumped a little, so that doesnt count. I can play mine on Ultra (9600xt), skips for a second when monster jumps out. Ive got it at 1024x768, AA off, High Settings. Runs perfect. Great game, i dont think your computer needs to be as beefy as everyone expected. Hope everyone is havin fun with it, scarin the crap outta me : ) Now back to hell...


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Just remember, if you set it to ultra but your system cant actually handle all the textures, etc, it scales back (ie uses compressed textures, etc) to a certain extent.


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Just for everyone's info, Tom's Hardware ran DoomIII through a variety of graphic cards, NVIDIA clearly came out on top:

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphi ... index.html

I remember a time where ID showed Doom on a pre-release ATI board (was it the 9700 back then?) and said something to the effect that NVIDIA's hardware just wasn't up to snuff. My, how times change.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:17 pm 
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#6

note that's without the improved Catalyst 4.9 drivers...

those drivers can give a boost of 5-10% or more.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:18 pm 
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Which is irrelevant in this case, since it's not enough to even the field, let alone surpass nVidia's offerings...


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:55 pm 
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Let's take that to task...

if all of ATI benchmarks were boosted by 10%

in the top ATI vs top NVidia tests, ATI would still lose:
1600x1200/32 HighQ NoAA by 4fps
1280x1024/32 HighQ 4xAA by 1fps
1600x1200/32 HighQ 4xAA by 2fps

If all of ATI's benchmarks were boosted by 15%

The ATI cards would top every enthusiest benchmark, and nearly all of the mainstream ones


Seems like it matters...


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:24 pm 
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Ifs and theories are not good enough for me... linkage to reputable sources showing 15% boost in all resolutions plz or sit.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:41 pm 
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Found em


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:04 pm 
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Here you go!

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2146

Top-end cards get a 4-8% gain without 4xAA, but a 15-20% boost on the X800 XTPE with Anti-Aliasing.

However the especially astute will discover something interesting.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:35 am 
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Karl,

What I noticed was that 1280x1024 tests were completely omitted, which is kinda stupid since that's the lowest resolution MOST people with these high-end card are going to run. It's also the native resolution for most LCDs owned by gamers.

As far as I'm concerned, the tests for 1024x768 are useful only when comparing mid-range cards, not the X800 XT PE. So really you should only be factoring in the 15% boost.

The GeForce 6800 Ultra Extreme was benched at 460MHz, but it had artifacts which got worse as testing progressed. They received a 450MHz one (NVIDIA's suggested clock for a 6800UE) which was stable, so you can subtract 2% from the GF 6800UE scores to get a more accurate result. It still smacks the X800 XT PE.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:23 am 
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True, but I was referring to this little thing

Karl the Pagan wrote:
note that's without the improved Catalyst 4.9 drivers...


:oops: heh, in fact the tom's tests did use the Catalyst 4.9 drivers.

While the new Cat drivers do help as I claimed... it indeed seems that ATI got their ass whopped this time. The Geforce 6800 GT (at $350-$400 froogle) performs equal or better than the X800 XT Platinum (at $500-$550 froogle).

After one 15% frame rate boost I'll admit it seems unlikely that ATI could squeeze out another 15% boost it would take to beat the equally priced NV card.


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Number Six wrote:

I remember a time where ID showed Doom on a pre-release ATI board (was it the 9700 back then?) and said something to the effect that NVIDIA's hardware just wasn't up to snuff. My, how times change.


i would suggest that both Nvidia and ATI get there high end cards out in numbers. I still see many vendors with eta on these cards (6800gt, x800 pro and above)

despite nvidias apparent advantage in doom3, they are struggling

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/archive ... %3Darchive


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